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As buzz mounts, Ted Cruz’s White House eligibility again questioned
Washingon Times ^

Posted on 05/06/2013 7:09:31 AM PDT by Perdogg

Ted Cruz’s address at the annual South Carolina Republican Party dinner Friday helped feed growing speculation that the freshman senator from Texas is eyeing a run for the White House in 2016 — and raised yet another round of questions about his eligibility to serve in the Oval Office.

Mr. Cruz was born in Canada to an American-born mother and Cuban-born father, and was a citizen from birth — but that Canadian factor puts him in the company of other past candidates who have had their eligibility questioned because of the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016gopprimary; birthers; certifigate; cruz2016; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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To: Jeff Winston
And of course here is that load of utter horse sh*t which you persist in posting and misrepresenting as supporting your argument.

Far too much crap to address on a point by point basis. Fortunately, no body bothers reading it and being mislead by it.

181 posted on 05/06/2013 2:36:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Sorry, can’t hear you; buzzed off.


182 posted on 05/06/2013 2:38:14 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Jeff Winston
I'm not bothering to read your crap.

Nobody cares what you think.

183 posted on 05/06/2013 2:38:19 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
Trolls are those who waste people’s time with false and provocative statements.

Says the master of Verbal flatulence.

184 posted on 05/06/2013 2:39:15 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Does my natural right to keep and bear arms require the 2nd Amendment?


185 posted on 05/06/2013 2:40:14 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: okie01

Happersett comments were not a part of the per curiam ruling.


186 posted on 05/06/2013 2:42:07 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: allmendream
According to English law they WERE. England thought that Americans were legally English until 1815.

Not English Common law. English STATUTORY law. Get it right.

Between the adoption of the Constitution in 1787 and the end of the war of 1812 - in 1815 - Presidents Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, Lincoln and Johnson were all born.

Were none of these U.S. Presidents qualified because England considered them English according to English law?

If we had been respecting English Law, then the answer is "yes." Since we didn't respect English law, and had instead replaced it with American law, the answer is "no."

187 posted on 05/06/2013 2:43:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Nero Germanicus

Good to hear.


188 posted on 05/06/2013 2:46:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Statutory or not, they considered Americans English.

So you hold that the laws of a foreign nation has no bearing upon the natural born citizenship of an American?

189 posted on 05/06/2013 2:46:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Perdogg
Happersett comments were not a part of the per curiam ruling.

I'm aware of that -- which explains why Happersett isn't operative on the question of Presidential eligibility.

The comments essentially amount to judicial scuttlebutt.

190 posted on 05/06/2013 2:46:55 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
In other words, either:

a. The birther movement is right...and everybody else is wrong, including all those people whose business it is to know what's in the Constitution. Or...

b. Happersett never has been recognized as the definitive last word on "natural-born citizen" and the whole movement has been built on a false premise.

So, which is it?

You are attempting to present me with an argument called "the fallacy of false choice." You limit my answers to "either or" with the implication that there are only two answers, when in fact there may be another answer.

You are also presenting me with the fallacy of "argumentum ad numerum/argumentum and populum", as well as the fallacy of "argumentum ad verecundiam" I'm not going to bother answering fallacies.

Numbers don not prove truth. Popularity doesn't prove truth. Authority does not prove truth either.

Do you know what proves truth? Evidence. The evidence indicates that the Country has been badly misled by British Trained lawyers, (several of who wrote books) and by a mis comprehensions of the intent of the founders when they created article II.

191 posted on 05/06/2013 2:55:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
So who's the troll? You are.

And now Jeff is back to his Kindergarten level tu quoque argument of "I know you are but what am I?"

What a child.

192 posted on 05/06/2013 2:56:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston
So who's the troll? You are.

Yup, this is Jeff's level of discussion.

193 posted on 05/06/2013 2:58:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: allmendream
Would that be contingent upon Panama not offering anyone born in Panama citizenship at birth - or would such a Panamanian law be completely irrelevant to his status as a natural born citizen of the USA?

Panamanian law is irrelevant to the status of American citizens. That being said, McCain was born on the Navy Base in Panama, not in Colon, as so many people falsely claim.

194 posted on 05/06/2013 3:00:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Nero Germanicus
As did Virginia Minor’s appeal, unanimously.

Minor v Happersett is not a case of the court getting something wrong. It is a case of the court getting something right. Courts get things wrong sometimes, and that is the point.

195 posted on 05/06/2013 3:02:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: allmendream
Does my natural right to keep and bear arms require the 2nd Amendment?

Depends on what you mean. The natural right exists, but whether the government recognizes it or not is no sure thing. Articulating it in the Constitution certainly helps the ability to hold on to it.

The Government has a tendency to interpret the Second Amendment in the same way you guys interpret Article II; As having a nonsensical meaning and causing stupid results.

The BEST argument against you is that YOUR interpretation produces stupid results. The founders weren't stupid.

196 posted on 05/06/2013 3:07:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Do you know what proves truth? Evidence. The evidence indicates that the Country has been badly misled by British Trained lawyers, (several of who wrote books) and by a mis comprehensions of the intent of the founders when they created article II.

So, as I posited in one alternative, your answer boils down to an assertion that, for over 200 years, constitutional scholars, lawyers, jurists and experts have been mistaken and it is only the birthers who have discovered the truth.

Isn't that about it?

Okay, whatever you say...

197 posted on 05/06/2013 3:11:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I agree. The Fourteenth Amendment did not give women the right to vote. That’s why the 19th Amendment was necessary.


198 posted on 05/06/2013 3:12:23 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I agree that the eligibility for POTUSA is a matter of concern as expressed by the Founders i.e. no foreign allegiance. Not withstanding all comments and subsequent laws that are argued as to eligibility I look at what is actually in the Constitution, at least the version I have. 1)Section 1 ARTICLE II is explicit and defining in that “No person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;......”. This is a distinct expression of difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’ and this distinction is carried into ARTICLE I Sections 2 and 3 as to Congresspersons. 2) Amendment XIV Ratified July 9, 1868 Section 1 stipulates “ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”. This amendment mentions nothing about such persons being considered as ‘natural born citizens’ only plain ‘citizens’. This is consistent with previous constructions in the original Constitution. One can ask what is missing or discrepant between Article II and Amendment XIV. I will argue that what is such is the factor of parentage which was included in the debates of the Founding Fathers and very wisely so.


199 posted on 05/06/2013 3:13:19 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thanks, that may be the reference I lost, but I think it was much older than 1934. Will do a search tonight.


200 posted on 05/06/2013 3:21:18 PM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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