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Mom-to-be shocked when miscarriage called ‘abortion’ in medical records
Fox ^ | July 7, 2013 | Meghan Dwyer

Posted on 07/08/2013 9:16:54 PM PDT by SovereignVA

MILWAUKEE (WITI) — More and more of your medical records are being made available online. But do you know what’s in those records? Do you understand what your doctors mean when they use certain terms? This FOX6 investigation could help you in the future.

In 2009, Andrea Christian lost a child. ”I did at one point see the heartbeat and then you don`t see it,” she remembers.

“It hits you all at once.”

She recently changed doctors and requested her medical records. She couldn’t believe what she read.

“I just felt like they had ignored that I had lost a child,” Christian says.

The doctor had called her miscarriage an abortion.

“I’ve had a lot of stress just thinking about this,” Christian explains. ”That’s not what happened to me. I did not have an abortion. I had a miscarriage.”

She tried to get her records changed, but the hospital refused, writing her a letter. It said “health professionals use the terms miscarriage and abortion synonymously.”

Medical professionals say sometimes the word “spontaneous” will be written before the word “abortion” to indicate a miscarriage. The words “elective abortion” mean a patient chose the surgical procedure.

(Excerpt) Read more at fox6now.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: medicalterminology; miscarriage; prolife
Had an argument with my brother recently in which I asserted that pro-lifers should never use the word "abortion" when referring to a miscarriage. Euphemisms are powerful things.

I find the article's commentary on the apparent callousness of accepted medical terminology interesting, particularly:

"...in some cases, doctors say they are now being more careful about what they put in your chart, to avoid hurt feelings caused by medical terminology."

This can be taken any number of ways. It's a bad idea to put anything in a chart that someone could be offended over in a courtroom, or the court of public opinion - online (fabricated or not) reviews. There's ways of getting around formal chart entries, such as an alert that pops up when the chart is accessed that says "personal hygiene a sensitive topic", but isn't technically part of the medical record for anyone but the staff to see.

But I digress.

Can a pro-life doctor reserve the word "abortion" for the murder of pre-born human beings, or do legal medical regulations require them to do otherwise?

The article's argument that a patient's objection might be based upon ignorance or a misunderstanding of terminology is insulting.

I am saddened to find that the word "abortion" appears to be medically accepted as interchangeable with "miscarriage." I have seen "abortion" euphemistically referred to as [deliberately] "induced miscarriage", and it nauseates me.

Your thoughts?

1 posted on 07/08/2013 9:16:54 PM PDT by SovereignVA
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To: SovereignVA

If the Philippines want to become the mecca of medical tourism, they need to explicitly guarantee confidentiality of medical records and they’ll make a killing.


2 posted on 07/08/2013 9:22:50 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SovereignVA

Waaaaay back when I was still “in production,” they called a miscarriage a “spontanious abortion.”


3 posted on 07/08/2013 9:22:58 PM PDT by bannie
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To: bannie

we stil refer to almost having a miscarriage as a “threatened miscarriage”; however spontaneous abortion is used routinely to describe an actual miscarriage. Omitting the spontaneous aspect just seems lazy imo.


4 posted on 07/08/2013 9:26:50 PM PDT by RC one
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To: SovereignVA

My thought is that they are distinct, and that it matters, because we know the government and the abortion lobby will try to use these numbers in some way to support their agenda. Who knows but that they may try to portray women who have had a miscarriage, as supporting abortion?


5 posted on 07/08/2013 9:26:56 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SovereignVA

I sympathize with the lady. We lost one.

People actually OFFENDED by this need to grow up.... Its a medical term known as a “Spontaneous Abortion”. They can also be referred to as a fetal demise, depending on the circumstances..... I think. ( before becoming a Nurse Practitioner, my wife used to be an RN in OBGYN)


6 posted on 07/08/2013 9:29:34 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: SovereignVA

It’s not to be taken personally — it’s a medical record. However, it’s obviously a sensitive topic, whichever side of the aisle the patient is on. Accuracy and specificity are required in any medical document, and I don’t think the unqualified term “abortion” is appropriate.

Technically, if a fetus is not carried to term, it’s aborted. Part of a woman’s obstetrical history includes the number of times she’s been pregnant, the number of deliveries, number of abortions (of any kind), and how many live births. Such information should always be obtained with a degree of sensitivity in mind.


7 posted on 07/08/2013 9:34:56 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: SovereignVA

The words that jumped out at me were “morbidly obese”. Sounds like she has bigger problems to worry about.


8 posted on 07/08/2013 9:36:30 PM PDT by moovova
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To: SovereignVA

The same medical terminology can be used for a D&C....if it aborts a pregnancy...


9 posted on 07/08/2013 9:38:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
The words that jumped out at me were "morbidly obese". Sounds like she has bigger problems to worry about.

So to speak. ;-)

10 posted on 07/08/2013 9:47:40 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Cold Heat

Actually, it’s even worse than that. The terms are applied even after a full-term badly botched child-birth. I re-wrote a section of the document I was supposed to sign that originally read “removed the effects of pregnancy,” which would have implied abortion, to read “removed the effects of child-birth.” The obgyn, though he delivered a healthy baby, had failed to remove all the after-birth, so the then-necessary D&C was hardly the proximate result of mere pregnancy!


11 posted on 07/08/2013 9:59:08 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: KoRn
People actually OFFENDED by this need to grow up....

I think you need to consider the possibility that such records might be leaked and used against people.

It might not matter to the average family, but If someone were in an important position this misleading information could easily be used to destroy someone's reputation.

12 posted on 07/08/2013 10:10:43 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: bannie

SA (spontaneous abortion) was acceptable usage. Elective Abortion rare.

But it’s the Elective abortion industry who took the usage, I’m sure.


13 posted on 07/08/2013 10:11:27 PM PDT by stanne
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To: SovereignVA

Here we go again. I guess niggardly isn’t the only word that is not pc.


14 posted on 07/08/2013 10:25:52 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: SpaceBar

Words matter to a broken heart.


15 posted on 07/08/2013 11:29:24 PM PDT by make no mistake
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To: make no mistake

bump


16 posted on 07/08/2013 11:33:16 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: SovereignVA

There are 4 types of abortion and abortion is a medical term. Most women use the term miscarriage but that is a lay mans term.....You can have an inevitable abortion which means you are going to spontaneous abort. or a threatened abortion which usually means a pregnancy is in danger of an abort..... therapeutic abortion.... which is what most people call abortion..Cannot remember the other type and I’d have to dig out my nursing bible and its too late at night...


17 posted on 07/08/2013 11:48:25 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: bannie

you are 100% right...but if one person or 100 people are offended, lets just change that offensive word so she can feel better-....she is not stupid, but is really ignorant in the truest sense of the word. Wording is the reason pro abortion people got offended when they were called anti life. Politically correct be dammed. Its an abortion and if someone is offended tough noggies, life is hard...


18 posted on 07/08/2013 11:55:19 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Just took a year-long medical coding class.

You wouldn’t believe the horrible cr@p-storm drs have to go through. Heck there’s multiple codes for various abortions. Failed abortion gets a code, spontaneous abortion gets a code, successful abortion.......

And it hasn’t really even kicked in yet. Learned enough terminology and that I don’t want to be involved.


19 posted on 07/09/2013 12:40:49 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: SovereignVA

the technical term for an early miscarriage is an “abortion”.

What laypeople call an “abortion” is called an “induced abortion”.

If it occurs later than 12 weeks, it is called a second trimester abortion.

If the miscarriage comes after viability, it is called premature labor.

To confuse matters, in most early miscarriages, in the first 6 to 8 weeks, there is no fetus (which is why the pregnancy spontaneously ended itself).

and if the baby dies or never forms, but you don’t pass the fetal sac, it is called a “missed abortion”.


20 posted on 07/09/2013 1:04:53 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: RC one

Actually, the whole thing is lazy, giving credence to the great statement of my college biology teacher: when you simplify, you lie.”
The two words are not synonymous - doctors have become illiterate. A spontaneous abortion occurs early on; often before the woman knows she is pregnant, and even after, she might not know what all the bleeding and cramping was about. A miscarriage occurs later, often involves labor. You lose an identifiable baby.


21 posted on 07/09/2013 1:47:18 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SovereignVA

The word ‘abortion” is an abortion.....it’s really MURDER. A Miscarriage is an act of God.....Murder is an act of the Mother.


22 posted on 07/09/2013 1:56:32 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SovereignVA

The woman should have picked up Mr. Webster’s handy book and looked up abortion. http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/abortion The doctor was correct even by the devout Bible scholar Noah Webster’s definition of the word in his 1828 Dictionary.


23 posted on 07/09/2013 2:42:48 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: SovereignVA

The problem with people today is that they receive too much information from sources that don’t know what they are talking about, using words that have many meanings. The general media and politically correct individuals/groups are the major culprit information source.

People must understand that many fields have their own specific terminology with well defined definitions that do not always match that of the general media’s usage or the dictionary’s definition. Medicine, Law, the Trades, etc.

Think of all the words the far left has bastardized: gay, ...phobia. hateful, racist, ...


24 posted on 07/09/2013 3:20:22 AM PDT by Howindependent (A Liberal has no concept of reality.)
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To: SovereignVA
I thought the term for miscarriage was auto-abortion.
25 posted on 07/09/2013 3:21:26 AM PDT by fso301
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To: bannie
Waaaaay back when I was still “in production,” they called a miscarriage a “spontaneous abortion.”

Several people who are very close to me have the “spontaneous abortion” description in their medical records, and I don't think they mind the words, just the loss of an innocent life. What is normally called "abortion" is usually described by physicians as something like "elective abortion", although I prefer "recreational abortion".

26 posted on 07/09/2013 3:39:49 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SovereignVA
From Stedman's Medical Dictionary:

abortion (AB)
Type: Term
Pronunciation: ă-bōr′shŭn
Definitions:
1. Expulsion from the uterus of an embryo or fetus before viability (20 weeks' gestation [18 weeks after fertilization] or fetal weight less than 500 g). A distinction made between abortion and premature birth is that premature infants are those born after the stage of viability but before 37 weeks' gestation. Abortion may be either spontaneous (occurring from natural causes) or induced (artificially or therapeutically).
2. The arrest of any action or process before its normal completion.

miscarriage
Type: Term
Pronunciation: mis-kar′ăj
Definitions:
1. Layperson's term for spontaneous expulsion of the products of pregnancy before the middle of the second trimester; no longer accepted in clinical usage.
Synonyms: spontaneous abortion

27 posted on 07/09/2013 3:55:46 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: SovereignVA
Your thoughts?

We keep conceding the language to the left.

Pro-Life? Arguably not if you believe some people should be executed or stopped on the spot, even if they die as a result.

Pro-Choice? Arguably not if you believe people should not be allowed to choose to arm themselves or to deny service for religious reasons.

In regard to the abortion issue, people are for abortion-on-demand or against abortion-on-demand.

"Spontaneous Abortion" is a medical term and has been for a long while.

Should the language of medicine be "living" or should we learn what the words mean? Should the language of the Constitution be "living" or should we learn what the words mean?

Euphemisms are powerful things.

Consider that "miscarriage" is a euphemism for "spontaneous abortion".

The article's argument that a patient's objection might be based upon ignorance or a misunderstanding of terminology is insulting.

The truth can be insulting, but it's still the truth.

28 posted on 07/09/2013 9:18:34 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: bicyclerepair

You really have to learn to talk medical in nursing also, but those that work with insurance’s have got to go nuts with so many rules etc....As a nurse, the first time I saw SOB I had to laugh....shorthand for short of breath..didn’t mean the patient was a nasty sob...


29 posted on 07/09/2013 1:32:11 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: SovereignVA

The medical profession has always called a miscarriage an abortion — even before abortion was legal. Usually the word “spontaneous” was attached to the word “abortion”. I know because I used to be a medical records secretary in my youth.


30 posted on 07/10/2013 7:18:02 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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