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Florida girl, 18, arrested and expelled after relationship with 15-year-old female classmate
New York Daily News ^ | Sunday, May 19, 2013 | Erik Ortiz

Posted on 05/20/2013 12:47:07 PM PDT by presidio9

An 18-year-old Florida student’s senior year has become a nightmare — all because she was in a same-sex relationship with a 15-year-old, her family says.

Kaitlyn Hunt was arrested Feb. 16 for having a physical relationship with a younger classmate, who was her girlfriend at the time, mom Kelley Hunt Smith wrote on Facebook.

Under Florida law, Hunt could see up to 15 years in prison and must register as a sex offender. A plea deal, however, remains on the table that would give Hunt two years' house arrest and one year of probation, her family said.

“Does my daughter deserve to lose her life for 15 years, or 3 years, or to have no life, because of one choice she made in high school, absolutely not!!” Hunt Smith wrote Friday, adding, “This is a mother’s nightmare.”

The distraught mom and her family has launched an online campaign asking supporters to petition the State Attorney’s office in Indian River County and have them reconsider the charges.

“The (assistant) state attorney, Brian Workman needs to use taxpayers money to prosecute REAL criminals, not a high school student who has never been in trouble a day in her young life, all because she had a mutual consenting relationship with someone who has bigoted parents,” wrote Hunt Smith, who didn’t immediately return a call seeking comment Sunday.

Hunt’s uncle, Andrew Gay, told the Daily News that the girls were in the same social circle at Sebastian River High School and played together on the basketball team.

In September, after Hunt turned 18, she and the other girl, a freshman, began dating and expressed their relationship in “intimate ways,” the family said.

But when the basketball coach found out about their relationship, Hunt was thrown off the team and the other girl’s parents were notified.

The parents then told police, and a phone call was recorded between their daughter and Hunt in which the girls discussed their relationship, Gay said.

The age of consent in Florida is 18.

Hunt was arrested on two counts of felony lewd and lascivious battery on a child ages 12 to 16, jail records show.

Her family was devastated.

“We certainly aren’t saying that all 18-year olds anywhere should be able to date all 15-year olds,” Gay said. “But this is a situation where these two girls were in the same social circle, on the same basketball team. I just don’t think Kaitlyn looked at this girl and thought, 'She’s a certain age, so she’s off limits to me.'”

Hunt Smith claims the other family was upset because their daughter was in a same-sex relationship and believed that Hunt had somehow “made” their daughter gay.

“Of course I see it 100% different,” Hunt Smith wrote. “I don’t see or label these girls as gay. They are teenagers in high school experimenting with their sexuality, all teens do it in one form or another. ... And even if their daughter is gay, who cares, she is still their daughter.”

Hunt was expelled from the high school and agreed to have no contact with the other girl. She also transferred to an alternative high school.

Although she’ll be allowed to walk with the graduating class at Sebastian River High School, her final year — and future — has been tainted by scandal.

“Should the girls have made better choices, YES. I agree," Hunt Smith said, "but is this criminal, no."

The State Attorney’s Office in Indian River County couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

Regardless of whether the family takes the plea, Gay said, a felony child abuse charge will ruin his niece’s future and her dream of one day becoming a nurse.

“She’s been a great student, so bright and not troubled at all,” Gay said. “She was voted ‘most school spirit.’ What’s happened to her now is ridiculous.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: ageofconscent; definingdeviancydown; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; statutoryrape
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To: KC_Lion

LEAVE FLUTTERSHY OUT OF THIS MAN! Im TELLIN YA!!! Don’t GO There!


51 posted on 05/20/2013 1:42:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SandyInSeattle
Yeah, I know, and it was probably consensual, and many 15 yr olds today know way more about sex than I did at 15, and she probably knew how to say no if she wanted to say no, but the law is the law and it just seems that many laws are broken these days without consequences. Maybe I'm wrong on that, I have no basis for saying it, it's just what I observe.

52 posted on 05/20/2013 1:43:46 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; GraceG

53 posted on 05/20/2013 1:43:59 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: presidio9
The idea here is to protect children under a certain age who are incapable of making adult decisions for themselves.

So, everyone who has had sex before the age of 18 was "incapable" of making that decision? Give me a break.

Look, people can debate around the clock whether teens having sex is a good idea or not. But, one thing I'm quite sure of is an 18-year-old & 15-year-old having sex should not be a criminal act. That is Big Government stupidity.

54 posted on 05/20/2013 1:45:51 PM PDT by gdani
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To: presidio9
One individual case is irrelevant to the nature of the law and I was not saying or implying that the particular scenario was directly applicable to this case. What I was pointing out was that if they DID have sex the day before her 18th birthday and the day after, the first would be legal and the second illegal.

Do you think that is a good law? Do you think an 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old (once again a hypothetical case, not this particular case) should be a crime worthy of prison and lifelong membership as a sexual offender?

55 posted on 05/20/2013 1:46:02 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: SoldierDad

Looks like she has a lazy eye...


56 posted on 05/20/2013 1:46:41 PM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: gdani
If you want to avoid the "creep factor" simply amend the law to allow for a 4-year age difference, for example.

FL already allows for a 24yo to date a 16yo. The cutoff is 16 even though the age of consent is 18.

You want it to be 15. How about 14? 13? 12?

I'm just playing devil's advocate. Who decides what the age should be? Commonsense can't come into play. The liberals have already ruined that with their ZERO TOLERANCE policies.

Frankly, and I said this yesterday, she should get no special treatment because she's a lesbian even thought that's what her mom is demanding.

57 posted on 05/20/2013 1:47:07 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: GraceG

The whole thing is that we are told that a 15 yo can get abortion drugs but can’t legally have sex. We are told that a 27 YO is a child per insurance, but an adult aside. That an 18 yo is child and man, too irresponsible to be trusted with a beer, yet responsible enough to drive an Abrams tank and kill hundreds.

While I have no answer what age today should be ‘consent’ I do know we have to look backwards for rational answers. Because we live in Toontown now.


58 posted on 05/20/2013 1:48:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: allmendream
I was not saying or implying that the particular scenario was directly applicable to this case.

Could have fooled me:

Well there is no indication that they had sex before and after her birthday

Is English your first language?

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you are a libertarian. Correct?

59 posted on 05/20/2013 1:51:44 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: KC_Lion

You went there.....

But it coulda been worse ;)


60 posted on 05/20/2013 1:52:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: presidio9

The problem these laws always have is timing. A 15 and a 17 year old start dating and fornicating, both are under the line, no laws broken. Then the 17 year old has a birthday, now it’s statutory rape. I understand and agree with the intent of the laws, to prevent adults from coercing non-adults into sex, but there are issues with hard interpretation by date, especially for continuing relationships, and 18 year olds still in high school for whatever reason. Don’t know what the answer is, but 15 years in stir for having a girlfriend 3 years younger probably isn’t it.


61 posted on 05/20/2013 1:52:51 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: GraceG

Is that the 15 year old or the 18 year old?


62 posted on 05/20/2013 1:56:24 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: gdani
So, everyone who has had sex before the age of 18 was "incapable" of making that decision? Give me a break.

Nope. And I am sure there are some 12 year-olds who would be perfectly safe drivers if they were allowed to get their licenses. What you're seeing here is a textbook example of the philosphical differences in how libertarians and conservatives view personal liberty. I susect most of us on this website were a bit more libertarian in our views when we were in college and the world seemed less complicated. Luckily, most of us grew out of it when started to see the laws of unintended consequences in action.

Is there an age below which you accept that MOST children are not capable of making an adult decision? If so, what is it, and how did you arrive at it?

63 posted on 05/20/2013 1:58:16 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Well, it’s obvious to me that we’re supposed to be liberal on this case, because it involves a homosexual relationship.

Members of officially recognized grievance groups, such as ethnic minorities and homosexuals, object when the same standards applied to everyone else are applied to them.

So we’re not supposed to say anything. All that matters is that these are girls in a same-sex relationsip. End of discussion, per the liberal and politically correctness crowds.


64 posted on 05/20/2013 2:02:20 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: presidio9

Well you seem easy enough to fool.

And no, I am a conservative for a limited government with enumerated powers.

I am going to go out on a limb and assume you support the nanny State. Correct?


65 posted on 05/20/2013 2:03:04 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
You are not making any sense. First you said:

Well there is no indication that they had sex before and after her birthday

Then you said:

I was not saying or implying that the particular scenario was directly applicable to this case.

No sir. Can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word "fool." That would be suprising, because there is no doubt you have heard it enough in your lifetime.

66 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:01 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: servo1969
If they’ll put 18-year-old men in jail for screwing a 15-year-old they have to do it to women, too.

Agreed.

But they shouldn't be jailing 18-year-olds for screwing 15-year-olds, period.

67 posted on 05/20/2013 2:11:15 PM PDT by cynwoody (u)
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To: Norm Lenhart

While I have no answer what age today should be ‘consent’ I do know we have to look backwards for rational answers. Because we live in Toontown now.

Personally I think the age of consent should be 16 or 18 as well as the Drivers licesnse age, the draft age, and the drinking age, the smoking age, etc etc....

I think that it should be taught in the grades before one turns 16/18 that turning 16/18 isn’t freedom but a whole but load of responsibility to be heaped upon you.

That being said there should also be a window of consent, which is 2 to 4 years depending on age for those who are 16-20 years old.

Here is another place where zero tolerance laws = zero intelligence. and another example where good parenting matters.

I think there should be a definate age where “you are now an adult” and you get a swift kick on your rear end as you leave the house and are then expected to take care of yourself.


68 posted on 05/20/2013 2:13:35 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: presidio9
According to the article. Kaitlyn Hunt was already 18 years old when the relationship began.

It would make no difference to the law if their relationship had begun before KH turned 18.

69 posted on 05/20/2013 2:17:02 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: presidio9
It isn't both ways at all as should be easy to understand.

I set up a hypothetical scenario - to reduce the situation to the absurd.

There IS no indication that they had sex before and right after her birthday - it should be obvious (even to you) that I was engaged in a hypothetical.

The fact that they never had sex AT ALL before her 18th birthday (or presumably the day immediately after) doesn't change the idiocy of the law that it would be legal one day, and illegal the next day.

Can you follow that? Do you really have that much problems with reading comprehension - or is it that you don't think your argument has much strength on the merits so you want to rehash your misunderstanding of what I was saying numerous times?

How many times do I have to explain it to you that I was OBVIOUSLY setting up a hypothetical for which there was no indication that it was directly applicable to the facts of this particular case?

70 posted on 05/20/2013 2:17:10 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Well, it’s obvious to me that we’re supposed to be liberal on this case, because it involves a homosexual relationship.

Members of officially recognized grievance groups, such as ethnic minorities and homosexuals, object when the same standards applied to everyone else are applied to them.

So we’re not supposed to say anything. All that matters is that these are girls in a same-sex relationsip. End of discussion, per the liberal and politically correctness crowds.

At least the only plus here is that the 15yr old won’t have to get “Plan B” pills behind their parent’s backs....

That being said 15/18 year old relationships are not an excuse to use zero tolerance to make soneone have to register themselves for the rest of their lives....


71 posted on 05/20/2013 2:18:22 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: servo1969

Shocking...next there will be a couple of lesbian softball players.


72 posted on 05/20/2013 2:19:24 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: allmendream

Both were girls.


73 posted on 05/20/2013 2:22:33 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: b4its2late

Oh, I agree. I just think the law can be idiotic and intrusive.

As a parent, it should be up to me whether I want to allow the relationship or sabotage it, which is precisely what I did when my young daughter was being bird-dogged by a much older boy in high school. I made their lives so miserable she eventually dumped him.


74 posted on 05/20/2013 2:22:34 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (The Cardinals chose wisely.)
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To: gdani

If you want to avoid the “creep factor” simply amend the law to allow for a 4-year age difference, for example.
_-—————————

So a 1st year teacher could have sex with senior?


75 posted on 05/20/2013 2:28:48 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: allmendream
How many times do I have to explain it to you that I was OBVIOUSLY setting up a hypothetical for which there was no indication that it was directly applicable to the facts of this particular case?

We can do this forever if you like. Under no circumstances can your specific referral to this particular case be spun into hypothetical after the fact:

Well there is no indication that they had sex before and after her birthday

It is what it is. Stay down Rock.

76 posted on 05/20/2013 2:34:40 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: verga

Yeah, and?

Do you think the law should not apply equally?

An 18 year old male with a 15 year old female is A-OK and shouldn’t be prosecuted - but an 18 year old female with a 15 year old female should be? How about an 18 year old female with a 15 year old male?


77 posted on 05/20/2013 2:45:37 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: GraceG
Seconf thought: Many freepers currently freaking out over the age thing better ask granny how old she was when her husband statutorially raped her.

Isn't it clear to you that if he was her husband, it could not have been statutory rape? That statute only applies in cases where the parties are not married. So this is a silly argument to make.

78 posted on 05/20/2013 3:36:01 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: allmendream
What I was pointing out was that if they DID have sex the day before her 18th birthday and the day after, the first would be legal and the second illegal.

Yes, and if she voted one day before her 18th birthday, it would be illegal, and one day afterward, it would be legal. If she went into a bar and bought a drink one day before her 21st birthday, it would be illegal; one day after, it would be legal. And so on and so forth. So are you arguing that any law that is based on the age of the defendant is unreasonable?

79 posted on 05/20/2013 3:40:30 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: presidio9

Equality is a bitch isn’t it.

Young men are presecuted as sex offenders when they are 18 and having sex with a 15 year old girlfriend.

This young woman must face the same laws everyone else faces and under the law she violated an underage girl.


80 posted on 05/20/2013 4:38:23 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: allmendream

A Florida could lower the age of consent like what happens in other states.. or B the parents should of told their kid what the law was... or C both of the above.

In light of Florida not changing the law I’m going to go with option B.


81 posted on 05/20/2013 5:01:32 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: allmendream
The fact that they never had sex AT ALL before her 18th birthday (or presumably the day immediately after) doesn't change the idiocy of the law that it would be legal one day, and illegal the next day.

The law is full of idiocy and arbitrary lines. If you steal a $499 suit in IL, it's a misdemeanor, while a $500 suit is a felony. Both are wrong, but one carries a significant penalty.

It is wrong for a 17 y/o about to turn 18 to have sex with a 15 y/o, but the legislatures have drawn the felony line at the birthday - the same line they drew for other adult responsibilities and consequences. As a parent, I would react adversely to a 17 y/o bedding my 15 y/o daughter. I would also react adversely a day later on the little rat's 18th birthday, with one more arrow in my quiver, thanks to the law.

82 posted on 05/20/2013 5:22:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: presidio9
I posted a similar article from The Blaze earlier today. My take is this: What we have here is a girl who thinks age of consent laws shouldn't apply to her because she is a lesbian.

And I will add her mommy's Facebook post shows when it comes to moral vacuity, the apple didn't fall too far from the tree.

There is a Facebook group called "Free Kate." It was an open group earlier today, but now it is closed (I wonder why.). There is also an online petition at Change.org that's dying to be Freeped. Finally, I feel it is my duty to inform you the user allmendream is no more. He was given the ZOT by Jim Robinson earlier today.

83 posted on 05/20/2013 6:32:22 PM PDT by Houmatt (Generic tag line.)
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To: Houmatt

Finally, I feel it is my duty to inform you the user allmendream is no more. He was given the ZOT by Jim Robinson earlier today.

84 posted on 05/20/2013 6:36:16 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Houmatt
Very true.

All the mothers of sons I know, had to have the “conversation” about the legal age of sexual consent.
All the mothers of daughters I know, had a similar conversation.

Most of the mothers I know included lot’s of facts, lot’s of morals, and plenty of real world consequences.

Yes, the 18 year old is guilty of a sex crime.
Her mother should have taught her better...

85 posted on 05/20/2013 6:53:23 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: sarasmom
Her mother thinks of the parents of the 15-year-old (they are the ones who filed charges) as, "Bigoted, religious zealots" because they had the unmitigated gall to move to protect their daughter.
86 posted on 05/20/2013 7:05:26 PM PDT by Houmatt (Generic tag line.)
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To: presidio9

It’s a stupid law. 15 year girls are not much less mature than 18 year old females. I’d spot 5 years after the age of 15.


87 posted on 05/20/2013 9:13:12 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: presidio9

BTW allmendream got zotted on the other thread about this.


88 posted on 05/20/2013 11:52:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Because MANY of the women throughout history were ‘under age’ when they got married.

But they were married, not engaging in relations outside of marriage.

89 posted on 05/21/2013 2:39:33 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: allmendream
Your original post seemed to indicate that you believed that the 18 year old was a male.

And for the record I do believe the law should be applied equally.

I also believe that if enough people convince the legislature to change the law, then that law should be applied equally.

90 posted on 05/21/2013 2:50:32 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: presidio9

“Should the girls have made better choices, YES. I agree,” Hunt Smith said, “but is this criminal, no.”

Welcome to the world of Big Government, Mr. Smith.

Democrats decided to allow AgencyPersons to decide when a minor could have sex - a decision once largely left to the parents.

Surprise, Surprise, SURPRISE! AgencyPersons and their laws/regulations make a poor substitute for parental judgment.

Turns out there was a reason the Constitution didn’t allow government to raise children.

PS Nathaniel Grigsby ID’ed the Democratic Party as “this party of treason” back in the 19th century. They are the same now.


91 posted on 05/21/2013 4:04:32 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: presidio9

” The questions that need to be asked are “Why was this law created in the first place?””

Make work for a swarm of Democrats.


92 posted on 05/21/2013 4:07:37 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: GladesGuru

to stop pervs from preying on minors


93 posted on 05/21/2013 4:08:55 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

“to stop pervs from preying on minors”

I wish you were correct, but I am doubtful. ‘Crats care first for their agency, and their place in said agency. Client welfare is a distant second.

I must note that to send one’s children to the Pooblik Screwl Collective where they are age segregated from kindergarten on is a bad idea. Specifically, it is the old Prussian school system, with an admixture of communism.


94 posted on 05/21/2013 4:43:42 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam is antithetical to, and Islam is irreconcilable with, America. Therefore - Islam Delenda Est)
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To: GladesGuru

Democrats love kids having sex, you would have to be blind to miss that.

I am so glad I will never be as blind as a libertopian


95 posted on 05/21/2013 4:44:47 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: presidio9

Dear, God. While I would discourage this relationship to make it criminal is a crime. It’s private, the age difference is too small, with both in high school. Those school officials need to get a life.


96 posted on 05/21/2013 4:49:07 AM PDT by tioga
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To: verga

Yes, but the age aspect is what I was getting at. In the early 1900s and prior a 14-15 yo getting married/having kids was common. My Grandmother was such. Today Gramps would be a pedo. Many Freepers here are in the same boat. As are many older Americans. Our parents/GP were all married very young. And that’s the problem. For thousands of years it was one way, then in the past 50 suddenly on someone’s say so, all that history is now ‘wrong’. It’s not just OK because of marriage. The ages IMO are the core issue. Pedo is pedo married or not.


97 posted on 05/21/2013 11:34:10 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
Yes, but the age aspect is what I was getting at. In the early 1900s and prior a 14-15 yo getting married/having kids was common.

Someone raised the point on another thread that back in the 1700's and up until the industrial revolution that early marriage was common due tot he fact taht people matured faster becasue of the need to survive. Our counties history is replete with stories of pioneers that were married at 14-15 years old and moving out west.

My Great Grandfather came to this country at age 16 by himself.

98 posted on 05/21/2013 12:10:58 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Marriage is totally different from illicit sex, what to speak of same sex sodomy. IMHO the trend and push towards later in life marrying is not a good thing at all.


99 posted on 05/21/2013 12:26:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: verga

Another ‘inconvenient truth’ that a lot of conservatives don’t like to talk about because of the ick factor is that puberty, the biological fact of it, is at odds with the whole must be 18 yo for sex thing.

Nature and society’s ideas of when the sex is A OK are two very different things. And natures version of ready puts it squarely into society’s definition of pedo. The problem REALLY comes in the discussion. Because it is all but impossible to have a straight discussion of it without someone screaming YOU SUPPORT PEDOPHILIA!


100 posted on 05/21/2013 12:29:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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