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The culture war is over, and conservatives lost (Face it, Americans no longer agree with us)
The Week ^ | 01/03/2013 | Matt K. Lewis

Posted on 01/03/2013 12:09:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Late last year, I criticized the notion that Barack Obama won re-election by buying off voters with "gifts." 

In case you've forgotten, many conservatives had sought to explain away Mitt Romney's loss by reasoning that we had finally reached a tipping point where Americans were voting for candidates who supported the welfare state, based solely on their own pecuniary interests. And I argued that voters do want to be given something by Republican politicians: Hope, optimism, and vision.

But while I dismissed that premise, there may be an even larger fundamental problem that should alarm conservatives even more: Too many Americans simply no longer agree with them on the merits.

We should have seen it coming. Back in 1999 — on the cusp of George W. Bush's presidency, and as Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress — conservative leader Paul Weyrich issued a controversial open letter declaring that conservatives "probably have lost the culture war." 

As Weyrich wrote:

In looking at the long history of conservative politics, from the defeat of Robert Taft in 1952, to the nomination of Barry Goldwater, to the takeover of the Republican Party in 1994, I think it is fair to say that conservatives have learned to succeed in politics. That is, we got our people elected. 

But that did not result in the adoption of our agenda. The reason, I think, is that politics itself has failed. And politics has failed because of the collapse of the culture. The culture we are living in becomes an ever-wider sewer. In truth, I think we are caught up in a cultural collapse of historic proportions, a collapse so great that it simply overwhelms politics.

In recent months, it has been especially depressing to be a conservative. In the past, one could more easily endure the ranting of liberal commentators by taking solace that — outside of New York City and Washington, D.C. — most of the country was center-right. Thus, whenever an elite liberal commentator said something fringy, one could always console himself by saying (or at least thinking): "I hope you push that idea, because you'll keep losing elections in real America."

Today, conservatives have made a shocking discovery: They are the ones in danger of appearing out of touch with middle America.

Weyrich, it turns out, might have been a Cassandra. At the time, of course, his letter was criticized by many of his conservative friends, who had, after all, toiled in the trenches for years to elect Ronald Reagan. They were still optimistic that we were on the verge of some sort of permanent governing majority that would allow a new leader to finish what Reagan started. But today, it looks as though Weyrich was quite prescient.

To be sure, his idea wasn't entirely original. Years earlier, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan observed, "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society." Years later, Andrew Breitbart would popularize this notion, and introduce it to a new generation of conservatives. But Weyrich was making an observation at a time when it would have been easy to dismiss such reflection as premature — or even pessimistic. (Indeed, many of his contemporaries did exactly that.) 

Predictably, conservatives tended to ignore this inconvenient truth about the culture, persuading themselves that winning elections — and ostensibly passing conservative laws (though they did that less frequently) — were what mattered. (Or maybe it was that they convinced themselves that because they could win elections — because the American public supported their politics — it implied a "silent majority" of Americans were still traditional, salt-of-the-earth types.) 

In the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s, Republicans did quite well electorally. Simultaneously, however, our society became coarser, more permissive, less traditional, and more socially liberal. And while politicians won elections, our young people turned to Hollywood for guidance. For every Republican elected, there were 10 films or songs (many of them quite good, actually) selling sex, drugs, and violence. Of course, this all comes down to that clichéd line about the breakdown of the family unit. It's clichéd because it's true.   

Now: In the wake of the House GOP's capitulation on the Senate-passed fiscal cliff bill (which does nothing to rein in entitlement spending), some prominent conservatives are beginning to notice that today's electoral and public policy defeats are a natural byproduct of having lost the culture war.

For example, over at Red State, conservative commentator and blogger Erick Erickson argues, "Republicans should turn their attention toward — family." Erickson quotes Rick Santorum, who, during a 2012 Republican primary debate said:

The bottom line is we have a problem in this country, and the family is fracturing.

Over 40 percent of children born in America are born out of wedlock. How can a country survive if children are being raised in homes where it's so much harder to succeed economically? It's five times the rate of poverty in single-parent households than it is in two-parent homes. We can have limited government, lower tax — we hear this all the time, cut spending, limit the government, everything will be fine. No, everything's not going to be fine. 

There are bigger problems at stake in America. And someone has got to go out there — I will — and talk about the things. 

Democracy, of course, requires individuals who are moral and responsible. Strong families are the cure for much of what ails us. You pick the problem, and stronger families would probably render the solution moot. Consider a recent debate: We can put warning labels on violent games and movies, but that won't replace mom and dad being involved in their children's lives and being aware of what they are watching.

Conservatives have largely lost the culture, and it can't be won back by passing some landmark piece of legislation. Instead, it's going to be a long, hard slog. The good news is that, though conservatives typically hate the term "reactionary," most conservative victory is first predicated on liberal overreach.  

It may be that if things get bad enough, America will finally start looking inward. 



Matt K. Lewis writes for The Daily Caller and co-hosts The DMZ on Bloggingheads.tv.



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To: Berlin_Freeper

There has been a kind of conceit among conservatives that the hip hop culture is a Black problem. That is clearly not the case.


51 posted on 01/03/2013 1:01:28 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: SeekAndFind
The culture war is over, and conservatives lost

Not when viewed in county-by-county maps of 2012 electoral results.


52 posted on 01/03/2013 1:02:07 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

America got itself hooked on ‘mediocrity’.


53 posted on 01/03/2013 1:03:34 PM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

People that flippantly say that we’ve lost the culture war are the ones who have contempt for it. They are the fake “conservatives.”


54 posted on 01/03/2013 1:04:33 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: wac3rd

So you’re doing a hell of a lot better than I am.


55 posted on 01/03/2013 1:08:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
The defeatists can shut the hell up or get the hell out.

The defeated ones are why we lost. People that intend to fight the enemy better first figure out who the enemy is. Most here believe that there are two parties and the Republicans are conservative, they are wrong.

Boehner again moved the country to the left and it could hardly be worse if he openly declared himself a Marxist Progressive, which he is in my opinion.

Boehner promised that no bill would come to the floor unless it went through committee debate and reading on the floor, did that happen?

56 posted on 01/03/2013 1:10:48 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Justa
We can start over... the US will default if they do not start a long term austerity program and start paying off the debt. It may take 100 years to do it but if they do not try... the economy will collapse. America is a set of ideas founded on GOD’s laws... and it will Never die. Not as long as Liberty and Freedom live in the hearts of some Americans. I do understand what you are saying and I do think we will see the economy collapse and America default. We go back to the Gold standard and NEVER allow the mistakes of the past to happen again.

LLS

57 posted on 01/03/2013 1:14:02 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Jane Long
Excellent idea and I commit to it now.

LLS

58 posted on 01/03/2013 1:16:58 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
DAR removes all mention of Christ
59 posted on 01/03/2013 1:17:07 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot

This has already been discounted as false. Why do you post incorrect rumours????


60 posted on 01/03/2013 1:20:35 PM PST by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: ksen
When your party is more interested in taking away what little benefits these single-parent families receive in order to preserve the wealth of the top 1% then of course you are going to lose the votes of those people . . . and there's a lot more of them then[sic] the 1%.

Don't you have an Occupy Drum Circle practice to attend or something?
61 posted on 01/03/2013 1:21:44 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Bless you, LLS, and those who have the fight IN them TO fight!


62 posted on 01/03/2013 1:23:26 PM PST by itssme
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To: Political Junkie Too
I'm still not convinced that it was "Americans" that gave Obama the few critical votes he needed in just the right precincts to win.

The few critical votes? Hussein won by a shade under 5 million votes. The election wasn't even really all that close now that most of the votes have been counted. It would have been far more bizarre if Romney had won the election while having lost the popular vote by so much.

This article is awful tasting medicine, but it's true. You can see it in the younger generations even more clearly. This country is becoming far more libertine - and it is very likely that the Republican party will move in that direction as well. We haven't completely lost the debate over fiscal issues even with the younger folks, but on social issues it is not even a close call anymore. Just look at something like gay marriage. It would be unthinkable even 10 years for gays to be serving openly in the military and states approving homo marriage, but that is exactly what is happening. Conservatives have lost this fight by not contesting on the media and entertainment front. Breitbart was making that point over and over again and he was right.

63 posted on 01/03/2013 1:24:36 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: LibsRJerks
Cool, I have 28 years to a wonderful wife.
No regrets!!!

But we may have lost one of our children to that worldly lure. their reasoning is twisted, they seek council from like minded fools, not sage advice from loving parents........heart breaking.

64 posted on 01/03/2013 1:24:55 PM PST by kimtom (USA ; Freedom is not Free)
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To: cripplecreek
Too many people are buying the media line of BS about Obama’s mandate.

He doesn’t have a mandate, but he has power and he is wielding it with out opposition from the House.

Nixon once refused to spend money that Congress approved so they went to court and forced him to spend it. This guy on the other hand is spending money that has not been appropriated by congress and no one says a word. Ten fighter planes and 100 tanks promised to Egypt? What budget would a conservative include those item in?

Unless you are willing to recognize that your friends are not really your friends then you will be loaded onto that train soon enough. I am a life long Reublican and all they have given me since Reagan, is someone that was less bad than the other guy and that includes the New World Order presidents GHWB and his spawn GW.

Soon up to bat will be Jeb the Bush, the one that refused to save Terri.

65 posted on 01/03/2013 1:27:21 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: DTogo

with respect most of that is sagebrush or elvis country.


66 posted on 01/03/2013 1:32:25 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Don't you have an Occupy Drum Circle practice to attend or something?

No, we're still on our winter solstice hiatus.

67 posted on 01/03/2013 1:32:57 PM PST by ksen
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To: Shadow44

The key word here is culture. We have to grab hold of the leftist culture that has grabbed tight-fisted hold of those people who follow obozo and his ideology. I also agree with you that it will be a never-ending fight that won’t see immediate results. Andrew Breitbart was a gem, he was the right man to spearhead a culture fight and he knew how to do it and win. And now he is gone, and it is crushing to think about it still. BUT, we must continue to move onward and achieve what we set out to do. We do need Conservative leadership..we have no leader, and we need to organize. And the beat goes on....


68 posted on 01/03/2013 1:34:30 PM PST by itssme
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To: Longbow1969

Well, I hope that we can count on you to join us in our fight for social conservatism.


69 posted on 01/03/2013 1:35:20 PM PST by ansel12
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To: DTogo
Not when viewed in county-by-county maps of 2012 electoral results.

The only problem with the story you are trying to paint with that map is that the blue counties are the ones with most the people, i.e. voters, in them and the red counties are the ones with the fewest. So basically there are a lot of wide open, empty spaces in the red counties.

70 posted on 01/03/2013 1:36:16 PM PST by ksen
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To: Longbow1969
The few critical votes? Hussein won by a shade under 5 million votes. The election wasn't even really all that close now that most of the votes have been counted.

I'm talking about the few swing precincts in the few swing states.

I believe someone analyzed that it came down to about 450,000 votes across Ohio, Virginia, and Florida.

Obama could have gotten most of his 5 million lead from California and New York - heck, he could have doubled that amount, and it would still have come down to that half a million in 3 or 4 swing states.

-PJ

71 posted on 01/03/2013 1:36:23 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: DTogo

The geographic argument is really an urban vs rural argument. Obama won by a few hundred thousand votes in 3 battleground states due to dominating the urban vote in major cities for their states. Somehow that has been exaggerated into a “mandate” and the end of the cultural war. People need to understand that the densely populated urban cities embrace socialism and are the driving force to our country heading this direction.


72 posted on 01/03/2013 1:38:31 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: fwdude
They are the fake “conservatives.”

Really? You come to that conclusion exactly how?

73 posted on 01/03/2013 1:40:42 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: catfish1957

Source? If it is false why has it not been removed from this forum?


74 posted on 01/03/2013 1:42:43 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: DTogo

You need the 3d version.
Those red squares? Mostly empty. Those blue ones are urban areas stacked with breeding parasites.


75 posted on 01/03/2013 1:48:51 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The bottom line is we have a problem in this country, and the family is fracturing.

The goal of libtards is to destroy the institutions of marriage and family. Libtards desire equality of results and if they can't get that then they will settle for equality of opportunity. Equality of opportunity involves equality of both nature and nurture. One way to achieve equality of nurture is to destroy the family and marriage enough so that the government can take over and raise children equally. Libtards are behaviorists who are constantly and continuously trying to build the society they want by controlling the environment.

76 posted on 01/03/2013 1:52:05 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: LibsRJerks
I admire you and your family and your values. Those folks that you are referring to will either see the light, change their ways because they will get sick and tired of the cesspool they are wallowing in...it pays so few rewards in the end, and sometimes even the stupid smarten up and want something better. I'm hoping and praying that this happens.

It is a skank world out there and the numbers who partake are many. One good fact to come out of what you are reporting is that these people are WORKING! They are not part of the generational welfare crowd who live off welfare, from one generation to the next, are nothing more than sperm donors and slut-abouts, who make babies for the all the freebies they can get from oboma’s government, like a section 8 roof over their heads at a very young age, free food, phones, healthcare, education etc, and in the case of those who thug for pocket money, they also are responsible for the high crime rate, courtesy of the green light oboma gives them to plunder and be feral animals on the street, with no punishment..after all oboma is trading them the goodies for their votes. And then there are the bum-we-don't-want-to-work punks who live off welfare and work for the left, the anarchists, communists, marxists, revolutionaries who are hard-core believers, and the college crowd, who are leftist-educated and who follow the pied-piper oboma like the lemmings they are.

I am so thankful to read about people like yourself, who mirror my values. I pray that the pendulum swings back, but none of this will ever happen without the fight of our lives to be fought, for sure.

77 posted on 01/03/2013 1:54:04 PM PST by itssme
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To: SMARTY
America got itself hooked on ‘mediocrity’.

Yep, about the same time we started asking women to help run things.

Like I tell my son, in secret, the key to a happy marriage is to understand, she doesn't want to HEAR the truth.

So don't bother.

78 posted on 01/03/2013 1:57:20 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The culture war is over? Dream on. We ain't seen nothing yet. America is still swirling the bowl when it comes to depravity. "Conservatives lost"? Yeah. we're down - but not out.

"Today, conservatives have made a shocking discovery: They are the ones in danger of appearing out of touch with middle America." -- Paul Weyrich, 1999. True then. Truer now.

To be sure, his idea wasn't entirely original. Years earlier, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan observed, "The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society."

So true it's worth repeating in bold font:

"The central conservative truth is that it is culture, not politics, that determines the success of a society."

For example, over at Red State, conservative commentator and blogger Erick Erickson argues, "Republicans should turn their attention toward — family." Erickson quotes Rick Santorum, who, during a 2012 Republican primary debate said:

The bottom line is we have a problem in this country, and the family is fracturing.

Over 40 percent of children born in America are born out of wedlock. How can a country survive if children are being raised in homes where it's so much harder to succeed economically? It's five times the rate of poverty in single-parent households than it is in two-parent homes. We can have limited government, lower tax — we hear this all the time, cut spending, limit the government, everything will be fine. No, everything's not going to be fine. 

EGGS-ZACTLY. As opposed to liberals like Glenn Beck and Newt Gingrich who argue that Republicans need to "get with it" and allow same-sex marriages.

Conservatives have largely lost the culture, and it can't be won back by passing some landmark piece of legislation. Instead, it's going to be a long, hard slog. The good news is that, though conservatives typically hate the term "reactionary," most conservative victory is first predicated on liberal overreach.  

It may be that if things get bad enough, America will finally start looking inward. 

Correct again. America is like a junkie. Only when (not if but when) liberalism drops America into the gutter fiscally, culturally, socially, and literally, will conservatism bring America back to it senses.

79 posted on 01/03/2013 2:04:35 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: madprof98

What most of the people commenting on this thread fail to recognize is that a society without a strong family basis cannot continue very long into the future, perhaps not even for another generation.

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I’ve always said; “As goes the American Family - so goes America.” Of course, this isn’t new. Rome and Greece were once great too. But culture rot sets in and no republic, no empire, no democracy or kingdom can or should endure.


80 posted on 01/03/2013 2:05:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait until the Liberals’ actions hit Americans in the wallet...then we’ll see that this battle isn’t over.


81 posted on 01/03/2013 2:05:38 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Liberty and Freedom!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Yep, about the same time we started asking women to help run things.

Look at Red Hampshire, for example...FOUR radical pro-abortion, pro-sodomite women elected to office in November (Governor, both House seats, one U. S. Senate). What an immoral sewer.

82 posted on 01/03/2013 2:06:51 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Strictly in general:

Women can handle plenty of truth. They can see exactly what goes on between people and are very suited to keeping corruption out of the home out of their husbands’ business and keeping their kids tuned into who’s good and who isn’t.

They do not know what to do with political power when they get it in order to preserve the Constitution they swear to uphold. THey make stuff up as they go along in this regard and they think emotionally they decide emotionally. It is key to running a home, and a family.

They are giving in to a lot of crap.


83 posted on 01/03/2013 2:09:48 PM PST by stanne
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To: itsahoot

Did you not read the first sentence of my post?


84 posted on 01/03/2013 2:22:46 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Shadow44
Very well put.

When leftist win elections, they ban and outlaw things they don't like.

And they enact things that they DO like.

Oh, "conservatives" wring their hands about it, but when THEY come into power, the first thing they do is try to accomodate leftists.

I'm still at a loss as to why the Bush tax rates weren't made permanent at the time when we held the House, the Senate and the WH.

Republicans are morons who want to be liked.

Democrats are morons who use their power.

And as for culture, why isn't there a billionaire conservative who will provide an alternative to liberal Hollywood crap?

85 posted on 01/03/2013 2:39:51 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: stanne
They want the comfort and security of a father/husband, but without all of that mean "judging" fathers and husbands do.

It is truly amazing to me that in less than 2 generations we have turned biological self-interest, all the teachings of our Lord, and 2 millenia of cultural instruction into something evil and repressive, and now made female promiscuity not only acceptable, but privileged.

86 posted on 01/03/2013 2:44:46 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: who knows what evil?
The Communists took control of public education and the media...conditioning and brainwashing of our children 24/7/365.

Quite right, which makes it all the more remarkable there are any conservatives left at all. Unfortunately, the last two national elections show the number of those willing to climb out of the Orwellian group-think sewer are declining.

87 posted on 01/03/2013 3:03:30 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Women are disregarding their feminine gifts Of intuitiveness, protection of virtue of ther homes, being virtuous themseves - chaste, charitable, generous, humble, prudent and strong in character.

They look around themselves for approval, instead of seeking their own counsel, to other people, rather than the creator.

It goes to abortion, birth control, and everything predicted in Humanae Vitae (Of Human Life). It is a spiritual issue and as all such things, it will come out in history as a blip or an era, and it will be ugly.

Women will do best who demarcated themselves as having been against this, as their progeny will want to know just like folks now will want to know their forbears were abolitionists.

But that’s just speaking about history.


88 posted on 01/03/2013 3:05:21 PM PST by stanne
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To: itssme

Bless you too my friend.

LLS


89 posted on 01/03/2013 3:07:25 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: mjp

It’s not just families that’s under attack. It’s our civil society that’s being destroyed. This is the work of revolution and subversion. Once they tear down the underpinnings of our traditional culture, they’ll have gotten the revolution they’ve been foaming at the mouth for. Democracy cannot flourish without a strong civil society. It’s beastly and savagery.


90 posted on 01/03/2013 3:09:46 PM PST by virgil
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To: ksen

Since when is anyone entitled to other peoples’ money? Poor or not?

There’s no incentive anywhere to get off public assistance. Many people crank out kids to get more benefits. There was a story out here about the woman making a hundred grand a year for her 9 kids from a bunch of different men. Deliberately having kids to get all sorts of eligibility for ebt, child assistance, free phones, etc.

And they have no shame working the system. the mindset is now I am entitled to all of this. Poorness is celebrated and rewarded and all the libtards feel good and get a slef-esteem boost for redistributing other peoples’ money to the people they believe deserve it because those people were somehow kept from making it themselves by those who actually earned it.


91 posted on 01/03/2013 3:13:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: wac3rd
150 years ago there were some states that tried to escape the Federal madness and sadly they failed. But they showed us that the only way to escape is to be willing to fight for it, win or lose it is the fight that counts.


92 posted on 01/03/2013 3:24:50 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va; rockrr; Ditto
150 years ago there were some states that tried to escape the Federal madness and sadly they failed. But they showed us that the only way to escape is to be willing to fight for it, win or lose it is the fight that counts.

So, so many things wrong with what you said ...

Where to begin?

93 posted on 01/03/2013 3:27:47 PM PST by x
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To: x

Save it.


94 posted on 01/03/2013 3:35:43 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Maybe Commentary magazine's symposium, "What Is the Future of Conservatism in the Wake of the 2012 Election?—A Symposium," has some answers.
95 posted on 01/03/2013 3:37:40 PM PST by x
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To: Political Junkie Too
Obama could have gotten most of his 5 million lead from California and New York

And Romney was able to at least stay at least somewhat competitive because of his big vote lead in Texas and much of the south. The point is that Hussein won by 5 million votes. The election really wasn't that close. What reason is there to think that 450,000 votes should be flipped the other way? Heck, Obama won in 2012 by a couple million more votes than Bush beat Kerry by. Sad, but that's the reality of it.

96 posted on 01/03/2013 3:50:15 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: SeekAndFind

“And I argued that voters do want to be given something by Republican politicians: Hope, optimism, and vision.”

Reminds me of the ambitious little commissar in `Enemies At The Gate’ telling Kruschev, “Give them hope!” Or Obama.

I’ll remain the sole member of the Can’t party: The federal government can’t keep spending more money than it takes in. It can’t threaten free men with tyranny. It can’t keep murdering 1,500 babies every day. It can’t keep encouraging an ongoing invasion of our country.
It can’t ... or not for much longer.


97 posted on 01/03/2013 3:51:54 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: x; central_va

cva prefers to revel in his wrongness LOL


98 posted on 01/03/2013 3:55:14 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
More from that Paul Weyrich letter from 1999.....

Finally, we need to drop out of this culture, and find places, even if it is where we physically are right now, where we can live godly, righteous and sober lives.

Very sound advice. This is why I hate popular culture, I may go the the movies once every 2 years, but only family friendly movies, I don't watch TV, I don't listen to talk radio or even watch Fox News. My main problem is spending too much time here at FR engaging in silly political debates that don't mean a damn thing.

I love my country, but there is nothing politically that can be done to save it.

99 posted on 01/03/2013 4:01:14 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: central_va

But they lost and lost dreadfully. So maybe theirs wasn’t the only way. Maybe they didn’t have the right idea after all.


100 posted on 01/03/2013 4:03:55 PM PST by x
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