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Cops shoot teen gunman dead in Brooklyn (Dead perp photo at link...)
NY Daily News ^ | 3/10/13 | KENNETH GARGER and LARRY CELONA

Posted on 03/10/2013 2:05:10 PM PDT by jimbo123

Undercover cops fatally shot a teenager in Brooklyn last night after he pointed a loaded gun at an officer, police sources and witnesses said.

Kimani Gray, 16, was shot in the leg and stomach when he whipped out a .38-caliber revolver after adjusting the waistband on his pants, said cops.

The two undercover officers, driving a red umarked car, had approached the group of teens because they were acting suspiciously on East 52nd Street near Snyder Street in East Flatbush just before 11:30 p.m.

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To: Salamander
this is my rifle....this is my gun..]

If I am not mistaken, R Lee Ermey said that.

51 posted on 03/10/2013 3:30:00 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: jimbo123
If Obama had a son...

He would own a $10,000 one of a kind Citori and shoot Skeetles ... all payed for by non-sequestered taxpayer dollars.

52 posted on 03/10/2013 3:30:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: umgud

How much fire power did the cops lay on? The cops only hit Kimani twice, once fatal?


53 posted on 03/10/2013 3:33:43 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: South Dakota

http://www.sff.net/people/sanders/ammo.jpg

First 2 in this comparison pic are the 357 Magnum and the 38 Special. Roughly 1/8” longer case on the 357 but much larger powder charge is normally loaded.

Here is a very good article comparing many hand gun cartridges. The number that will accept the same diameter bullet is amazing.

“CALIBERS AND CARTRIDGES”

http://www.sff.net/people/sanders/rrdws3.html

Most of those who shoot do not know how many bullets can be substituted in a pinch. I have a 170 grain bullet mold that I bought to cast bullets for my Winchester 94 30/30, but the same bullet can be loaded in both 308 and 30-06 cartridges. It works fine.

In the even it is hard to get factory bullets, cast pistol and rifle bullets are a good substitute. Expecially on the pistols, because of the slower muzzle velocity.


54 posted on 03/10/2013 3:36:24 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: tuffydoodle

He would have gotten shot if it was a realistic looking toy.


You are so right on. You just can’t mess around with guns or gun look-alikes in the presence of law enforcement.


55 posted on 03/10/2013 3:38:00 PM PDT by bytesmith
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To: jimbo123
Kimani - Ubangi for "Affican Prince".
56 posted on 03/10/2013 3:38:26 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: 23 Everest

“Also, was it a 38 or 357?”

Maybe a.357 loaded with 38’s


57 posted on 03/10/2013 3:39:15 PM PDT by Figment
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To: jimbo123

“He was such a good boy ... “

No, he was a stupid boy who died because he was a moron with a gun. Think of his passing as culling the gene pool of the unfit for civil society.


58 posted on 03/10/2013 3:39:39 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Raven6

I have fired Astra semi aura pistols. Not bad. Heard of Rohm. Never saw one. I can’t get a clear picture on my smart phone.

I love revolvers and semi auto pistols. I am old school though and prefer my smiths, colts, Rugers and 1911s. I have heard good and bad things about Glocks. But if I was going to buy European it would be sig, beretta or Walther and metal. (Though for pocket carry on a hot day I might consider a Ruger LCP or LC 9. My son has an LCP and at feel your hot breath distances it never fails to function)


59 posted on 03/10/2013 3:40:29 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Texas Fossil
In the even[sic] it is hard to get factory bullets, cast

I wonder if black powder can be substiuted as a propellent in case ammo "in an emergency"?

60 posted on 03/10/2013 3:40:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jimbo123

At least this time it didn’t take 41 shots.


61 posted on 03/10/2013 3:41:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Right Wing Assault
Devonte - Ubangi for "Affican Prince"
62 posted on 03/10/2013 3:41:26 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: bytesmith
You just can’t mess around with guns or gun look-alikes in the presence of law enforcement.

Or anyone else who carries a gun and is serious about self defense.

63 posted on 03/10/2013 3:43:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: jimbo123

The Post ran this? The title sounds very AP/liberal with the new use of the word gunman, which for most people indicates a politically motivated shooting, or some nutcase going on a spree. Notice how he’s got a prior of inciting a riot, which you can get for brandishing a gun on the street in a threatening manner.


64 posted on 03/10/2013 3:44:59 PM PDT by muttonbuster
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To: Raven6

I thought that was an RG from the pic in the article, you nailed it. Junk German POS saturday night special, barely better than nothing.... Barely. ;)


65 posted on 03/10/2013 3:45:55 PM PDT by W. (It's five o'clock somewhere...)
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To: Figment

Hey everyone, my original post was to poke at the idiot writer of the article. I guess he hit the, “I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.” button before proof reading. Or like most journalist, he is ignorant about guns.

And for the dolt that thinks that his .02cents is worth more than mine, bugger you.

A .38 is different from a .357. Yes you can use 38 caliber bullets in a .357 but NOT the other way around. Talk about eating your own!


66 posted on 03/10/2013 3:47:47 PM PDT by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: central_va

I fire my 200 grain cowboy action, lead round nose .454” bullets made for .45 Colt in my .45 ACP 1911 Remington rand. Very accurate. I do not like black powder cleanup And would not use BP or lead bullets in gas operates semi autos. I have a couple of 5 gallon buckets of lead, so that should last me. I won’t say how much. But I do have powder primers and jacketed bullets. At my age it should last me. I worry about my boys running out.


67 posted on 03/10/2013 3:50:59 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: jimbo123

Why those racist JBTs!


68 posted on 03/10/2013 3:51:03 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: jimbo123; mickie
Looks like from now on Miss Mom will be about $800 permanently short in her monthly aid-to-dependent-children stash.

Pity.

Leni

69 posted on 03/10/2013 3:51:09 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: libstripper

Well, I can do dumber than that. One of my hobbies is shooting groundhogs, and one of my rifles is a Remington Model 700 chambered in .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake—which reduces recoil but increases muzzle blast. Made the one-time mistake of touching a round off using the hood of my truck as a rest. The sound waves of course bounced off the windshield glass and about blew my left eardrum.


70 posted on 03/10/2013 3:53:11 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: central_va

I guess that would depend on the size of the case. Black powder cartridges were effectively full when that cartridge was loaded.

So far my local gun shop has been able to supply my powder needs OK. I just bought 2 lbs. of 3031 and a lb. of Unique last week.

Brass has been a little tougher to get. Have been supplementing my on hand inventory since early January. Except for a few shotshell items I am in pretty good shape now. Will probably add a few more calibers to my reloading die collection. I don’t shoot exotics, but feel compelled to prepare a bit more than normal.

Until recently all I ever loaded was for my 221 fireball and for shotshells. Have loaded those for many years, since back in the 60’s and 70’s.

I decided in January to upgrade my reloading press and added most for what we already are shooting.

Until the ammo shortage, reloading did not make that much sense. I did not shoot enough rounds for it to be worth the setup and time cost.

Now, it is about having ammo, not cost.


71 posted on 03/10/2013 3:53:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: ArmyTeach
How much fire power did the cops lay on? The cops only hit Kimani twice, once fatal?

Yup, it's hard to concieve the cops only fired a few rounds.

72 posted on 03/10/2013 3:59:59 PM PDT by umgud
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To: rrrod

I beleive it’s a Colt Trooper MK-III .357 Magnum


73 posted on 03/10/2013 4:13:39 PM PDT by MCF
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To: 23 Everest

Interchangable in only one direction. 357 doesn`t go in 38.


74 posted on 03/10/2013 4:15:36 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: TNoldman

Not true. A .357 cartridge will slide right into a pistol marked .38 or .38 special and it will fire. The problem isn’t that the .357 cartridge won’t “go in” a .38 the problem is that a gun made for .38s or .38 specials is not made to handle the pressure. It might blow apart in your hand.


75 posted on 03/10/2013 4:21:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: smokingfrog
"We’ll never know what he might have become."

POTUS would be my guess, given the idiot voters we have now.

76 posted on 03/10/2013 4:22:20 PM PDT by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: Bringbackthedraft
16 year old? He looks about 12.

Who knows when that pictures was taken. The msm likes playing with pictures. They showed younger pictures of St. Skittles and Lanza. They showed Zimmerman at a heavier weight and gave the usurper a buff body and different colored clothes. They lighten and darkened OJ's, the usurper's and Zimmerman's skin color depending on the slant of the story. It's all a game with them.

77 posted on 03/10/2013 4:26:33 PM PDT by bgill
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To: jimbo123

Wonder where he stole the gun from?

If obozo had a son......


78 posted on 03/10/2013 4:26:35 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jimbo123
Gray had a rap sheet that included charges of grand larceny and inciting a riot, police sources said.

So this kid and Trayvon used to hang together.

79 posted on 03/10/2013 4:28:29 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's vision - No Job is a Good Job)
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To: jimbo123

an expiring rapper...his shelf life was up. According to reincarnation he’ll come back as a cockroach or a bedbug


80 posted on 03/10/2013 4:34:22 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

No, she’s waiting for Je$$e Jack$$son to say all those things. That’s his job.


81 posted on 03/10/2013 4:35:19 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Mark17

He may have but the perp apparently did not.

:)


82 posted on 03/10/2013 4:48:50 PM PDT by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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To: TigersEye

He’d probably saw it off. Judging from that picture of him where he isn’t leaning into the gun whatsoever, I’d surmise he isn’t the most skilled shot in the world. I was thinking more along the lines of a Perazzi with gold hula girl inlays that shoots rose petals.


83 posted on 03/10/2013 4:57:34 PM PDT by muttonbuster
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To: muttonbuster
I was thinking more along the lines of a Perazzi with gold hula girl inlays that shoots rose petals.

ROTFLOL Maybe a choom field background with a smoking doobie on one side.

My father wouldn't have let me pull the trigger on a shotgun until I learned to shoulder it properly. It's a long reach back for my memory but I think I already knew that from handling BB guns and .22s for a few years before I was introduced to the wonderful world of shotgunning. 0bama's such a douche!

84 posted on 03/10/2013 5:10:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Contra the criminal technique; when presented a situation, watch the hands. All sorts of yelling and commotion when the cops show up, but I’m deaf. So there’s five sets of hands to scrutinize. Hand-hand-hand-hand-hand/firearm: GO. Sort it out later in a more civilized environment. No excuse to draw on the cops, or any citizen on the street. None at all. Do it and you’re dust. Lethal force is always bad PR as far as cops vs. bystanders go, but the wages of sin, or overconfidence in yourself just because you’re packing is....


85 posted on 03/10/2013 5:12:43 PM PDT by Seven plus One
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To: TNoldman; All

Please note interchangeable cylinders of .357 Mag (9mm) and
.44 Colt(.45 Auto):
http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelBlackhawkConvertible/models.html

Ruger also makes a Convertible .22 LR/ .22 Mag.
http://www.ruger.com/products/newModelSingleSixConvertible/models.html


86 posted on 03/10/2013 5:26:39 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Waiting for the Golden Screw to be removed from Obama's navel and his a$$ falls off!)
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To: 23 Everest

***A .38 is different from a .357. Yes you can use 38 caliber bullets in a .357 but NOT the other way around. Talk about eating your own!***

Years ago, Skeeter Skelton, gun editor of SHOOTING TIMES, found that there were some .38s with too deep chambers that would chamber a .357 mag round.

I have a lot of .38 spl military cases that I have loaded very hot to shoot in a .357 lever action rifle. They have a warning not to shoot them in a .38 spl pistol.


87 posted on 03/10/2013 5:44:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: smokingfrog

another treet agitatorlike the one in our whitehouse?


88 posted on 03/10/2013 6:07:23 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: Raven6

Not a Colt or S&W.
I thought it was an ASTRA but my book THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF HANDGUNS by A B ZHUK shows, on page 81, it to be an piece of Rohm GmbH junk. A RG-57 to be exact.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/jbar4ranch/RG57.jpg&imgrefurl=http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t%3D408267&h=463&w=624&sz=43&tbnid=Df3W0H5l849XxM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=121&zoom=1&usg=__ahPZLhqhNKj_7zLAFwgy47S0pc0=&docid=6ednzh0jc4XhjM&sa=X&ei=gi49UaW3A8qU2AWH9ICoAg&ved=0CEQQ9QEwAw&dur=166


89 posted on 03/10/2013 6:09:20 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Feckless
Devonte - Ubangi for "Affican Prince"

Ever see "Coming to America" with Eddie Murphy? Just think what Devonte could have been had he only been allowed to live!!

But no, those wyatt men had to shoot him down when he wasn't running but was only pointing a gun at police.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYl6y8qGqw

90 posted on 03/10/2013 6:37:07 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: jimbo123

“The teenager’s friends refused to say exactly what prompted the cops to fire”

Someone pull a gun on me, and I’ll shoot too


91 posted on 03/10/2013 6:48:21 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You beat me to it.

The cylinder release is the first clue.

The cylinder release, coupled with the shape of the hammer, then the unshrouded base pin... means it’s a Rohm.

It’s a piece of crap. Cheap metal, poorly fitted. It’s a piece of crap, through and through. I’ve seen guys put inordinate amounts of effort into trying to fix Rohm .22LR revolvers.

Personally, I’d rather rub cow patties into my hair before I owned one.


92 posted on 03/10/2013 7:16:43 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: bytesmith

” the perp would have gotten shot if he pointed a .22 at an officer.”

He would have been shot if he pointed a Chihuahua at an officer!;)


93 posted on 03/10/2013 7:18:58 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: jimbo123

And lets not for get he was an entreprenuer and a father of 8


94 posted on 03/10/2013 7:23:52 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: bgill

And was it ABC that digitally “removed” the blood from Zimmerman’s scalp?! Scum!


95 posted on 03/10/2013 7:23:57 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Vaquero

It’s not a Colt or S&W. I’d guess maybe Rossi or older Taurus. I don’t regard Glocks very higly, but they’re light years better than the off-brand junker in the pic.


96 posted on 03/10/2013 7:24:48 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Vaquero

I still think it’s a low-end pot-metal junker. It’s certainly not a Colt or S&W.


97 posted on 03/10/2013 7:26:17 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: South Dakota

No Colt Trooper ever had a crane like that. It’s several steps lower than that.


98 posted on 03/10/2013 7:28:52 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Raven6

Yeah, I’m thinking Astra. Couldn’t think of the name. Astra also made some good quality guns, but that one’s a couple of cuts below a Colt or S&W.


99 posted on 03/10/2013 7:30:55 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: TigersEye

A .38 Special gun will not chamber a .357. The .357 case is 1/10th inch longer to keep idiots from blowing themselves up.


100 posted on 03/10/2013 7:34:32 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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