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Your .40 cal pistol is virtually worthless at 100 yards.
Oh, I have a Mossberg 500 and a .327 magnum revolver for the home (for the wife). I’m thinking down the road here (and monitoring the news...and remembering history). I do not have an arsenal. I do not have the money to begin amassing one now. But I am willing to secure a must-have piece of family protection for when things deteriorate.
I monitor the gun threads on FR. I love reading what those with much more knowledge in this area than I have to say. I trust my FR brethren in this area and trust them to be [more] ready [than I] but I assume I will not be able to secure an invitation to stay in their basement, help out with an occasional an shot-gun blast, tend to the wounded, etc. when you know what hits the fan.
Past, it’s in my closet, like I said, it’s a value question.
> ahahah
> maybe Freepers should band together: “Free Republic Arms”
I was thinking “Iron River [Arms]” — just to thumb the nose at the “iron river of guns going to Mexico” meme they were trying to push for Fast & Furious.
But, yes, if we pool resources we might be able to provide goods & services while making a profit.
There should be plenty of AR’s laying around from lead expired oath breakers in the security forces when the SHTF. Or check the several auction gun sites. Another consideration is a larger caliber bolt action rifle and quality scope and get beyond range of someone with an AR.
> There are more steps for the AR then there are steps for my .40 cal pistol.
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> I found the Ruger sr-22 to be the most frustrating field strip of the guns I have.
I’ve found the FN PS-90 to be excellent in the ease of breakdown and cleaning.
"Keep in mind, I’m a lowly school teacher with all the buying power of a chihuahua right now...(but I still want to be able to tell an intruder, “Drop the chilupa!”
This is what the poster specified his needs were. I don't think he has rooms with 100 yds between walls, do you?
I am also aware that my 40 .cal is worthless at 100 yds, and I am also aware that my tactical shotgun is worthless at 100 yds, which is why I also own a scoped 30/30 and an AR-15.
Do you mean a Ruger .22 pistol, like my old Standard Model?
The trick to reassembly is to flip it upside down when remounting the grip to the receiver. The little do-hicky deal that has to fit into the spring has to wiggle back and hang free to find the spring hole. I kid you not. Once you get the hang of the upside-down do-hicky hang, it’s a snap. Really.
The Ruger Scout is on my list of guns to buy this year.
I figure if I cannot buy the semi-autos I want (at the moment bc of backorders) I will buy those I can and purchase the others when the panic dies down.
I really wanted an FN 5.7 and an AR in .308 (Eugene Stoner’s original design) but we will see if I am ever able get those.
I’m not certain where one can secure a semi auto rifle at this time. Perhaps wood stock hunting rifles are still available, but there is a serious run on those types of rifles that commonly scare liberals.
The ammo is scarce as well.
I can say from personal experience that the AK is the simplest field strip/cleaning in the world....there is literally nothing to it.
To show the huge changes in attitude, my Late Wife’s GGrandparents were traveling through a part of Texas which was still not Indian pacified.This was around the late 1860s.
When the army found out where they were going, they gave each person a Spencer carbine along with a huge pile of ammo.
Their adventures were written up in one of the “old West” magazines. They also had a young but tough looking boy who asked if he could travel with them. They got into a huge fight with the Indians and the boy turned out to be as tough as he looked.
Anyway they fought the Indians off, killing a bunch and didn’t lose a person. They could not have done it with their muzzle loaders. The Spencers given to them by the Army saved their lives.
A shotgun is NOT “worthless” at 100 yards, or even 200! It’s a death machine at 100, and will sure make somebody decide on another plan at 200.
At 100 yards, you’re going to put several out of nine 00 buck into a bad guy. Two or three .33 caliber balls at about 800FPS is no joke. One or two at 200 yards at 500FPS will ruin their day too. So keep shooting them! But heck, at 100 yards, a shotgun is deadly, and you WILL get the hits.
Easiest and simplest gun to maintain; ammo is available worldwide.
Negative, this one. It is essentially a 10/22. I found putting the bolt and charging handle back in was tricky, also re-attaching the upper to the lower was tricky because the hammer became detached from its spring during disassembly.
Yeah, but the 18” barrel reduces effective range quite a bit.
I had not had the chance to handle any AKs yet, would very much like to though.
>> Sounds like the supply is already exhausted—gun control, can’t get ‘em
Hide and watch, son.
God Bless American Free Enterprise! :-)
When the tap comes back on, it won’t be a kitchen faucet, it’ll be a six inch water main.
In two years there will be DOUBLE the amount of weapons and ammunition in the hands of American citizens.
As posted above, keep an eye out for AK-47/74/103's etc...Romanian built WASR-10's are a great value and shoot some of the cheapest ammo in the world (because of volume production)....the 7.62x39 round, which is about equivalent to a 30-30 round...maybe a .308...
Stay armed, stay safe....
********* I found the Ruger sr-22 to be the most frustrating field strip of the guns I have. ************
I rarely even field strip to clean mine. Just swab out the inside barrel, rub a little oil on the outside, blow some cleaner in the works and done.
I consider what you call a field strip to be a full monty if you will.
Impactguns.com does seem to have this rifle in stock. It does say expect delays though. Seems to be an AK-47 type of rifle, though it only comes with a 5 round clip.
Stick a full-man target out at 100, and you will fill it full of holes as quick or quicker than a man with an AR.
A .33 hole is nothing to sneeze at. 2-4 hits per shot is what you will get out of nine 00 bucks. More out of #4 buck. Out to 150-200 yards, a shotgun is NOT something to discount.
I had fired about 2k rounds through mine before I decided to try the field strip. I am glad I did it though because it was incredibly dirty when I cleaned it.
Can it be field-stripped and reassembled in 30 seconds?
FWIW, that gun looks very much like an AK-103....current Russian military issue...it has the modern AL-74 architecture but shoots the older 7.62 round. Great gun. Buy it if you can.
My brother in law is a manufacturer. Told them to go into ammo about 4 yrs ago. Didn’t listen.
****** I had fired about 2k rounds through mine before I decided to try the field strip. I am glad I did it though because it was incredibly dirty when I cleaned it *******
Yes, 2K rounds of .22 will do that. LOL
I am so glad I was stocking up all summer on everything. I can’t even find .22 or 9MM around. Not to mention .223 of course. I did find some 9MM at Cabelas last week for a good price. I also reload and cannot find primers.
Just in case, I also stocked up on cleaning suppies, but the shooting is on hold until the supply loosens up a bit so no need to do much cleaning.
That is very cool, thanks. Who makes that gun...?
Yes, I believe I can field strip and re-assemble my AK in 30 seconds (if the bolt carrier cooperates).......
A shotgun is NOT “worthless” at 100 yards, or even 200! It’s a death machine at 100, and will sure make somebody decide on another plan at 200.
I'll second that. If you need to engage jackboots at that range, I recommend these:
Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum (Click on the "Ballistic Data" and "Penetration testing" links on that page). The ammo is available here.
Also recommended: a Mesa Tactical recoil stock.
LOL -- Gotcha.
That is very cool, thanks. Who makes that gun...?
FN HERSTAL, it's their PS-90.
Unless you are shooting rifled slugs, in which case, your range is extended a bit (150 to 200 yds max). Even at that range, a 1 oz, .72" diameter piece of lead is going to HURT.
I had an older WASR-10 7.62 but, sadly, it was devoured by steel termites ....
A couple things to look for if examining an older WASR.
Century Int’l imported these Romanian carbines and machined-out the magazine well so it would hold larger magazines.
There wasn’t much `fit and finish’ particularly in the early models, so you may find tooling marks.
But they don’t effect performance, the price was right, mine went bang every time and they hit to point of aim. Anyone who tells you an AK isn’t accurate probably hasn’t shot one and/or is comparing it to an AR.
OK,
imp: Some of the early WASR front sites were canted, so make sure it isn’t screwy or you face having to fix it.
Also, if the trigger doesn’t have `TAPCO’ stamped on it you may have some `trigger slap’ and that’s no good, but you can remedy that as well with a Dremel.
You cleaned your AK, Victor? WASR chrome-lined barrel, I thought that was optional! ;^) At your service, td.
Try taking apart a Ruger Mk III .22 target pistol. Incredible. Ruger builds heavy duty stuff, but otherwise their engineers are idiots.
Send him an "I told you so"-card?
Wow — thank you for that story.
Hey buddy...I don't have a WASR, I was fortunate enough to come across a SAIGA, Russian made by Legion in the original Kalashnikov factory. They are marketed here in the States by Arsenal in Nevada and they are the real deal. The model # is SGL21, and it is an incredible weapon. Bud's Gun shop carries/did carry this gun and they are a steal at around $800 (or at least they used to cost $800)....
The thing is that around here, the only range does not allow the firing of anything other than birdshot. No buckshot, no magnum rounds also cannot fire into paper targets on any of the ranges, only at clay pigeons or into the ground.
So I have not been able to test the spread pattern for buckshot out of the 18” barrel in any way. I would either have to find some far away woods and fire it there or take it to an out of state range, such as in Louisiana.
My step dad had that pistol when I was growing up. it was the first pistol I was ever trained on, but I never had the opportunity to try and field strip guns at that time because I was too young.
I have heard that that particular gun is a real son of a...
I forgot to mention...mine got lost in a terrible boating accident; it was just as well- the steel eating termites had just about finished it off....
Same gun you could buy at Walmart a few months ago for under $1000. Amazing.
Obama has been gold for the gun industry.
Melissa Harris Perry MSNBC had a older loud black woman on her show this morning who said she lost two sons ‘due to gun violence’.
She said she and some others like her marched to the state houses demanding answers to ‘who is putting guns in their baby's hands?’.
No one on the show asked her about why they didnt teach their boys to not commit crimes.
AK’s are not as accurate as AR15’s. The only one that comes close is the VEPR and you need to make sure you get one that has been converted to accept AK mags.
On the subject of shotties at tthe 100 yard line, consider the 12 gauge “Tir-Ball” load. It consists of 3 .600 diameter lead balls (hardened, too!).
Recoil is ‘memoraable, of course. So is the pattern, as 2 or 3 in a man size target is quite doable.
Triple O buckshot is also good for longer ranges, and for close range, #1 buck provides more wound channel area than Double O buckshot.
I went to a show today and saw a Bushmaster that didn't look new, M4 style, for $3000. There was a guy walking around with a Stag Arms M4gery with an $1800 price tag on it.
I passed on those.
A Romanian AK model SAR-2 had a $1200 price tag on it.
Magazines are starting to come down in price as is ammo, fortunately. 9mm, 223, and 22LR are still sold out in bulk quantities, however. It was available single-box here and there at not too outrageous prices. $13.50 for 20 rounds of 223 and $15 for 50 rounds of 9mm were the best prices for name-brand (Remington) that I could track down.
Give it a few months. Prices will come back to something resembling reality then.
Why, oh why did I not invest in weapon maker or ammunition stocks a year ago? And sell this month?
Oh well, I never wanted to be rich anyway. :)
Reading your first book in the series now. Just got to the end of “banning day”. It’s a good read; I’ll certainly read the entire series.
I had to sign up for amazon to read it because my wife loves her nook and that’s the e-reader lying around the house.
Thanks for the good read. As soon as I’m down browsing here, I’m going back to the book.
If I need something for home defense, I just call my son - hunter, combat vet, police officer. He’s no fool, he’s got the right tools and all legal. Getting shot at is a good incentive to being better trained and armed than the enemy, the criminal, or the nutcase (he’s disarmed two such fine fellows).
I could also call on his K-9. She’s always looking for a snack - i.e. humans, the other red meat.
My daughter ran a shooting range and store. She’s no fool.
As for me, well, I’ll never tell. OK, I have a WW2 or imitation machete that sucked in the jungles of Guatemala. It was the long knife that cut through the vines with ease.
Seems that half my block is armed (police, Secret Service, formerly some DEA agents, Deputy Sheriff, a couple soldiers). The only problem is, the bad guys don’t know who has and who hasn’t, and no newspaper around here would dare to publish any list.
I love to listen to the crickets chirp at night. Haven’t heard the sound of gunfire in many years.
I hope you are right, by the way I am a female
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