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Boy Scouts Must Reconcile Gay Issue
Newsmax ^ | 2/11/2013 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 02/11/2013 12:44:49 PM PST by MacNaughton

The bosses of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) surprised everyone this week by postponing their decision on whether to allow gay leaders and gay scouts to join their ranks.

If the BSA's long-standing ban on gays is lifted by national officials in May, the choice to admit gays may be left to local Boy Scout chapters — as it should be.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscout; bsa; culturewars; homosexual; homosexualagenda; michaelreagan
A disappointing POV by the son of the great Ronaldus Maximus. I did not know he had been molested as a kid. Can't really argue against his calling a spade a spade with respect to the BSA, RCC, and PSU. Sadly, they all are long timeline cases of leadership failure when it comes to dealing effectively with pedophiles.

The info I have been reading all agree that homosexuals (<3% of the total population) commit 20-33% of the child molestations. I have to disagree with Michael Reagan when he declares that homosexuality and pedophilia do not intersect.

Two key points have leaked out regarding the BSA National Executive Board's cluster-flop performance regarding adopting the "local option."

1. Constitutional lawyers informed BSA national that they would probably not win the next SCOTUS case on this issue and that the last case (Dale vs. BSA, 2000) was a 5 to 4 decision, which could have gone the other way.

2. BSA has usurped for many years the Chartered Organization's ability to select and approve their own leadership as they see fit and not as the BSA sees fit. (Violation of BSA's "Declaration of Religious Principles")

There is a lot of talk going on among veteran volunteer scouters in blue states who advocate that BSA should be restructered, i.e., keep BSA national but provide seperate scouting programs for e.g., BSA-orthdox, BSA-diversity, and Exploring. Afterall, Mormon troops have been reserving a designated Mormon week at council summer camps for at least 10 years. Plus, a commonly cited example is Germany where there are currently ~150 different scouting associations. The BSA-diversity charter institutions, primarily churches would include ...

Reform Judaism
Conservative Judaism
Universalist/ Unitarian
United Church of Christ
Disciples of Christ - The Christian Church
Episcopal
Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
Presbyterian Church in the USA
Moravian
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Church
Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists

About 69% of all unit charters are held by religious denominations. The BSA-diversity churches listed above, with the exceptions of the ELCA and PCUSA, make up a minority of the chartered units.

The bigger problems come with the UMC (Methodist) and LDS (Mormon) churches. It is hard to read where the UMC will come down on this. They are holding their cards close to their chest regarding the "local option". In DEC 2012, the LDS church showed signs on their web-site that their resolve against homosexuals in their scouting units may be wavering. The current BSA (volunteer) president, Wayne Perry, is a life-long Mormon. The LDS church leads all denominations in the numbmer of units chartered and scouts registered. The UMC is 2nd and the RCC is 3rd.

1 posted on 02/11/2013 12:44:51 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

I really hope they don’t cave. If ever this country needs strong moral guidance for our boys and girls it’s now.


2 posted on 02/11/2013 12:52:34 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: MacNaughton

“as it should be”

Reagan is an idiot.


3 posted on 02/11/2013 12:54:16 PM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Huskrrrr

teach th eyoung that beliefs, morals, and integrity are subject to popular opinion. ye that’s scuting today


4 posted on 02/11/2013 12:55:57 PM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: MacNaughton

Just say no.....I wouldn’t want one camping with my sons. They’re ALL predators. How do you think they uphold their population??


5 posted on 02/11/2013 1:00:41 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MacNaughton
Boy Scouts Must Reconcile Gay Issue

1. They had problems with the disease-ridden boy-rapers in the past.
2. They don't want problems with disease-ridden boy-rapers now.

Where's the issue?

6 posted on 02/11/2013 1:02:22 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: MacNaughton
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the choice to admit gays may be left to local Boy Scout chapters — as it should be.

Bull! The individual chapters would then be singled out one by one and bankrupted with legal costs until they fold to the Freak agenda.
7 posted on 02/11/2013 1:02:54 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: MacNaughton

If the BSA does not stand up for their own principals then why should the rest of us support them? What would they be? Just another tool for the sodomites to gain early access to young boys?

This should be a line in the sand for the BSA but I have a gut feeling they will, like all too many others, cave under the sodomites pressure exerted by their propaganda arm in the MSM.


8 posted on 02/11/2013 1:03:45 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: MacNaughton
The BSA's own files revealed that between 1970 and 1991 officials chose not to tell police about hundreds of alleged sexual abuses, and in some cases allowed the molesters to continue working or volunteering with the organization.

So from this we can tell that in cases where the pervert could harm children, the BSA got rid of him

When it comes to dealing with the sexual abuse of children, they've always chosen to protect their own institutions instead of protecting children.

This assertion is proven incorrect by the previous paragraph. Reagan should read his own text; he'd figure out that he is flat wrong on this issue.

9 posted on 02/11/2013 1:03:45 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: RedMDer

What are they going to do...isolate the homosexual Scouts at the big Jamboree they hold every year? These sick people can’t establish their own group. No, they have to flaunt their mental illness in the faces of normal people at every opportunity.


10 posted on 02/11/2013 1:06:30 PM PST by txrefugee
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11 posted on 02/11/2013 1:07:52 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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To: MacNaughton

“Boy Scouts Must Reconcile Gay Issue “

They did. It is a lifestyle that doesn’t fit with the charter and oath.

Done and done

“...and the free exercise thereof,...”


12 posted on 02/11/2013 1:10:00 PM PST by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: Huskrrrr
Maybe they should have Connie Francis signing “Where The Boys Are” as they decide the issue.
13 posted on 02/11/2013 1:13:24 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Ray76

Apparently so. Incredible.


14 posted on 02/11/2013 1:13:47 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: MacNaughton
Why MUST we reconcile with the sodomite issue?

Might as well say that we must reconcile with the burglar who wishes to invade our home.

15 posted on 02/11/2013 1:14:50 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: txrefugee
>> These sick people can’t establish their own group. <<

If they did create their own gay scouting organization ("Rainbow Scouts" or whatever), it wouldn't stop them from trying to infiltrate the Boy Scouts. For example, the Olympics allows openly gay athletes, but that doesn't stop the gays from hosting their own "Gay Games" every year. I discussed this with a gay dude and he didn't see any problem with it, pointed out they still have "Miss Black America" pageants even though the last two winners of Miss America pageant were black. Apparently if you claim you're oppressed, you not only get your own organization but you get to take over people's.

16 posted on 02/11/2013 1:16:01 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: txrefugee

Why don’t they form the Flaming Scouts?

They can get to together and listen to show tunes, Barbara Steisand and Judy Garland records.

Make center pieces and kavetch about the worst dressed women at the Oscars.


17 posted on 02/11/2013 1:18:13 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Times may change, but people don’t.

They should take the exact same stance they took when the organization was founded.


18 posted on 02/11/2013 1:23:38 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Huskrrrr

The head shed cannot do much without willing member organizations. They teach that class in Community Organization 101.


19 posted on 02/11/2013 1:23:38 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Mikey_1962

Reagan needs to go to the dictionary to look up the definition of pedophilia.


20 posted on 02/11/2013 1:29:39 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: MacNaughton

For a minute I thought maybe it was Ron Reagan, Michael’s brother, who said this.

No, Michael, absolutely not. That is just WRONG. If you don’t like it, just don’t join the Scouts.

Maybe Michael doesn’t want to hurt Ron’s feelings. Well, that doesn’t justify saying anything like this.


21 posted on 02/11/2013 1:32:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MacNaughton

“a child is no more at risk of being molested by a gay or bisexual man than a heterosexual one.”

But we are not talking about a “child” we are talking about “boy” scouts.

If 1000 homosexual men are in the woods overnight with little boys vs 1000 heterosexual men in the woods overnight with little boys.....to say there is no difference in the chance of a boy getting molested is asinine and defies all common sense.


22 posted on 02/11/2013 1:33:29 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: MacNaughton

“a child is no more at risk of being molested by a gay or bisexual man than a heterosexual one.”

But we are not talking about a “child” we are talking about “boy” scouts.

If 1000 homosexual men are in the woods overnight with little boys vs 1000 heterosexual men in the woods overnight with little boys.....to say there is no difference in the chance of a boy getting molested is asinine and defies all common sense.


23 posted on 02/11/2013 1:33:40 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo

The mark of a liberal is the badge of honor they wear for ignoring common sense.


24 posted on 02/11/2013 1:36:55 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: icwhatudo

The mark of a liberal is the badge of honor they wear for ignoring common sense.


25 posted on 02/11/2013 1:37:10 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: icwhatudo

The mark of a liberal is the badge of honor they wear for ignoring common sense.


26 posted on 02/11/2013 1:37:10 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Huskrrrr

The #1 recruiting method into the gay life is to be molested as a child.


27 posted on 02/11/2013 1:38:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ptsal
19 The head shed cannot do much without willing member organizations. They teach that class in Community Organization 101.

"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." Samuel Adams, 1722-1803

Ol' Sam almost sounds like an Alinsky disciple.

The fight seems to be settling down to 4 church denominations - (1) LDS, (2) UMC, (3) RCC, and (4) Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). The first 3 charter the most units. The SBC is not a big actor in BSA in terms of chartering units. It has its own male youth organization, the Royal Ambassadors (RAs), which it focuses upon. The first 3 denomination each has a national church committee which oversees its scouting outreach ministry. To date, only the SBC has voiced strong opposition to the "local option." The LDS and UMC have used weasel words in their public responses, essentially wait and see. The RCC response, though tepid, was somewhat more supportive of the status quo.

Of course, the volunteers in the trenches, i.e., the units, are bracing for the 3-month onslaught against BSA by all-things-homosexual. It will be interesting to see if the Honorary President of the BSA, POTUS #44 BHO, wades into the fray. Maybe even the SOTU Address tomorrow night?

28 posted on 02/11/2013 1:46:39 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Maybe the BSA can introduce a Fudge-packing Merit Badge.


29 posted on 02/11/2013 1:50:33 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: MacNaughton

If the BSA’s long-standing ban on gays is lifted by national officials in May, the choice to admit gays may be left to local Boy Scout chapters — as it should be.

WRONG.

Homosexuality is evil and has been condemned by most civilized societies for the perverted abberration it is. Further, Judaeo-Christian morality which helped create this country, clearly rejects it.


30 posted on 02/11/2013 2:00:58 PM PST by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: MacNaughton

Excellent post to provide more info as regards how this breaks out should a schism occur. I agree that M.Reagan has gone astray on this and your response to his assertion of non-intersection of the homosexual and pedophile groups.

The local option schism just opens too many liabilities for chartering organizations, IMO. They will choose to return their charters and units will fold. This will collapse membership numbers and Scouting in general will become only a fond memory for those who enjoyed it before others, who think the world revolves around how and with whom they use their genitalia, demanded their “rights.”


31 posted on 02/11/2013 2:02:31 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: RedMDer

exactly, it makes these chapters easier to go after.

The majority of child molestors on boys are done by men there-fore they are done by homosexual men.

Now who in the right mind thinks homosexuals are normal in the head?


32 posted on 02/11/2013 2:02:36 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MacNaughton

I’m OK in principle with that sort of split, but it leaves open the question of who controls the local council, properties, and council wide activities like summer and winter camps.


33 posted on 02/11/2013 2:22:58 PM PST by Martin Tell (It is the right, good old way you are in. Keep in it.)
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To: MacNaughton

“reconcile”: Liberal code word for ‘accept’.

Why are the faggots pedophiles so interested in demanding access to the Boy Scouts?


34 posted on 02/11/2013 2:24:50 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: MacNaughton

If the BSA’s long-standing ban on gays is lifted by national officials in May, total Scout ranks and assets/camos will shrink by 50% or more.


35 posted on 02/11/2013 2:26:02 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: MacNaughton

If the BSA’s long-standing ban on gays is lifted by national officials in May, total Scout ranks and assets/camps will shrink by 50% or more.


36 posted on 02/11/2013 2:26:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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“As it should be”....?!?

Bullcrap. You can’t have “morally straight” mean opposite things just because you change where you live. It’s a national organization and if there’s ambiguity about a moral issue it must be addressed at the highest scope of the organization so that EVERYONE is clear about what things are acceptable and what are not, within and across the entire organization.


37 posted on 02/11/2013 3:07:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MacNaughton

The BSA have handled this issue HORRIBLY over the past few weeks. They has just completed a two-year review, and reaffirmed their position re: homosexuality last July. That should have been end of story. Why they chose to re-open the question 6 months later is anyone’s guess....


38 posted on 02/11/2013 3:42:25 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Huskrrrr

I am not sure what was to be decided. Unless its just the money.

Nonetheless, I will not contribute to them until they decide. If my lack of financial support pushes them in them in the direction of allowing honosexuals. So be it.


39 posted on 02/11/2013 3:51:29 PM PST by super7man
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To: All

This wrong notion just serves to balkanize the country.

The Boy Scouts must KEEP the protection from homosexuals. PERIOD.

Homosexuals have no place around children.


40 posted on 02/11/2013 3:54:40 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ZULU

you don’t need a mere religion argument. Logic and reason support keepting the homosexuals away from children.

Even the ancient athenians STONED TO DEATH any homosexual acts with minors. (adults were summarily banished for life)


41 posted on 02/11/2013 3:57:21 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MacNaughton
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

The Boy Scouts aren't the real target. . it's the people of faith and their clergy. . ultimately its the bible. . .it must all be changed in order to legitimize the act of homosexuality.

NEXT: Stop preaching against homosexuality or face lawsuits and finally arrest

42 posted on 02/11/2013 5:22:18 PM PST by McBuff
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To: MacNaughton

“If the BSA’s long-standing ban on gays is lifted by national officials in May, the choice to admit gays may be left to local Boy Scout chapters — as it should be.”

No, it definitely should NOT be left to local chapters.

The BSA is one of the few organizations left in the entire United States which still adhere’s to traditional standards of mental and physical health - and THAT’S as it should be.


43 posted on 02/11/2013 6:33:49 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: MacNaughton

Sodomites and their willing accomplices are reprobates, rejected by God (see Romans 1). All these so called Christians and Christian organizations have rejected God’s word, his uncompromising counsel on this evil.


44 posted on 02/11/2013 7:02:32 PM PST by nonsporting
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