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150 years later, Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence still stirs deep emotions – on both sides
The Wichita Eagle ^ | 08/21/2013 | Beccy Tanner

Posted on 08/21/2013 5:21:08 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: Venturer
Sherman's order on foraging in Georgia was much more civilized and humane than Quantrill's order to kill anybody old enough to carry a gun.

The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten days' provisions for his command, and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass; but, during a halt or camp, they may be permitted to gather turnips, potatoes, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock in sight of their camp. To regular foraging-parties must be intrusted the gathering of provisions and forage, at any distance from the road traveled.

21 posted on 08/21/2013 6:23:43 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Mercat
There are three topics you should never start me on, because I don't know when to shut up.
  1. Classical music.
  2. Railroads.
  3. American history between the Revolution and the Civil War.

22 posted on 08/21/2013 6:24:16 PM PDT by Publius (And so, night falls on civilization.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Yes, and Hitler thought the Japanese were cruel in their occupation of China....


23 posted on 08/21/2013 6:27:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

For what it’s worth, Quantrill was a Yankee. Born and raised in Dover, Ohio. He moved out west and embraced the Southern cause as the Civil War approached. All that said, I suspect both he and Bloody Bill would be in straitjackets were they alive today.


24 posted on 08/21/2013 6:32:55 PM PDT by MadeInOhio
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To: central_va

War is hell. But Rapes of Nanking and burnings of Lawrence go beyond Sherman’s march in Georgia and Lee’s invasion of Pennsylvania. And certainly there were also atrocities committed by Unionist guerrillas also in contested lands.


25 posted on 08/21/2013 6:34:42 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Venturer
No sense in going on about poor sherman, after all the man earned his ticket to hell fair and square for what he did to my state.
26 posted on 08/21/2013 6:35:59 PM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Kid Shelleen

When I was in college there was another student who confessed that his family had changed their name to hide the fact that they were closely related to Quantrill. I scoffed at the notion that there would after more than 100 years, be
revenge sought. He assured me that there was.

Now, in looking back almost 40 years I have to agree with him. Some pain takes a very long time to be forgotten.


27 posted on 08/21/2013 6:36:11 PM PDT by Klondike
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

According the the Lincoln Coven Sherman’s men were on a “hearts and mind” mission to curry southern favor. They passed out chocolate wherever they went and help old ladies with their chores. The slaves well they educated them and freed them.


28 posted on 08/21/2013 6:38:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

Sherman liberated Georgia from the Confederates. The Georgia secession was fraudulent in the first place, accomplished contrary to the will of the people by means of dirty political and electoral tricks that would make a Chicago Democrat proud.


29 posted on 08/21/2013 6:40:45 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Do you want to add sarcasm tags to your last post?


30 posted on 08/21/2013 6:41:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Klondike

I don’t doubt your story or your buddies concern. I’ve learned that some folks truly hold a grudge beyond the grave.


31 posted on 08/21/2013 6:43:59 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Point of view.

No use in arguing, one was as bad as the other.

We all know that order just set ground rules that were often not obeyed.


32 posted on 08/21/2013 6:47:18 PM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: central_va
Just like the song “Marching Through Georgia” said, there were white people in Georgia who welcomed Sherman’s army as heroes and liberators. A lot of ordinary working Southerners realized they had more in common with the Yankee farm boys than the stay at home plantation class who agitated for war and then got even richer growing cotton with slave labor while the rebel soldiers and their families starved.
33 posted on 08/21/2013 6:48:23 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Kid Shelleen
As a matter of fact, I have this movie (which is loosely based on this incident) queued up on my Amazon Prime instant video stream.


34 posted on 08/21/2013 6:49:13 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Kid Shelleen

We lost a great great great great grandfather in the border war. They took him off on a horse and the family never saw him again. This happened in South Missouri. My fathers family never wanted us to live in Kansas to this day. Not that I am tempted. Blech


35 posted on 08/21/2013 6:49:43 PM PDT by ladyellen
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To: Kid Shelleen
Something that drives me up a wall, living in the metro KC area, there's a lot of interest in any Missou/JayHawks football or basketball game. I don't really care about that, but there are advertisements, and all these idiots going on about "the border war!"

If these morons really had any any idea of how brutal and bloody that border war was, they'd shut the hell up. Examples like the attacks on Osceola and Lawrence would shut them up if they had a clue.

Mark

36 posted on 08/21/2013 6:49:58 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: RightGeek
those remaining drilled with guns, which were stored at the town’s armory.

That stuck out like a sore thumb at me as well.

Dumb move. Arms that you can't reach are useless.

37 posted on 08/21/2013 6:50:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Endowed by their Creator,' not by men.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Regardless of the scumbag redlegs

His men should not have slain innocents to make point

Goes for either side


38 posted on 08/21/2013 6:51:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Classic.


39 posted on 08/21/2013 6:53:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mercat

Mr. Mercat grew up in Lawrence. I went to KU...”

Ah, the waving wheat and home of Rock Chock. My son graduated from KU. When I was in high school a group of us from KC went to KU and visited the Bell Tower. Turned around and could see nothing - I had run smack dab into Wilt Chamberlain and my nose was about level with his belly button. Interesting encounter.

Great history your family has.


40 posted on 08/21/2013 6:53:31 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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