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14,000 Idle Wind Turbines a Testament to Failed Energy Policies
The New American ^ | Apr. 11, 2013 | Bob Adelmann

Posted on 04/12/2013 8:32:43 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

When Element Power announced on April 10 the closing of a deal to build wind turbines for Blackrock in Ireland, nothing was said about the more than 14,000 other wind turbines lying idle around the world.

Nothing was said about Element’s recent termination of another deal to build 40 wind turbines over 4,000 acres on top of Black Lava Butte and Flat Top Mesa in California, citing in its “request to relinquish” that there were “insufficient wind resources” to make that project viable.

Those 14,000 wind turbines lying idle in California’s Altamont Pass, Tehachapin, and San Gorgonio areas and elsewhere around the world are testimony to the continuing and accelerating failure of hope over experience, funded with taxpayer monies. And these areas were selected as being “in the best wind spots on earth,” which are now, according to Natural News writer Jonathan Benson, just “spinning, post-industrial junk which generates nothing but bird kills.”

Wind farms do not generate electricity on any commercially competitive level.

It’s a Ponzi scheme, concluded Delingpole, promoted as a way to siphon funds from those taxpayers into the pockets of investment managers like BlackRock and manufacturers like Element Power, despite evidence that such “investments” have no chance whatever of returning a profit with them. Delingpole explained:

The evidence for man-made global warming is vanishingly small, to the point of non-existence. The only people predicting disastrous man-made climate-change catastrophe are computer modelers and economists who are part of this green Ponzi scheme....

[Wind power] is … a catastrophic failure of judgment. [It is] stupendously inefficient and ludicrously expensive.... So unreliable are wind turbines — thanks to the wind’s constant vagaries — that they are one of the most inefficient means of producing electricity ever devised.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: climatechange; cronycapitalism; cronysocialism; energy; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; turbine; wind
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It’s clear then that the evidence against wind farming will just continue to pile up at taxpayers’ expense until finally the sham is sufficiently exposed, or governments sufficiently chastened, or taxpayers sufficiently angered, to end the subsidies.

But what will happen to those idle wind turbines that now reflect nothing more than a standing graveyard of reminders to a failed ideology? That remains an open question. If there’s not enough money to maintain them, where will the money come from to tear them down?

1 posted on 04/12/2013 8:32:43 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

At least the eagles aren’t getting chopped up.


2 posted on 04/12/2013 8:36:32 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Another reason for drug testing our feral employees.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 8:36:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: EXCH54FE

They are going to find out the same thing about all those solar panels when the plexiglass begins to opacify from exposure to the sun’s rays.


4 posted on 04/12/2013 8:38:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: EXCH54FE

The Democrats might as well spend all our money on pixie dust. You have to wonder what Obama’s motivation is for investing in alternative energy companies that go belly-up soon afterward. How much of it is finding its way back into his own pocket? Or the pockets of other Democrats?


5 posted on 04/12/2013 8:38:26 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: EXCH54FE
If there’s not enough money to maintain them, where will the money come from to tear them down?

Even if they worked, they still need to be replaced every 10 to 20 years.
6 posted on 04/12/2013 8:39:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EXCH54FE

I was in the western part of Oklahoma yesterday and about 10% of these wind generators were not spinning and these are fairly new, well-maintained wind farms. I also noticed the name Suzlon on one of them. Apparently India is the manufacturer of these wind generators in Oklahoma.

These monstrosities will pepper the landscape here, rotting away after the subsidy gravy train stops.


7 posted on 04/12/2013 8:43:26 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: cripplecreek

A lot of the unused turbines are still spinning and killing birds. People drive by and think they are generating, but they are just whirligigs.


8 posted on 04/12/2013 8:44:33 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: EXCH54FE
Report: Michigan added more wind power capacity in 2012 than most other states

We're number 1 in stupid. Actually we're number 1 in having an elitist minority with their hands in the pocket of the taxpayers.
9 posted on 04/12/2013 8:44:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EXCH54FE
This article from the John Birch Society tells you what you want to hear.

OTOH, an article this morning at Fuel Fix points out that the US led the world in adding windpower in 2012.

40% of the new power capacity added in the US during 2012 was wind. 32% was nat gas, and the remainder was coal, nuke and other renewables.

10 posted on 04/12/2013 8:47:08 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Oldexpat

Lawsuits are mounting here in Michigan.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3005572/posts

I’d be madder than hell if I were forced to look at those monuments to stupidity every day. Meanwhile we’re tearing out dams that could generate electricity and actually create property value. I myself live on a reservoir.


11 posted on 04/12/2013 8:47:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mountainlion
You bet! And to think that we in the People's Republic of Maryland just had our legislature approve and offshore wind farm to generate electricity.

In spits of all the evidence and the protest of the people, we are going to get it ...."good and hard" as Mencken would have said.

12 posted on 04/12/2013 8:50:30 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: EXCH54FE

My family and I drove through Kansas on our way to Denver and saw hundreds of these things. We stopped at the welcome center at the CO border and asked them about the wind turbines. I expected an eco-lib-loving spiel about them and was surprised to hear from both employees at the welcome center that most of CO hates the turbines with a passion.

They claimed that each turbine cost $1 million to make, will take 5 years before they become profitable (assuming no parts replacement), and most of their parts are not slated to last 5 years. Those that do breakdown will likely be too expensive to repair and will simply sit there.


13 posted on 04/12/2013 8:50:38 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: Ben Ficklin; EXCH54FE

>> “OTOH, an article this morning at Fuel Fix points out that the US led the world in adding windpower in 2012.” <<

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That is not a good thing!

Wind power adds nothing to our generating capacity, because when we add wind capacity we have to add an equal amount of conventional back-up for it to be reliable; wind just doesn’t blow consistently. Wind power is foolishness unless it is used to lift pumped storage. JBS speaks the truth that you don’t want to hear. They’ve been doing that for 55 years without a single error.


14 posted on 04/12/2013 8:54:35 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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15 posted on 04/12/2013 8:54:41 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Ben Ficklin

And your point would be what?


16 posted on 04/12/2013 8:55:22 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: Uncle Chip
>> “They are going to find out the same thing about all those solar panels when the plexiglass begins to opacify from exposure to the sun’s rays.” <<

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Jibberish!

The only place where plastic is used in standard solar panels is as a backing film on the bottom side of the lower glass sheet that supports the crystals.

17 posted on 04/12/2013 8:58:54 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Ben Ficklin
40% of the new power capacity added in the US during 2012 was wind.

I suspect that is 40% of squat. Given the current administration, very little new capacity was added. Just another repeat of the failed Carter administration.

18 posted on 04/12/2013 8:59:41 AM PDT by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Pump storage is fine for some flat places but here in Michigan we have literally thousands of existing dams with at least 300 having enough head to generate power on par with wind. Dams also can last for centuries with proper maintenance. Plus they generate power 24/7 and actually create property value.


19 posted on 04/12/2013 9:00:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Pumped storage is viable only in extremely mountainous places like California and Oregon.

None of the other states have sufficient vertical relief to make it workable.


20 posted on 04/12/2013 9:05:31 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Smoking is hazardous to wind turbines’ health!


21 posted on 04/12/2013 9:09:39 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: EXCH54FE

“After CEO Bob Dudley announced that BP was abandoning the solar market last month, the oil giant will be selling its $3.1 billion worth of wind assets in the United States, as reported by Bloomberg.”

http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/bp-nyse-bp-sells-wind-assets/3250


22 posted on 04/12/2013 9:10:07 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m shocked that liberals allow them to smoke! ;-)


23 posted on 04/12/2013 9:10:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: EXCH54FE

They seem to be working well in northern Japan.


24 posted on 04/12/2013 9:11:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: editor-surveyor

Meanwhile they’re trying to tear out the Hetch hetchy dam in CA.

All I know is that if wind were really about green energy they wouldn’t be tearing out dams.


25 posted on 04/12/2013 9:12:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Jibberish!

Hahhh --

Any plastic exposed to the sun will opacify in time, even the "backing film on the bottom side of the lower glass sheet that supports the crystals".

26 posted on 04/12/2013 9:12:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: WHBates
You may, or may not have, heard of the CREZ Project in Texas. The Lege authorized that in 2005, the PUC awarded contracts in 2009, so 6+ billion in new windlines will be completed at the end of this year.

So all those potential generators, who up until then, have had no way to get their windpower to market will begin to move forward. Of course they will be pushing for Congress to extend the subsidies into 2014.

It wouldn't hurt if Congress or Obama would make the decision to export nat gas. That would probaly raise the domestic price for nat gas and if & when that price gets up to $5.50-$7.50, those wind mills get a lot more profitable.

27 posted on 04/12/2013 9:14:57 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Uncle Chip

You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

Eight nof my panels are 15 years old, and their plastic is as soft and flexible as the day I bought them. The sun never gets to the bottom of something that is attached to a roof.


28 posted on 04/12/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: EXCH54FE; All

It sounds like wind farms were never a science, just an unquestioned excuse, like global warming, to petition “the government” for funds, regardless that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to tax and spend for such purposes.

Also, note that one wind farm mechanic has commented that wind farms require appreciable maintenance to keep operational even if there is wind.


29 posted on 04/12/2013 9:18:16 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: EXCH54FE

Another waste of TAXPAYERS’ money!!!


30 posted on 04/12/2013 9:23:10 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Rand Paul/Ben Carson should be the 2016 Ticket!)
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To: Uncle Chip

“solar panels when the plexiglass “

I know you are being funny but the panels are so heavy that its real glass.


31 posted on 04/12/2013 9:28:08 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: aimhigh
It doesn't have anything to do with Jimmy Carter.

It all revolves around nat gas.

The nat gas shortages in 2001 and 2002(remember Enron) set off the first wave of windmill building. Then the Katrina related nat gas shortages set off the second wave.

Now we have excess nat gas, but when we start exporting nat gas the price goes up so wind, coal, & nukes become more profitable

32 posted on 04/12/2013 9:29:13 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah but we stopped their BS with their attempted Constitutional Amendment for live time funds.

Where I work, we put up both a Solar Array and Wind Turbine.
The makers of the Turbine are now in Chapter whatever, bought out by G.E. Supposedly. Can’t get support, parts or service. It was installed in October. Enegery Monitoring software/hardware does not work so who knows if it is generating or just chasing birds.

The 6 segment solar array is generating electricity. One a clear sky day it generates about 25 cents worth of electricity (3-5 kwh). Well worth the 10-15k investment. /s
This specific system requires 3 phase power to the array to power the drive that tracks the sun and monitoring hardware.

Of course this was purchased with public tax dollars. No sensable person on a budget they have to watch would even consider such a waste.


33 posted on 04/12/2013 9:35:39 AM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: editor-surveyor

So you think that the plastic in those solar panels never grow old enough that the panels have to be replaced??? If that is so, given their popularity, then why do communities have special rules regarding the disposal of these panels.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 9:40:16 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Telepathic Intruder
You have to wonder what Obama’s motivation is for investing in alternative energy companies that go belly-up soon afterward. How much of it is finding its way back into his own pocket? Or the pockets of other Democrats?

I do not wonder at all. It is just as you said. Were it economical, private investors would be doing it. It is called crony capitalism, and Obama's buddies are doing quite well by it. Taxpayers are paying for losing investments.

35 posted on 04/12/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: VRWCarea51
Yeah but we stopped their BS with their attempted Constitutional Amendment for live time funds.

That was a disaster that even the supporters admitted was virtually impossible. They just wanted it in the state constitution to grab money and prevent other working sorces of energy for being built.

Proposal 3 would require that the state add as many as 13 times more wind turbines in Michigan than currently operate. Proposal 3 would mandate that 25 percent of Michigan’s energy come from renewable sources. Wind is expected to be the primary supplier of renewable energy if the proposal passes.

Advocates and experts predict 2,300 to 3,790 nearly 500-feet high wind turbines would have to be added to meet the 25-percent mandate. Michigan currently has 292 wind turbines in operation.


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Most of Michigan is 'Poor' or 'Marginal' For Wing Energy

One thing about that map. Almost all of those red and purple areas are off limits now and erecting windmills off shore makes them twice as expensive to erect and maintain.
36 posted on 04/12/2013 9:45:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Uncle Chip
You need to make the distinction in PV solar and thermal solar aka concentrating solar by which parabolic glass mirrors are used concentrate the sun's rays to generate steam to spin the turbine.

Thermal solar is a lot cheaper than PV solar so most of your utility grade solar farms are of the thermal type.

This is not to say that as the PV panels get cheaper and other long term financing options are available there won't be more rooftop generating(residential and commercial)

37 posted on 04/12/2013 9:55:13 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: editor-surveyor; George from New England

How long do solar panels last?

Solar photovoltaics slowly lose their generating capacity. Although some solar panels are still working satisfactorily 40 years after installation, the conventional view is that most will dip below 80% of their rated capacity within about 20 years. This will vary slightly between manufacturers and between different types of silicon.

http://www.scitizen.com/future-energies/how-long-do-solar-panels-last-_a-14-2897.html


38 posted on 04/12/2013 10:13:47 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The plastics will outlast the crystals.


39 posted on 04/12/2013 10:54:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Uncle Chip

>> “How long do solar panels last?” <<

That depends on what type of crystals they have, and how effectively they are darkened.

Most panels are unconditionally guaranteed for 25 years these days.

Most crystals actually can be re-darkened by removing them from the back of the glass face withe solvents (retched vapors) then sticking them back on, which should last for about another 20 years.

PV remains full of unknowns as to ultimately how long they will last. Emerging technologies are bringing improvments in efficiency levels too, so some panels may get replaced for that reason.


40 posted on 04/12/2013 11:03:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: EXCH54FE

I like the source, the New American. Never heard of it previously.


41 posted on 04/12/2013 11:44:22 AM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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42 posted on 04/12/2013 12:14:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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To: EXCH54FE

But what will happen to those idle wind turbines that now reflect nothing more than a standing graveyard of reminders to a failed ideology?


One of my farmers showed me the contract that at the end the foundations would be removed to 16 inches below ground level.

I smiled and thought it sounds good but there isn’t going to be any money left at the end.........................


43 posted on 04/12/2013 12:16:53 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: EXCH54FE

In any other industry that requires the use of large tacts of land, ie mining, logging, a very hefty bond is required and a reclamation plan is submitted for review and approval.

It looks like wind farming, which is currently in favor, is not required to jump through the same regulatory hoops that the rest of the dirty industries have to.

If the mining industry blighted the landscape as much as these stupid turbines do, there would be a public outcry.


44 posted on 04/12/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: EXCH54FE
If there’s not enough money to maintain them, where will the money come from to tear them down?

Let the word leak out that they have lots of copper in them, and watch them disappear overnight.

45 posted on 04/12/2013 1:31:53 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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46 posted on 04/12/2013 8:02:52 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: cripplecreek

A couple years ago, near “the city of evil” in Central NYState, I had an extensive conversation with a liberal activist. She had been very active in the Seattle area as far as beating the bushes FOR wind power.

Something like five years later, she had moved here, and was adamantly against building ANY windmills. No need to go into the reasons why,,, they are all the common sense things conservatives such as you and I have known all along.

She has been very active in the movement in opposition here - - - - good thing since there are not any where near the number of conservatives needed to defeat such “green” movements.


47 posted on 04/12/2013 8:54:49 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: EXCH54FE

Thanks for sharing! Excellent article.


48 posted on 04/13/2013 9:28:29 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: cripplecreek
Even if they worked, they still need to be replaced every 10 to 20 years.

But it will take 815 years to recoup the original investment (at 0% interest).

49 posted on 04/13/2013 9:34:32 AM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Wind has never been profitable. Hence the subsidy.

(You are correct about the effects of exports on NG prices)

50 posted on 04/13/2013 9:44:06 AM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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