IF IT ONLY KILLS ONE MORE BABY IT'S WORTH IT!!!
I'M SOOOO NEUROTIC!
Posted on 01/21/2013 4:08:44 PM PST by NYer
Sadly you are historically correct. Yet there comes a time in every saga, when the tide turns. Dolan strikes me as a man who while giving an affable public personna, is ready to take definitive action, despite the cost, and reframe the argument since the times are as bad as they are and the carnage so great. However history suggests you are probably right.
But the timing would be great for Dolan to call Cuomo in for a meeting privately and tell him that any Catholic legislator who supports this atrocity—most of the State Assembly lives in the Arch of NY—will be publicly excommunicated. If Cuomo went forward anyway, it would be an international news story, even before any voting took place. It would wind up putting a lot of pressure on Hubbard, because the Vatican would take note, since the issue is so black-and-white.
What kind of pressure? Hubbard is 74. He will turn 75 in October of this year, the mandatory retirement age for a bishop. He will have to offer his resignation to the Pope, who can refuse it for a few years, or even until the bishop dies first (if the Pope likes him). Or he can accept the resignation immediately, which would be a slap in the face, and a black mark to end the disloyal clown's career. Hubbard can foresee all this. What would he do?
Cardinal Dolan has the power to set this all in motion. Will he? And as some Jewish sage said, "If not now—when?"
I suspect it all boils down to an absolute and total fearless and ignorant knowledge of God.
That won’t last much longer.
Catholic here and I wholeheartedly agree.
Cuomo is a disease and NY is very sick.
The only good thing about this bill is it hopefully dooms Cuaomo as a presidential nominee.
Let’s just put the abortion issue aside for a moment. I know most people don’t want to avert their gaze from this, but hear me out:
The central issue here is “who can call themselves a Roman Catholic?”
It always comes about in these types of threads that the more devout and observant Catholics will say “Well, so-and-so can call himself a Catholic, but his actions prove he isn’t one.”
Well, that’s all very well and nice, but here’s the thing: So-and-so *is* calling himself a Catholic, and he’s using that to gain votes from low-information voters who are, perhaps, more devoutly Catholic. These types of politicians are trading on their Catholic-by-assertion-not-acts branding to gain votes.
The First Amendment recognizes five fundamental freedoms. One of those freedoms is the freedom of association. Most everyone sees this as a “positive right” - ie, that you’re allowed to associate and form associations with those of a like mind.
Ah, but the “freedom of association” is also a negative right. Just as a Jewish congregation is under no pressure or encouragement to admit an admitted and avowed nazi or anti-semite, neither is the Catholic church forced to admit and/or recognize those who claim to be Catholic, yet act in ways completely contrary to the Church’s teachings or canon law. In other words, the Church has the right (per the freedom of association) to throw out and disavow people who are heretics or acting in ways not in keeping with the creed and canon law of the Church.
It’s long past the time that the Church should have quit allowing politicians who claim to be Catholic make election hay off these claims unless they walk their talk.
IF IT ONLY KILLS ONE MORE BABY IT'S WORTH IT!!!
I'M SOOOO NEUROTIC!
Historically the Church has seen its mission as mystical teaching. Through its dogma, rituals and actions it seeks to bring people to God through Christ. Now it is understood that being human it has not always performed this duty without blemish. However throughout its 2000 year history, individuals who profess heresy, which in the eyes of the Church endorse or promote policies or beliefs that would lead people astray, the church has excommunicated them. Often for deviations that seem in retrospect far less grievous than Cuomo’s crimes. You are correct in that anyone can call themselves Roman Catholic. In fact any baptized Catholic in good standing has a right to properly state that. However it has always been the responsibility of the Bishops to formally and publicly excommunicate such heretics.The problem is that while Cuomo as governor has the power to propose and even implement such a barbaric law, traditionally he cannot proclaim himself a Catholic and take such actions. It will be interesting to see how Dolan handles the situation.
“I’m Protestant so I may be out of place here but when is the RCC going to finally grow a pair and kick this tyrannical King Herod Antipas-type jerk and others who think and act like him out?”
Right on! And while you are at it go after the Mormons for allowing Harry Reid to remain a member in good standing.
Makes him the perfect candidate for POTUS from the Rat party.
Makes him the perfect candidate for POTUS from the Rat party.
His wife is Catholic too. She is the most evil loathsome ugly fake Catholic woman there is, even worse than Joy Behar and Pelosi.
IF IT ONLY KILLS ONE MORE BABY IT’S WORTH IT!!!
I’M SOOOO NEUROTIC!
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Well said!
Question: Does Cuomo’s mouth appear to anyone else to be outsized in proportion to his (somewhat diminutive) cranium?
Yes, it does. Fits his ego though. lol
Because anti abortion is viewed as a Republican thing, and Catholics have been tribal Democrats for over a hundred years.
In other countries, the Catholic Church takes a much stronger stand on such things.
You should say pseudo-Catholics like Rudy the Greaseball, who also should have been excommunicated a long time ago.
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