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Dad who died during arrest 'begged for his life'; witness videos seized
www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com ^ | Thursday, May 09 2013 07:07 PM | BY LAURA LIERA AND JASON KOTOWSKI

Posted on 05/11/2013 9:03:23 AM PDT by redreno

Blood stains are still visible on the sidewalk at the corner of Flower Street and Palm Drive, where a Bakersfield man struggled with as many as nine officers and later died this week.

David Sal Silva, 33 and the father of four young children, died early Wednesday morning after deputies say he fought with them and CHP officers who'd responded to a report of a possibly intoxicated man outside Kern Medical Center.

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To: Bshaw

Police are like anyone else. There are good and bad.

The one thing they all have in common is once they are on the force they become an entity apart from normal Human beings. They no longer trust the rest of us, they only trust each other.
The authority they have is used like a baton, anything is considered an act of disrespect, Any time you question their authority in any manner it is considered resistance. Even taking their picture is considered disrespect. Yet they tell you when they pull you over that you are being recorded both audibly and visually. While a police officer has you in their power at a stop, it is expected for you to be completely subservient. There can be no other way or you face arrest.

It is apparent that they expect respect without giving any.

When you go to traffic Court your testimony means nothing unless you can prove yourself innocent. Just the opposite of a Civil Court. Judges just assume the cop wouldn’t lie, but you would.

It’s the system.


51 posted on 05/11/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Rusty0604
Did you give them your SS# to avoid being beaten and arrested?

I actually did, because I had yet to have my eyes opened. They made it clear that I couldn't refuse and when they rest their hands on their guns, it really brings a sense of authority over you, especially when the second set of cops pulled up behind them. As it turns out they lied! Surprise! Of course they found nothing, and the fact that I was under no obligation to give them so much as my name really cinched it for me. (insert "You can't expect them to tell criminals that they don't have to talk to police, do you?" comment here)

The thing about the other cases is that I gave them a description of the perps, car and a license plate number. Response: "That's probably a rental and they're long gone." Dude! That was fifteen minutes ago! Maybe I should be glad they showed up even that quickly.

52 posted on 05/11/2013 11:00:25 AM PDT by Squeako (The radicals are the wolves. The moderates are the wolves in sheep's clothing.)
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To: eddie willers
I agree it is logical for cops to overwhelm the criminal and I do not, in general hate cops. I have friends that are cops and my brother is retired from the CHP. Most cops I know do not have that the little tin god syndrome but those that do (my guess is around 30%) taint even the good ones and need to be weeded out. Also, after dealing with the scum of society for years it is reasonable for cops to fear for their lives under any and all circumstances when doing their job. It is when people get dead and personal videos of the incident are confiscated unlawfully by the cops that also taints the good ones.
53 posted on 05/11/2013 11:06:54 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder

Morals have been deteriorating with the spiritual state of our society, and the scum is scummier than ever now (even most crooks had some gospel acknowledgment at one point). That acknowledged, the filth is also clearly carrying over to the “boys in blue” and truly it is even on display now with Willers’ personal attacks.


54 posted on 05/11/2013 11:12:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Squeako

I haven’t been put in that position yet but I hope that if I do I could stick up for my rights, but, as you said, they can be intimidating. Makes you wonder what is worth dying over, especially when the cops report that you were obstructing justice or some other crap.


55 posted on 05/11/2013 11:14:17 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Sometimes the charges really are fishing expeditions, in the feeble hope that a court might find some reason to inquire into what the person in question was doing. Morals are going to hell in general and this is one facet of it.


57 posted on 05/11/2013 11:15:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: eddie willers

Another personal attack. You clearly display the problem which is overwhelming society as we speak.


58 posted on 05/11/2013 11:16:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What personal attack?

Be specific.

59 posted on 05/11/2013 11:27:39 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: eddie willers

A personal attack at “all freepers.” I am not going to play little baby games with you. I have reported your posts and I leave it up to the mods to do what is right, but even if they don’t, what you have done is clear before the Lord God and He is never never mocked. Fear, son. Fear.


60 posted on 05/11/2013 11:30:17 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: eyeamok

“... new Cell Phone App..”

That is an excellent idea.


61 posted on 05/11/2013 11:36:49 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

“Always ask for a lawyer.”

Agreed and say NOTHING before he or she gets there. Not one word. And NEVER let the police in your home unbidden by you. NEVER.


62 posted on 05/11/2013 11:38:16 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Jeeze, what a baby.

Check my sign-on date and posting record, “newbie”.

But at least you proved me wrong about being against snitching...you couldn’t run fast enough to “tell”.


63 posted on 05/11/2013 11:39:38 AM PDT by eddie willers
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To: redreno

Cops are criminals!! period.


64 posted on 05/11/2013 11:44:41 AM PDT by CardeadInKy ("The problem with Liberalism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Marg Thatcher)
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To: Bshaw
My 6 and 9 year olds have been...drilled on how to interact with state agents.

PETE: You Wash's boy?

CHILD: Yassir! And Daddy tolt me I'm to shoot whosoever from the bank!
[He pokes his rifle at the three men, who raise their hands.]

DELMAR: Well, we ain't from no bank, young feller.

CHILD: Yassir! I'm also suppose to shoot folks servin' papers!

DELMAR: Well we ain't got no papers.

CHILD: Yassir! I nicked the census man!

DELMAR: There's a good boy.


From the best movie of all time, O Brother Where Art Thou.

65 posted on 05/11/2013 11:50:05 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: redreno
Don't we already have the technology to upload content from a phone to cloud storage instantly?

If I were videotaping cops acting badly, I'd upload it off the phone where it is safe, then let the cops have the phone. Then slam with the cloud copy.

-PJ

66 posted on 05/11/2013 11:51:48 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I wonder if the regime is looking at how to bring this pack mentality in LEOs to a meeting with the flashmob mob wave? ... Summer is going to get really hot this year ...


67 posted on 05/11/2013 11:55:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Very hot, I fear.


68 posted on 05/11/2013 11:59:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: txnativegop
I have argued that in the years to come, the Roe decision will be viewed as one of the worst, if not the single worst, decision ever delivered by the US Supreme Court.

It was the one just before Roe, Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438 (1972), which set the precedent that outlawed "discrimination between the married and the unmarried" with respect to access to birth control. Led by Thurgood Marshall's influence, the Supremes consciously used that decision to grease the skids for Roe.

In effect, the decision opened the floodgates for unmarried sexual behavior, and was cited in hundreds of lower court decisions to undo the social ethos of marriage as the only completely legitimate place for sexual activity.

Another unintended consequence of those two decisions was the "establishment" of a powerful abortion industry. Without Eisenstadt's liberalization of unmarried sexual behavior, a demand for abortion would have remained; but it would have remained much smaller, and could have been met by secular hospitals instead of having had the effect of creating profit-centered abortion mills such as Gosnell's.

69 posted on 05/11/2013 12:08:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("There can be no dialogue with the prince of this world." -- Francis)
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To: drypowder
", after dealing with the scum of society for years it is reasonable for cops to fear for their lives under any and all circumstances when doing their job."

It doesn't give them a free pass, but it's no doubt a factor in many situations.

70 posted on 05/11/2013 12:09:51 PM PDT by daler
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To: eyeamok

It’s already available and it is free.

http://lifehacker.com/5881611/syncly-automatically-uploads-every-photo-you-take-to-dropbox


71 posted on 05/11/2013 12:27:03 PM PDT by Jude in WV
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To: All

Take video, immediately upload video to your YouTube account, hand over the phone to the cops and let them delete the video from your phone.


72 posted on 05/11/2013 12:42:31 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("GTFO out of our house BHOmo.")
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Youtube answers to higher powers and is becoming notorious for censoring videos that ‘embarrass’ the oligarchs.
73 posted on 05/11/2013 1:20:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: redreno

You might as well arm yourself and try to take out a cop or two before they get you. At least that might get the point across to other thug cops around the country.


74 posted on 05/11/2013 1:23:29 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: ClearCase_guy

Everybody needs to get their phones tied to the cloud. “Go ahead, take the phone. I still keep the contents.”


75 posted on 05/11/2013 1:28:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: MHGinTN

If not YT, then another app that you can easily upload vids to.

There are some apps that will do it automatically.

I’m going to do some research and find one that is safe, secure and auto-uploads in as soon as the pic/video is taken.

YT would be useful for purposes like the above because it is made public, although it might be hard to find with all the other content on YT unless someone knew where to look for it.

Let them get a search warrant to access your email/YT/gmail passwords if they can.

I wonder if copyright laws would apply here, or if there is an app that can add a copyright tag to your pics/vids?


76 posted on 05/11/2013 1:38:57 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield ("GTFO out of our house BHOmo.")
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

And if you don’t believe you shouldn’t talk to cops, watch the YouTube video.

Don’t Talk to Police
http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc


77 posted on 05/11/2013 1:45:10 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: eyeamok

It’s called “Capture.” Uploads to youtube.


78 posted on 05/11/2013 1:51:43 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: MHGinTN; Rodney Dangerfield

Upload to cloud storage then post on YouTube and LiveLeak. I don’t think LiveLeak takes down *anything*.


79 posted on 05/11/2013 1:51:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: bgill

Ustream can also do that.


80 posted on 05/11/2013 1:54:07 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: MHGinTN

True, but by the time cops knew it was there, and asked youtube to take it down, it would have been downloaded to many computers and it would be too late.


81 posted on 05/11/2013 1:56:51 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Jude in WV

Second the use of Dropbox on Android. Don’t know about IOS.


82 posted on 05/11/2013 2:10:54 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: jocon307
I hope the city controller is ready to start dusting off the checkbook.

This is what sucks about the whole thing even when these jackbooted thugs are found guilty, its still the average citizen who pays. All compensation should come out of their own pockets, they need to be made bankrupt and thrown out on the streets, then they will think twice about this thuggery. Alas this will never happen...
83 posted on 05/11/2013 3:43:55 PM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

A lot simpler to just remove the memory card and put a different one in its place, then hand them the phone, PUBLICLY. OR, hand them a similar yet not the actual phone, take your time copying the content, then contact them and tell them you’re sorry, but it appears you gave them the wrong phone and give them the right one.


84 posted on 05/11/2013 4:17:36 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: eddie willers

Indeed.


85 posted on 05/11/2013 4:18:22 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: eddie willers

“You just sound like every cop-hating, ‘snitches wind up in ditches’, CIA invented AIDS, Malcolm X wannabe that I was confused.”

Fair enough. Tell you what, next time I see a cop with a smile on his face, and not coming off like some heavy handed totalitarian jack booted thug, I’ll let you know. I can promise you it’s been a looooong time. Even when they come out to my neighborhood to lead our annual 4th of July neighborhood parade, their behavior and demeanor is disgusting.

My cousin’s neighbor is a Cleveland cop, he’ll be at my cousins house getting drunk an hour before he leaves for duty. Real professional this guy.

While I have had zero “official” interactions with LEOs, the ones I’ve observed have left me absolutely disgusted.

My respect for the profession has waned over the years; sorry, but observation is all I can go on.


86 posted on 05/11/2013 5:21:28 PM PDT by Bshaw (,A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: redreno

So in other words they acted like your average cop today.


87 posted on 05/12/2013 9:30:52 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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