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Jersey town adopts schoolhouse Glocks
New York Post ^ | 12/23/12 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 12/23/2012 4:24:30 AM PST by AtlasStalled

Don’t mess with Marlboro Township. The leafy, well-heeled New Jersey suburb will station a permanent armed cop in each of its nine schools starting Jan. 2. * * * The mayor and other town officials had approved the initiative before the chief of the National Rifle Association ignited a firestorm on Friday by calling for armed guards for schools.

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1 posted on 12/23/2012 4:24:38 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

I don’t get this, why would they do this? This will prevent school shootings and save lives. This really doesn’t make it fair for the psycho killers. Why can’t they shoot their victims in peace? People like New York city Despot Mike Bloomberg, the Mincing Mental Midget Mayor of Megalomania, has done so much to assure killers get to kill in peace, completely unopposed,and somebody goes and does this! *Sheesh!*


2 posted on 12/23/2012 4:33:17 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: AtlasStalled

Wow, I am so proud of NJ! The bluest state is beginning to come to its sense!
Let NJ’s Marlboro township be your model!
Talk is cheap. It takes quick actions to protect our children!


3 posted on 12/23/2012 4:41:05 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: AtlasStalled

Armed security is costly. A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.


4 posted on 12/23/2012 4:53:55 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

“A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat”.

I am afraid that I disagree with the “all” statement. I personally feel a person must be trained not only when/how to shoot but be confident in those skills. Meaning that they won’t freeze. There are a lot of teachers I experienced through the years that are either on medication or just not “with it” enough to handle this responsibility. However, if a teacher was willing to take a gun class and everything else checked out.. I’d have no problem with it.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 5:07:16 AM PST by momtothree
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To: AtlasStalled

I thought Christie said this wasn’t going to happen.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 5:09:28 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: chrisnj

Christie criticized the NRA proposal, saying we can’t turn schools into “armed camps”. As if having a guard at a school is any such thing.

All the towns are doing this, whether they announce it or not.

Liberals are so immoral, don’t care about kids’ lives one bit when it gets in the way of the agenda.


7 posted on 12/23/2012 5:11:18 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
The Hazleton Area high school has police and armed guards that is because of the gangs that has taken over the area. My daughters elementary school in the same district is not armed. They should do the same as the high school I would hope.
8 posted on 12/23/2012 5:13:31 AM PST by angcat
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To: Andrei Bulba

There are armed guards in banks protecting money. There are armed guards in museums protecting art. But the left and the wacked out media throw a fit if we want to guard our most precious treasure of all. . . our children. Imagine the irony.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 5:14:46 AM PST by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
Christie criticized the NRA proposal, saying we can’t turn schools into “armed camps”. As if having a guard at a school is any such thing.

Yep - that's like clling many banks "armed camps". How many people feel threatened when they walk into a bank and see an armed security guard?

10 posted on 12/23/2012 5:20:20 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Court houses have armed guards.

State houses have armed guards.

The Congress and Senate office buildings have armed guards.

Many politicians and entertainers have armed bodyguards, many with fully automatic weapons and armor.

We pay for *ALL* of this protection, either through our taxes or by our patronage.

Politicians and entertainers calling for “gun control” are filthy, lying, hypocritical PIGS.


11 posted on 12/23/2012 5:20:31 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Sacajaweau
"I thought Christie said this wasn’t going to happen."

Maybe he meant that the state isn't going to pay for it. But AFAIK, NJ's large and medium size cities have had police at their schools for years. I even thought Newark had a designated School Police force.

12 posted on 12/23/2012 5:22:35 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: momtothree

considering that most teachers are a few sandwiches short of a picnic, I would prefer that teachers not pack anything except their lunch.


13 posted on 12/23/2012 5:26:42 AM PST by Jaysin
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To: momtothree

My mom is a former teacher. She’s been married to an avid hunter for almost 60 years and raised two boys who hunt. She has always had a weak stomach when it comes to guns - scared to death of them, even though we all handle them responsibly and are extremely safey conscious. She is against teachers having guns in school - I was pretty shocked. It boils down to her personal feelings (i.e. she is too afraid of guns to want to carry one & projecting her feelings to the entire situation) .... I explained to her that it would have to be *voluntary* - only teachers that wanted to carry and were willing to be trained would be doing it. That helped a little, but she still told my niece last night that she opposes teachers having guns in the schools.

Personally, if I had a child in public school, I would be on the phone with the school administration & county school board telling them my child would not be back in school unless there was someone there who could shoot back. The odds of it happening in a school where my kid would be? Probably very slim; however, it IS going to happen again - could I live with myself if I let my child go to a place where they are sitting ducks with no chance ... and then something DID happen when it is MY responsibility to protect my kid? No. I could easily have lost a niece during the VT shooting - she was in the building next door & on another day, she would have been in those classrooms or the shooter could have chose her building instead. We weren’t quite sure which building she was in that morning so I know the feeling of waiting to find out if someone you dearly love has been killed and it is horrific .... that’s where I’m coming from.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 5:38:26 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: AtlasStalled

On Drudge I see the Daily News is calling LaPierre "The Craziest Man on Earth."

Well, since Mayor Hornick devised his plan before the NRA spoke, then the mayor must now be "The Craziest Man on Earth." And what makes it even crazier is that the guy is "a Democrat who supports an assault-weapons ban and stricter gun control."

This must be spinning the heads of the "MSM/Leftist Complex."

15 posted on 12/23/2012 5:41:37 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: umgud
Armed security is costly. A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.

Armed Security is necessary. There are a lot of teachers who would not be willing to, or capable of, arming themselves and effectively warding off perpetrators of evil. Better to pay a few more dollars to keep the children safe. There is enough fat in the budget that we can find a way to pay for this.

16 posted on 12/23/2012 5:45:02 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: momtothree
I am afraid that I disagree with the “all” statement. I personally feel a person must be trained not only when/how to shoot but be confident in those skills.

Allow, not force.

I'm sure there are enough retired cops who wouldn't mind having a 7 to 4 job during the school year. And I don't have a problem with teachers or administrative staff with licenses to carry concealed on school grounds.

Heck, I'm sure that Willy the Janitor would love to carry while on the job.


17 posted on 12/23/2012 5:45:12 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: umgud
Armed security is costly. A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.

I've shot in competition against a lot of cops, and brother, I'd rather have a teacher or staff member who shoots as a hobby, and shoots a lot for the pleasure, and is invested in the school and who knows the people who should be in that school... rather than hired security who can claim none of that.

Plus I routinely beat the snot out of those cops. I'm sure there are many who can shoot well... but for them, it's a job.

18 posted on 12/23/2012 5:48:58 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: trebb
Christie criticized the NRA proposal, saying we can’t turn schools into “armed camps”.

The Fat Man from NJ speaks ... and once again shows he is as dumb as he is obese.

19 posted on 12/23/2012 5:49:31 AM PST by EagleInGA
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To: Andrei Bulba

He would probably prefer we be in an unarmed America waiting for an attack. I’m tired of these B———S talking C__P. If we want our children and our families to be safe we are apparently going to have to do it ourselves.


20 posted on 12/23/2012 5:50:49 AM PST by duffee (Newt Gingrich for Speaker)
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To: EagleInGA

The females I know in elementary education should not be packing heat.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 5:53:04 AM PST by EEGator
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Because if they actually solved the problem, then they would no longer have a “crisis” they’d have to react to. No crisis, no extreme solutions, no extreme solutions, no increasing stranglehold on the people.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 5:53:17 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Sooth2222

But AFAIK, NJ’s large and medium size cities have had police at their schools for years.

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Many school districts across the country now have their own PDs. A google search may surprise some by showing states/cites with school PDs.


23 posted on 12/23/2012 5:54:59 AM PST by deport
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To: MissMagnolia

I am totally for having armed personnel at schools... I guess where my concern lies is “who” is armed. I overheard a conversation at my youngest child’s elementary school... a teacher said that no other teacher at that school would be comfortable enough with that responsibility. Her statement was, “I got a teaching degree to teach children. If I wanted to be a cop, I would have gone into law enforcement”. My middle school daughter told me one of her teachers said this to the class..”I wouldn’t have been able to do what the CT teacher did... I’d be out the window in two seconds”. My daughter took the statement as meaning she would protect herself first.. to heck with “you” kids. Not my job type of mentality. Now.. my oldest son is in high school and there is an armed police officer at that school. To be honest, I worry about him the least vs my other two (simply because there is at least one armed person there)

Over the years, I have dealt with teachers that are so liberal, mamby pamby that it would curl your hair. Some of the teachers admitted to dealing with their own Manic Depression of Bipolar disorders. One of my sons teachers in middle school was arrested for waving his uh.. thing at a bus of school kids. Another showed up three sheets to the wind so often that the county finally forced him into rehab (or be fired). A third would often fall asleep in class after taking some sort of prescription pills.

I am all for having someone trained/confident in his/her ability and armed in schools. I guess where my concern lies is the “who” part. For example, I know my own county has a lot of police officers on limited/light duty for issues such as a bad knee, etc.. I am fine with that person being armed at a school. Or, the police officers that are ready to retire in five or less years. I am betting a school security job (m-f, day time, no weekends etc..) would be snatched up immediately. And for the teachers who have the constitution for being armed, I’m fine with it as long as they accept the responsibility wholeheartedly.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 5:55:23 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Yo-Yo
I think Willy would like to crush them with his bare hands.
25 posted on 12/23/2012 5:58:51 AM PST by EEGator
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To: umgud

——— A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.


I consider that to be a rather foolish statement. It presumes the staff capable of maintaining and more importantly using a weapon. The cost of one armed sworn officer can be paid for by making minor staff reductions. The assistant public relations person, the third level coach, the teacher’s assistant assistant, the second vice principal and on and on can be eliminated.

There will never be federal funds for security. That is the task of the local school boards. Those must make the decision that real security outweighs the political delusion of peace and light.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 5:59:00 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: chrisnj

As a practical matter, most police Departments have extra marked cars and vans. When not in use they should be parked in the parking lots of schools and moved daily. Might give a psycho pause to think there may be a cop visiting the building.


27 posted on 12/23/2012 5:59:21 AM PST by allendale
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To: momtothree

True. Armed combat is not easy, I am sure a teacher can step forward and take the training and have one at the school.

Still we are talking remote odds here. A shooter coming in to a school is super unlikely. Swimming pools kill more children than guns. Are we filling them in?


28 posted on 12/23/2012 5:59:53 AM PST by Titus-Maximus
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To: Yo-Yo

See post #24. I responded almost exactly to what you posted. Sorry I didn’t read yours first. Yes... retired cops, and almost retired cops. I know for a fact that after 15 plus years of rotating shifts, weekends, holidays etc.. they would have more than enough applications for elementary, middle and high schools. Willy the Janitor would be perfect... lol!


29 posted on 12/23/2012 6:01:26 AM PST by momtothree
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To: umgud

I rather be taxed for armed guards in schools than section 8 rent and EBT cards!


30 posted on 12/23/2012 6:02:16 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: Westbrook

That’s funny. Let’s pulled the armed guards from congress and put them in schools? Tee-hee.


31 posted on 12/23/2012 6:02:46 AM PST by Titus-Maximus
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Really. If it prevents shootings and saves lives, the MSM would have a melt-down. A foiled sniper attempt would provide only about 30 minutes of news clips, instead of weeks of grueling coverage. Also, a good guy with a gun would be a hero... and we certainly can’t have THAT! The media’s anti-gun agenda would be in jeopardy.


32 posted on 12/23/2012 6:03:48 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: bert

I said allow, not require. I’m not against armed security, but a single security person may not be enough to stop or mitigate such an event. You would likely not get many takers in the blue cities.


33 posted on 12/23/2012 6:03:48 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: AtlasStalled

if every state would just announce that everyone is guaranteed the right to bear arms and criminals will have to face the consequences, then attacks like this will diminish because everyone can be armed.


34 posted on 12/23/2012 6:05:20 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: umgud
Armed security is costly. A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.

Agreed not to mention both sides of the issue are being driven by irrational panic over something that has happened in a tiny fraction of a percent of American schools.

I was thrilled when our local school refused to cower in the face of the surge in threats last week. They said they wouldn't be rewarding bad behavior and would be in session as normal. At least a few teachers have a gun at hand whether its legal or not and everybody knows it.

Better to keep potential threats guessing.
35 posted on 12/23/2012 6:06:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MissMagnolia

Maybe a few more school massacres will change her mind.


36 posted on 12/23/2012 6:06:49 AM PST by GreatMan
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To: momtothree

Oh I totally agree with you. As someone said last week, the last line of defense for your child is their teacher. Hmmmm. There were some heroes at Sandy Hook, no doubt; however, a lot of teachers are Lefty libs ... do I want to trust my kid’s life to them? No way.

Either properly trained teachers who volunteer to carry and who WILL step up and defend the kids, an armed security guard (some of them can be worthless), an off-duty armed cop, retired armed military ... I’d be ok with that. These whackos who do the shooting are looking to make a statement and notoriety is part of it, too. They are looking for the “path of least resistance”. The VT shooter killed himself when he heard the police breaking in, the Sandy Hook shooter killed himself when he heard the sirens ..... these shooters do NOT want to be taken alive, they need to have ‘the power’ and they want easy victims. An armed person(s), whether teacher, guard, cop, military is a *deterrent* ... something the media and the Lefties don’t seem to understand. It’s why crime goes down when there is concealed carry - the bad guys don’t want to take the chance that someone is armed. This is why *gun-free* zones are a magnet for shooters. As I said, it will happen again because while the Lefties want to ban guns, they can’t ban evil ... in fact, they are evil enablers themselves. Hmmmm .... next Leftie who goes after me on guns, that’s what I’m going to tell them... “YOU are an EVIL enabler”. I pray your kids will stay safe ... I can’t imagine have kids in public schools right now.


37 posted on 12/23/2012 6:09:36 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: umgud

“A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.”

Considering the fact that, generally, the teachers are actually not in the job “for the children”, but for their own self interests, I’m not sure this is a good idea. If a shooter showed up, they’d be like George Costanza at the birthday party fire — pushing the kids out of the way to escape.

I’d be more comfortable with students who’ve been NRA-certified, and ROTC members, being armed. I’d trust them more to make level-headed decisions and do the right thing.

Even better... get the kids out of public schools and either home-school or send to private schools.


38 posted on 12/23/2012 6:14:11 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: MayflowerMadam
Even better... get the kids out of public schools and either home-school or send to private schools.

I'd have been a lot happier if that's what the NRA had said. Butts in seats are money and the fear of losing it will make schools more reasonable.
39 posted on 12/23/2012 6:21:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EEGator

“The females I know in elementary education should not be packing heat.”

I think this cuts right through to the heart of the matter, something most other posters here miss.

The reality is that 95% or more of the teachers and school administrative staff (at least in the blue states) would reject outright the notion of carrying a concealed weapon. The majority would be horrified at the thought (as a majority are probably liberal and embrace the “gun control ideal”). They would support a plan for the government to take YOUR weapons away, it it could.

For a substantial minority, it would probably be unwise to put a weapon in their possession. Either they wouldn’t be able to manage it in a crisis situation — or they might become “a crisis situation”, themselves...


40 posted on 12/23/2012 6:29:05 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: MayflowerMadam
Even better... get the kids out of public schools and either home-school or send to private schools.

That would be far more effective and over time I believe we'll see far more of this.

41 posted on 12/23/2012 6:31:12 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

Holy smokes. You would want to allow Erik Loomis, Ward Churchill, and the dingbats at Seattle Central Community College to carry firearms?


42 posted on 12/23/2012 6:32:11 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: GreatMan
I think I've finally gotten to the root of her issue - she read a "Lefie" article that said our Gov. was mandating that every teacher HAD to have a gun. I told her just by using common sense, I know he did not say that, but she argued and insisted he did. So, I have googled what he DID actually say - no mandate, but considering letting teachers who voluntarily want to carry and are trained, to do so. She's reconsidering her position as I type because I have proved to her that the DMC (Democrat Media Complex) has totally and badly misinformed her.
43 posted on 12/23/2012 6:36:22 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: cripplecreek

My sons both attended elementary/middle/high school in a NYC suburb. The elementary schools ALWAYS employed retired, armed officers, in plain clothes. The middle and high school had an active, town assigned, plain clothes officer in addition to multiple, armed, retired officers. I sincerely thought this was common practice in other towns. Guess not.


44 posted on 12/23/2012 6:36:22 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: righttackle44

This whole idea will come to a screeching halt about the time the left figures out that a ringer can fire off a few rounds in a school.


45 posted on 12/23/2012 6:38:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: teeman8r
if every state would just announce that everyone is guaranteed the right to bear arms and criminals will have to face the consequences

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46 posted on 12/23/2012 6:43:40 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: cumbo78
My sons both attended elementary/middle/high school in a NYC suburb.

You could have stopped right there. Your school issues are on a whole different planet than mine. I can't find any evidence of a single shooting in any of the two dozen or more school buildings in my county EVER.
47 posted on 12/23/2012 6:44:00 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: umgud

“Armed security is costly. A far better way is to allow all school staff to pack heat.”

Bill the union.


48 posted on 12/23/2012 6:54:45 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
This really doesn’t make it fair for the psycho killers.

Agree. Anyone who is against the right of a person to be a psycho killer is a hater. The are just rotten lousy "crazyists." That;s almost as bad as being a racist.

49 posted on 12/23/2012 6:58:15 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Road Glide

I agree completely. The best solution would be to hire retired police or military.


50 posted on 12/23/2012 7:01:57 AM PST by EEGator
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