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777 Crash at SFO (San Francisco)
Twitter ^ | July 6, 2013

Posted on 07/06/2013 12:02:24 PM PDT by FreedomPoster

Currently just Tweets and locals talking about this, nothing on news sites yet. Lots of stuff in the Twitter feed, including links to uploaded videos of the smoking mess.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 777; airlinecrash; asiana214; boeing; flight214; planecrash; sanfrancisco; sfo; southkorea
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To: steve86

Another reference states that all Boeing transports subsequent to the 707 do have shearable bolts or pins on the engine mounts.


341 posted on 07/06/2013 1:52:31 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Conserev1
Sure can't see it:


342 posted on 07/06/2013 1:52:38 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: FreedomPoster

That pretty much sums up the area of point of impact...

It’s going to be pilot error or mechanical problem.


343 posted on 07/06/2013 1:52:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: steve86

KTVU confirms 2 killed, 61 injured


344 posted on 07/06/2013 1:52:58 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Steely Tom

I had dinner with Sully. He is a heck of a nice guy. Yeah, I know, name-dropping. ;-)

We discussed the sequence of events. Never heard him say that. Now, he did say he kept the nose up as high as he could in an effort to reduce speed so when the engines did hit the water, chances were reduced that the engines digging in would cause the jet to tumble and break apart.


345 posted on 07/06/2013 1:53:52 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: blackdog

I used to own an Aztec 1965C. Sold it when the price of 100LL was over $6.00 after Katrina. (140 gal usable)

I do have almost 21,000 hours in everything from a J-3 Cub to the B-747-400. Air Force T-37, T-33, B-52G AN Guard F-84.
Airlines 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, DC 8, DC 10.

I think that we are stuck on the word “flare” Most of the larger jets fly final approach in a nose up attitude, say 3 or 4 degrees nose up. In landing the pilot increases his pitch attitude by another 3 or 4 degrees to check the descent rate. The longer bodied airplanes (757) will strike the runway if the attitude is greater than 7.5 degrees.


346 posted on 07/06/2013 1:54:28 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: blackdog
I have hundreds of landings at SFO.

Runway 28L and 28R at SFO are parallel and very close. It is standard procedure at SFO to do ILS to the left runway, and LDA or RNAV to the right - as well as visual approaches to both because of the insufficient airspace to do parallel ILS approaches.

This is a clear case of landing short. It is not unlikely they were following the wrong glideslope (the runways are offset, so it makes it even more likely to cause a landing short of the runway).
347 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:03 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: carriage_hill
There’s still an engine (port) missing from plane and debris field

Could it be under the port wing with a collapsed pylon? If not, extraordinarily weird.

348 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: 2111USMC

SF tv station KTVU reported 2 dead at 11:41am local, about 20 minutes after the incident. That’s being on top of the story!

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/boeing-777-crashes-while-landing-sfo/nYfcx/


349 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:18 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I noticed that just after the film aired, a couple hours ago; no one on TV has said anything yet about the missing port engine.


350 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:23 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Self-sealing? For a bird-strike maybe, but not if they are ripped apart.

;-)


351 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:34 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: machogirl

Machogirl, hey! Where did you hear that (cortisol) about the jackboots? waaa. I don’t drink either... or fly... but... when I used to fly more, always had an exit strategy. I’ve read enough accounts from plane crash survivors to know what they did to get out. And, it did not include trying to grab their luggage...!


352 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:35 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: FreedomPoster

The Instrument Landing System (ILS) for both Runways 28L and 28R is NOTAMed inoperative. It is likely the Asian attempted to use the (inop) ILS and hit well short of the intended touchdown point. A very similar cause to the crash of Korean Air B-747 in Guam several years ago.


353 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:36 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: tcrlaf

Wonder if they might be relieved not to fly right away?


354 posted on 07/06/2013 1:55:45 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: FreedomPoster

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWeb/notamRetrievalByICAOAction.do?method=displayByICAOs&reportType=RAW&formatType=DOMESTIC&retrieveLocId=KSFO&actionType=notamRetrievalByICAOs

!SFO 06/005 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359

!SFO 06/004 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359


355 posted on 07/06/2013 1:57:09 PM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: BatGuano

I haven’t followed 100LL prices and was shocked to see it at $6.36 the other day.

That’s even worse than the $4.45 unleaded ethanol-free premium costs here.


356 posted on 07/06/2013 1:57:59 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: NonValueAdded

From Airliners:

The flight on hold for takeoff when this crashed was UA 885 to Kansai


357 posted on 07/06/2013 1:58:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Borax Queen

I read it in the past year. I’ll try to find it.


358 posted on 07/06/2013 1:58:25 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: diogenes ghost

Well, tailsrike is a yes. But as a result of mechanical failure or pilot error? That’s the question.

note: pilot error cause a bird hit an engine at 200 ft and he didn’t react per protocol/training is different than the dork set the gauge wrong. The black box will tell us.


359 posted on 07/06/2013 1:58:45 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: steve86
Could it be under the port wing with a collapsed pylon? If not, extraordinarily weird.

Check out pic at 342....Got to be half buried too if it's there.

360 posted on 07/06/2013 1:59:14 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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