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White House Plans To Overwhelm NRA With Rapid Victory
TPM ^ | 1/5/13 | Sarlin

Posted on 01/05/2013 10:00:43 AM PST by pabianice

President Obama announces he is appointing Vice President Joe Biden to craft new policies within the next month to curb gun violence.President Obama announces he is appointing Vice President Joe Biden to craft new policies within the next month to curb gun violence. 0

The White House and gun control supporters are gearing up for a whirlwind month, with plans to pass reform legislation before outrage over the Sandy Hook massacre has a chance to fade.

While the fiscal cliff has dominated Washington’s attention in recent weeks, lawmakers and activists are laying the groundwork for their big push. Vice President Joe Biden, tasked with heading a commission to investigate gun violence, has been quietly meeting with experts, interest groups, and public officials and is expected to release a set of recommendations within weeks. Boston mayor Thomas Menino, co-chair of Michael Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told the Boston Herald this week that an optimistic Biden had assured him that Obama would sign legislation “by the end of January.”

“We had been led to believe their report would come by end of January, but we’re hearing they may want to have something out by January 15, even quicker than expected,” Mark Glaze, director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told TPM.

House Democrats are moving ahead with their own plans as well. On Friday, Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA), chair of the newly created Gun Violence Prevention Task Force, announced the appointment of 12 vice chairs, including Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), the body’s leading voice on gun control. According to a Democratic aide, the group plans to release its recommendations in early February and is already organizing public hearings on the issue.

Obama has personally identified an assault weapons ban and limits on ammunition magazine size as top priorities. Other possible reforms could include background check requirements for purchases at gun shows, a loophole that’s helped create a huge market of off-record arms purchases.

Pro-gun groups have dominated Congress in recent years and, while lawmakers approved by the National Rifle Association have mostly kept their heads down in recent weeks, any legislation could face an difficult path to passage, or even a vote, especially in the Republican-led House.

Glaze said his group would work hard to build public support, hosting local events with various mayors, dozens of whom will descend on Washington later this month for The United States Conference of Mayors winter gathering.

Gun violence survivors are also planning trips to lobby lawmakers to support legislation. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords, who survived a mass shooting in 2011, could play a prominent role in that regard: on Wednesday she met with Bloomberg in New York and on Friday traveled to Newtown to comfort families who lost loved ones in the attack there.

But Glaze acknowledged the NRA has long held an advantage not only in its cash resources, but in its large and active grassroots membership, which has rallied in the past to whip members of Congress against gun control bills. For gun control advocates, they’ll have to offer a compelling case that lawmakers who squelch reforms will pay a price in the midterm elections and that means building their own active network of supporters. Glaze is confident they can do so, citing recent polls showing restrictions on extended ammunition clips and an expansion of background checks to be popular nationally.

“The broad solutions are there and if Congress doesn’t act I think theyre going to be digging themselves further into a big hole,” he said.

The Brady Campaign, the gun control group founded by former Ronald Reagan press secretary Jim Brady, is also expected to play a role in promoting legislation, but it’s an open question whether they can compete with the NRA’s experienced leadership. TPM reached out to the group’s staff in recent days for information on its plans, but received no response.


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To: Bryan24

It’s weird. They trotted out that medical examiner to proclaim that all the victims he examined had been shot multiple times with a long barrelled gun. Complete dog and pony show to drive home that one particular point. Then total silence. Nothing about the actual gun used, where it was found, number of magazines, rounds fired.....nothing.

This thing stinks to high heaven.


51 posted on 01/05/2013 11:13:01 AM PST by bereanway
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To: Kozak; Bryan24

The ME’s presser said he used the .223 for all murders; handguns never used. The long gun in the trunk was a shotgun. I posted vid of cops racking-out shells.

My 12/29 post:

According to the ME’s presser, he used to AR-15 to do all the killings. They found another long gun in the trunk. Look at the shells being racked-out; looks like 12ga.

This article says he had the AR-15 and 2 handguns w/ him, and a shotgun was found in the car:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at-least-26-dead-in-shooting-at-connecticut-school/

and

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html

Here’s the vid of the long gun in the mother’s car’s trunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc


52 posted on 01/05/2013 11:14:42 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: MurrietaMadman; All

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

Now over 15,000. Drudge should be made aware of it. Less than 10,000 to go.


53 posted on 01/05/2013 11:18:23 AM PST by marktwain
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To: reefdiver

No, that simply cannot happen. Republicans control the House and therefore they have final say on every single piece of legislation. There is absolutely no Constitutional way for House Democrats to move any legislation through the House on ther own.


54 posted on 01/05/2013 11:21:44 AM PST by Obadiah (Brace for impact.)
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To: buffaloguy; All
Epic fail is on the way.

I certainly hope so. Obamacare was one of *the* most unpopular bills ever, but it was passed.

Not in Republican house, though.

If they cannot get it this time, they will be very discouraged.

55 posted on 01/05/2013 11:21:44 AM PST by marktwain
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56 posted on 01/05/2013 11:23:22 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should put GUN FREE ZONE on their property and persons.)
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To: Kozak; Bryan24

ME’s (weird) presser, actually saying the long gun was used, and describing multiple wounds on 26 victims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVLCSqoZYqY


57 posted on 01/05/2013 11:23:50 AM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Spot on.


58 posted on 01/05/2013 11:24:06 AM PST by Obadiah (Brace for impact.)
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To: Bryan24; All

1. He did not use the AR-15 to shoot the kids in Newtown.

The bulk of the evidence is that he did use the AR-15. There was early misreporting by the MSM.

Lots of reasons to mistrust the MSM and early reporting.


59 posted on 01/05/2013 11:29:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: mombonn
I am becoming a gun owner for the first time ever. A pox on all their houses.

ditto here! Not raised with guns around. Never felt a need or thought much about owning a gun, but will be going out with an experienced friend to help me buy my first gun, mostly as a fight and resistence against these degenerates.

60 posted on 01/05/2013 11:30:45 AM PST by parisa
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To: M Kehoe

Nice list of names there.

Wonder what would happen if they all got “doxed” like the gun owners in New York?


61 posted on 01/05/2013 11:35:26 AM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Red Steel

I don’t see any way for President Obama to pass further gun control. Unless there’s some way for him to issue a EO declaring that semi-automatics fall under the NFA, I don’t see any gun control legislation getting through Congress. I’m sure he’d love to do an EO, but he’s always had the barest amount of wiggle room on these EOs in the past. Is there anything in the NFA that gives the executive branch any leeway on what can be regulated, or does the NFA specifically state it’s restricted to fully automatic weapons? I’m not really familiar with automatic weapon legislation.


62 posted on 01/05/2013 11:53:24 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: AtlasStalled
And now the government want to disarm citizens to stop us from protecting ourselves against the narco terrorists and other criminal pyschopaths that run the streets? Citizens have the right to protect ourselves particularly when the government is unable or unwilling to protect us.

In the America of today, the narco terrorist and criminal pyschopaths are actually running the US government.

63 posted on 01/05/2013 11:55:35 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: carriage_hill

Technically, you’re correct.

However, pragmatically speaking, we have learned SCOTUS can no longer be trusted to follow and uphold the Constitution.


64 posted on 01/05/2013 12:06:11 PM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: jughandle

The WhiteyHut ain’t seen a real crisis until nobama tries some EO against 2nd Amendment!


65 posted on 01/05/2013 12:07:29 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Red Steel

Yesterday I heard a couple of interesting comments, on WLS radio and a local news-in-review show. One of the WLS reporters mentioned that he had spoken with Chicago Police chief McCarthy—no fan of the second amendment—about the failing efforts in Springfield to pass gun control in Illinois, and McCarthy admitted that the momentum is fading. Likewise the reporters on the TV show barely made mention of gun control...they too commented on “fading interest” and strong opposition from downstate. They spent more time on the gay marriage bill and the still-desperately-being-deferred state financial mess.

And I’ll admit that most of my FB friends lean liberal (consequence of coming from a rabidly liberal area)...and even in the wake of Aurora, the mall shooting and Newtown I’ve heard little to nothing said about gun control. I’m still amazed at that.


66 posted on 01/05/2013 12:12:14 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: buffaloguy

Even an Oregon Democrat, Kurt Schrader, said on the Lars Larson show that he doesn’t see much passing on this.


67 posted on 01/05/2013 12:12:25 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: pabianice

Just substitute the word “ownership” for “violence” and you’ll know what they’re up to.


68 posted on 01/05/2013 12:13:39 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: newfreep
"... we have learned SCOTUS can no longer be trusted to follow and uphold the Constitution."

You're so correct and it's beyond sad that we're at this point. In the next 4yrs, SCOTUS is going to get a lot more liberal w/ new ∅bummer appointees.

69 posted on 01/05/2013 12:14:08 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: FrankR
Remember when the government claimed that “rounding up” 13 million illegal aliens was an “impossible task”?

The War on Drugs started 40 years ago.

The government has done a great job on that one.

70 posted on 01/05/2013 12:14:27 PM PST by TYVets
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To: bereanway

bereanway: “The media is doing all they can to create an air of inevitability.”

That deserves to be repeated. They’re attempting the same trick with homosexual marriage. If they can make folks think it’s inevitable, resistance evaporates. I know we’re onto them, and hope more Americans catch on. The media doesn’t just report the news. It distorts the news to present a carefully crafted image. They’re propagandists aiming to remake America.


71 posted on 01/05/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: pabianice
I can tell you what won't be a rapid victory.....any congress critters election who supports this!!!Costs the dems dearly the last time this came up!!!
72 posted on 01/05/2013 12:20:56 PM PST by ontap
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To: bereanway
Going to be anything but a rapid victory. Over 3 weeks now since Newtown and I believe resistance to any new legislation is galvanizing.

That liberal newspaper in NY is doing an excellent job of galvanizing for us by illustrating the danger of weapon registration.

73 posted on 01/05/2013 12:23:34 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Gritty

OUTSTANDING IDEA !!!!


74 posted on 01/05/2013 12:24:45 PM PST by OHPatriot (It's time to party like it's 1096 AD.)
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To: pabianice

No you will not you communist MF’ers... but you will lose about 30% of your dim base trying. Go ahead and over reach. It cost you in 2010 and it will cost you again in 2013... for 2014. FU biden... you have never accomplished anything beyond being stupid enough to play second commie to obamacommie.

LLS


75 posted on 01/05/2013 12:37:14 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Texas Fossil
That term is just for show and talking points.

Who the hell cares? You may not call an AR-15 an "assault weapon" but the people who want to take them away sure as hell do! Whining about "show and talking points" isn't going to be worth squat when these things wind up on a banned list. An AR-15 isn't an assault weapon? Whatever. Tell it to the judge, if Feinstein gets her way, as he's handing you 10 years in the joint for possessing one.

If you want to evaluate the "effectiveness" of a weapon you would not choose an AR for the weapon of choice.

If you want to kill as many people as possible and you have two pistols, a shotgun and an AR-15 with several loaded magazines, which weapon are you going to use? Newsflash: The .223 round has killed more people than atomic bombs. It's plenty effective. A million dead Vietnamese would tell you if they could.

76 posted on 01/05/2013 12:38:13 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Sacajaweau
We can beat that EO and I have talked with an ILA attorney who says that they already have it ready to go if he tries. He will be challenged on this... he got away with everything else due to inaction... but guns... that is our fire wall. Don't believe it if you wish... but it is either that or war.

LLS

77 posted on 01/05/2013 12:39:22 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: pabianice
Gun Organizations Unite to Stop Gun Ban http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/gun-organizations-unite-to-stop-gun-ban/ ================================================================== A collaborative effort of 27 pro-gun state and national organizations has formed to fight against any federal gun bans. =============================================================== The group is referring to themselves as the “National Coalition to Stop the Gun Ban” and has announced the formation of the coalition January 3, 1013. Participating organizations are comprised of both national organization and state organizations. National organizations: The Firearms Coalition, Gun Owners of America, Rights Watch International, Second Amendment Sisters, USRKBA.org ================================================================ State organizations: Arizona Citizens Defense League, Arkansas Carry, Florida Carry, Inc., Grass Roots North Carolina, Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Gun Owners of California, Gun Owners of Maine, Gun Owners of Vermont, Michigan Gun Owners, The Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Montana Shooting Sports Association, New Hampshire Firearms Coalition, New Jersey 2nd Amendment Society, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Oregon Firearms Federation, Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, Shooters Committee on Political Education N.Y., Utah Shooting Sports Council, Virginia Citizens Defense League, West Virginia Citizens Defense League, Western Missouri Shooters Alliance, and Wisconsin Carry, Inc. =============================================================== The members of the coalition have drafted a letter to Members of Congress that includes sections addressing “The truth about modern rifles,” “Semi-auto ban: No impact on violence,” “’Gun Free School Zones Act’ increased killings,” and the position statement of the coalition with the signatories of the founding members.

78 posted on 01/05/2013 1:14:23 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: carriage_hill

Mark Levin bought 3 guns in the past year. Prior to that, he owned zero.


79 posted on 01/05/2013 1:14:23 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: BerserkPatriot

My apologies to everyone on my ham-fisted attempt at formatting that post..


80 posted on 01/05/2013 1:18:11 PM PST by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Socialist Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I remember him mentioning on the streaming show, several times. I wonder if he plans on getting his Landmark Legal involved in a suit against 0bummer&Co on 2nd Amendment?


81 posted on 01/05/2013 1:22:31 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Drew68
If you want to kill as many people as possible and you have two pistols, a shotgun and an AR-15 with several loaded magazines, which weapon are you going to use?

Supposedly that was a Saiga semi-auto 12ga that was in the trunk.

Frankly, if you wanted to do the most damage to unarmed combatants huddling in small clusters, the Saiga shotgun would be a definite first choice over the .223.

82 posted on 01/05/2013 1:24:44 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: carriage_hill

The reporting on this shooting has been rife with errors. I don’t know what he used. If he really used the AR-15, then my post was wrong. I really don’t care, though.

The fact that the guns didn’t do the shooting, but young person with mental issues did, is what bothers me.

According tot he FBI, more people died from Knives and Bats than they did from rifles... for several years running.


83 posted on 01/05/2013 1:44:12 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24

Agreed, 100%, on all points.


84 posted on 01/05/2013 1:46:40 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: Bryan24

I’m a 1974 robbery/shooting victim - still carry the .32cal near my spine - and would like to get firearms out of criminals’ and mentally-ill peoples’ hands.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s362/carriage_hill/DCP_1319_zps47adbae9.jpg


85 posted on 01/05/2013 1:53:48 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sorta like Sandra Fluke’s “testimony to the House of Representatives” that was entirely staged in an off site setting.


86 posted on 01/05/2013 2:11:08 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: Hardastarboard; All
Sorta like Sandra Fluke’s “testimony to the House of Representatives” that was entirely staged in an off site setting.

Exactly. The MSM is pedal to the metal to trash the Constitution and make the U.S. a Socialist State while Obama is in power. They elected him, they reelected him, and they run as much propaganda as they can to support a socialist/fascist/progressive agenda, while doing everything they can to prevent the conservative message from getting out. They are the major problem in this country.

87 posted on 01/05/2013 3:12:51 PM PST by marktwain
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To: carriage_hill
and would like to get firearms out of criminals’ and mentally-ill peoples’ hands.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. And that's not what democrats and the GOP-E are trying to do. They are trying to get firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.

/johnny

88 posted on 01/05/2013 3:25:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yeah, I know what their agenda is. This isn’t going to end well, for America.


89 posted on 01/05/2013 4:06:58 PM PST by carriage_hill ("I meant to say maggot, but I have a lisp.")
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To: pabianice
"... if Congress doesn’t act I think theyre going to be digging themselves further into a big hole..."

Hmmm...More likely:
if Congress doesn’t act acts I think theyre going end up to be digging themselves further into a big hole to end up in...

90 posted on 01/05/2013 4:41:02 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: All

I saw a movie once where only the police and military had guns. It was called Schindler’s List.


91 posted on 01/05/2013 4:48:59 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kolath
I saw a movie once where only the police and military had guns. It was called Schindler’s List.

The real Oskar Schindler armed his Jewish workers as the war was coming to an end, a fact that Steven Spielberg, a long time Democrat, conveniently ommited from his film as his party pursued gun control efforts at home.

In another twist of irony, Spielberg himself is reputed to possess a very impressive collection of military firearms.

92 posted on 01/05/2013 6:56:11 PM PST by Drew68
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To: AtlasStalled
Let's take these and these and " and also 13,000 rounds of ammunition, pistols, assault rifles, bulletproof vests and... (see examiner.com)....and give them to...these guys and their 'colleagues.' . Wait, wait. We did that already. Now, we just have to make sure to take those same types of things from an 'typical White people'

even if it takes a couple dozen dead children to do it.


93 posted on 01/05/2013 7:09:34 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Bryan24

Regarding 1. I saw that early (he used two handguns), but haven’t seen anything on that lately. Do you have source I can use?


94 posted on 01/05/2013 7:25:22 PM PST by BruceS
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To: Sacajaweau

“He’s going to do this by executive order.....No way Dems in the House will give it to him.”

He can try.


95 posted on 01/05/2013 7:55:08 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: buffaloguy

One of the local alphabet affiliates here in CT had a report on gun show of antique firearms in the Stamford area. Of curse they reported on the MAYBE dozen protesters out front. Despite the “honk if you support gun control” sign, only one or two were heard during the segment.

Funny how no mass shooting occurred.


96 posted on 01/05/2013 10:04:15 PM PST by matt04
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To: carriage_hill

I prefer to believe that it isn’t going to end well...for the media.


97 posted on 01/05/2013 10:06:44 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: M Kehoe

Yes, learn where your local congress reps live and publicize it wherever possible. It’s public info after all.....


98 posted on 01/05/2013 10:11:52 PM PST by wrencher
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To: Sacajaweau

Any 0bama E.O. subverting the 2nd Amendment should be met with OVERWHELMING calls for impeachment.


99 posted on 01/05/2013 10:28:51 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Venturer
This is a classic 0bama 'don't blame the black president' dodge.. "Hey you white Bible-toting gun clingers.. Don't get mad at a black president for taking away your 2nd Amendment rights.. It's white man Joe Biden's fault - ONE OF YOUR OWN DID THIS TO YOU!!!"
100 posted on 01/05/2013 10:37:32 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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