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Clackamas Mall Shooting: Shooter Jacob Tyler Roberts Trained Using Video Games
Policy Mic.com ^ | 12/14/12 | Tom McKay

Posted on 12/15/2012 1:51:23 PM PST by drewh

Remember the Virginia tech shooting? Video games.

The Beltway sniper attacks? Video games.

And now the Clackamas mall shooting? Also video games, according to nationally recognized former attorney and anti-video game crusader Jack Thompson.

On Tuesday afternoon, shooter Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22, armed himself with a semi-automatic AR-15 and went on a rampage at the Clackamas Town Center in Portland, Oregon. He killed two and wounded another before committing suicide.

Thompson said in an interview that “Given this guy's method, his age group and the randomness of it, it's more likely than not that he rehearsed for this on games.”

It’s hardly the first time he has jumped to that conclusion in the hours and days following a mass shooting.

Thompson has blamed video games, particularly the Grand Theft Auto franchise, for nearly every shooting imaginable.

(Excerpt) Read more at policymic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; clackamas; guncontrol; jackthompsonlies; secondamendment; shooting; strawman; videogames

1 posted on 12/15/2012 1:51:30 PM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

Ewww - can they blame the whole thing on a ‘video’? It almost worked before...


2 posted on 12/15/2012 1:56:05 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: drewh

And I agree. Guns have been with us in the U.S. for centuries. Violent video games, 20-25 years, tops. From Klebold to Lanza, this is a common thread.

THrow in Gansta Rap and much of hip hop and you have a huge piece of the picture.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 1:56:53 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Libloather

garbage in, garbage out. If Hollyweird is gonna give the kids Grand Theft Auto to play on, what will happen to the kiddos?


4 posted on 12/15/2012 1:57:33 PM PST by drewh
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To: SueRae

Add to it death metal, and, would you believe... “melodic death metal”!


5 posted on 12/15/2012 1:58:25 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: drewh

The both watched NBC News, I bet.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 1:59:19 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: drewh

The 9-11 hijackers repeatedly “flew” the mission using Flight Simulator.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 2:03:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: drewh

I forgot his name, but there is/was also somebody else, a psychologist or sociologist. who blamed video games, claimed that the games desensitize people to violence and that players eventually become bored, want to see “real blood.”


8 posted on 12/15/2012 2:04:18 PM PST by Jane Austen (Boycott the Philadelphia Eagles!)
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To: drewh

Yea!He was also educated watching the trash coming out of Holllywood.Its the same damn thing.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:05 PM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: drewh

How much training does it take to kill a classroom full of tots?


10 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:18 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: SueRae

I believe the Columbine attackers were also vkiolent computer game addicts as well.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:37 PM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

So, if I go into a mall and start throwing ice cubes at everyone, will they blame it on World of Warcraft because I played a Frost Mage?

I guess the zero responsibility “culture” has to blame something since no one is responsible for their own choices and actions anymore.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 2:08:12 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (John Winthrop's "City upon a Hill" just became a midden heap. Infested with rats and other vermin.)
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To: Jane Austen

I believe video games are as much to blame and guns are....


13 posted on 12/15/2012 2:11:17 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: drewh

It’s the culture, we agree. But then, once you start listing the elements of the culture that contribute to the moral decay of the citizenry, such as video games, melodic (!) death metal, Hollywood, etc, consumers, fans and users of these genres immediately rise up with protests and sophomoric arguments defending the violent trash.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 2:17:50 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: drewh

Never mind the fact that the schools are teaching subjective reality and the parents don’t know what the kids are watching or playing.

Hollywood is only one tiny piece of the puzzle and removing it won’t make much difference. Andrew Kehoe blew up the school in Bath Michigan in 1927 killing more than any other mass killer in American history and I don’t even think wireless radio was in common usage then. He was hardly the first.

Here is a listing of just “rampage killers” that doesn’t from the Americas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers:_Americas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#School_massacres


15 posted on 12/15/2012 2:33:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: drewh

as i posted else where
let’s not confuse first-person-shooter video games with computer strategy (from squad level through corps level)wargames. but the clips instead of magazines crowd won’t understand the distinction anyway.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 2:43:48 PM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: SomeCallMeTim; All

Call me old fashion, but I would like to blame a*****e who did the crime.. But that is just me..


17 posted on 12/15/2012 2:47:46 PM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: drewh

But never learned how to clear a jam.

Good.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 3:00:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: KevinDavis
Call me old fashion, but I would like to blame a*****e who did the crime.. But that is just me..

Well that's just crazy talk.
19 posted on 12/15/2012 3:03:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: drewh
The murderer's mask is described variously as a "hockey-like face mask," a "hockey mask" and a "white plastic mask;" the MSM employees are talking about one of these Arab Spring / occupy masks?

If so that means this is the same dirty little trick the skid marks on Journalism's shorts ("reporters") used when describing the 1960s and 1970s "anti-war" demonstrators' "red, blue, and yellow protest banners." Those were Viet Cong flags.

20 posted on 12/15/2012 3:08:36 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: bravo whiskey

I’ve always preferred strategy type games.

I haven’t played any in years but the first Metal Gear game was set up so you actually did better by killing only a handful of targets and sneaking past most of the enemies in the game.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 3:10:15 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Those damned Guy Fawkes masks.

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22 posted on 12/15/2012 3:13:47 PM PST by Mears
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The Clackmas shooter was wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and Clint Tarver originally said the guy who started trashing the tent in Lansing was wearing a devil mask but when shown a Guy Fawkes mask he said that’s exactly what it was.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 3:14:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SueRae

Don’t forget the psychotropic drugs that are so commonly prescribed today.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 3:17:25 PM PST by Josephat
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To: cripplecreek

I saw the Lansing video and there was definitely a guy with a Guy Fawkes mask there.

Has it been established that the Clackamas shooter was wearing one? I tend to associate that mask with lefties.


25 posted on 12/15/2012 3:19:06 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: SueRae

Add in a touch of Asperger’s related obsessive/compulsive issues.
Anti-social.
Gamers...

In Conn. and recently in the case where the boy killed his mom and sister (mom was a teacher and assistant principal), it appears that both moms could sense trouble and attempted to clamp down and help their boys.
The one pulled her two kids out of school and began homeschooling.

In the Conn. case, we are learning Adam’s mom stopped working so she could better help Adam.

And this is the reward they got - gunshots to the head.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 3:22:43 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: SueRae

Add in a touch of Asperger’s related obsessive/compulsive issues.
Anti-social.
Gamers...

In Conn. and recently in the case where the boy killed his mom and sister (mom was a teacher and assistant principal), it appears that both moms could sense trouble and attempted to clamp down and help their boys.
The one pulled her two kids out of school and began homeschooling.

In the Conn. case, we are learning Adam’s mom stopped working so she could better help Adam.

And this is the reward they got - gunshots to the head.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 3:22:43 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Yardstick

In the 911 call on the Clackmas shooting the person making the call clearly stated that the shooter is wearing a “V for Vendetta” mask.

I’ll see if I can find a video.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 3:23:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: drewh

Parents keep buying that crap for the lil’ darlings


29 posted on 12/15/2012 3:23:51 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Yardstick

I believe that the Colorado “Joker” movie theatre shooter was a gamer also. There does seem to be a connection to gaming amongst all of these massacre freaks.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 3:24:25 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

Or maybe it’s just that most people of their age-group would have played games?


31 posted on 12/15/2012 3:26:22 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: drewh; Alamo-Girl

Jack Thompson?
Is this the jack thompson from FR a long time ago,
back in the old days??? Nutcase, wacked out lawyer?


32 posted on 12/15/2012 3:30:15 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

It’s a combination of things.

Boys have become a new breed.
They are drugged for ADHD more than girls.

Education has been “reformed” to make sure teaching methods help girls excel.

And they do....locally, when we go to senior awards night - the girls are cleaning up those scholarships.
Valedictorians and salutorians....there are some boys here and there, but girls dominate that too.

They are outnumbering the boys in college.

There are a whole lot of video gaming, pot smoking, shiftless boys out there. Their hair is died black. Their clothes are black with chains. They are covered with tattoos and piercings.

They play their angry music and shoot people on their video games.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 3:30:58 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: drewh

This “shooter” was stopped by a CCW permit holder who drew down on him, and decided not to fire for fear of hitting bystander in line of sight. CCW person was seen by the “shooter” before they decided to shoot themselves dead.

This HAS NOT been in media reports about this.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 3:32:16 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: drewh; abcraghead; aimhigh; Archie Bunker on steroids; bicycle thug; blackie; coffeebreak; ...
If you aren't on this ping list and are interested
in articles about Oregon, please FReepmail me.

35 posted on 12/15/2012 3:33:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Yardstick

Crap now I can’t find the civilian calls to 911 but the police are calling it a “Hockey type” mask.

I do know that its what the called said because FOX ran the text of the call.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 3:42:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Libloather

I blame Post Twinkie Stress Disorder.


37 posted on 12/15/2012 3:52:03 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

I blame Elvis.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 3:57:35 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: drewh
Thompson said in an interview that “Given this guy's method, his age group and the randomness of it, it's more likely than not that he rehearsed for this on games.”...

Or not. Jack Thompson doesn't know his exit orifice from a taco.

39 posted on 12/15/2012 4:09:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: tet68
Is this the jack thompson from FR a long time ago, back in the old days?

The same. Bat Jack is back!

40 posted on 12/15/2012 4:14:47 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: drewh

Whenever I see these horsesh*t conclusions being drawn, I remember something Rush says when they say this food or that food is bad for you: “Every single person who eats carrots is going to die.”


41 posted on 12/15/2012 4:39:11 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks.. I bet it’s the same lefty covering-up (for the occupy pukes) like they did by describing the Viet Cong flag that “anti-war” protestors carried as “red, blue, and yellow” protest banners.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 4:43:36 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: drewh
Clackamas Mall Shooting: Shooter Jacob Tyler Roberts Trained Using Video Games

OK. But what made him (and dozens of others worldwide before video games) do it?

Obtained from an Internet source..

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs

1.  Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2012: [shooter was] taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: [shooter] was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: [shooter] had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien.

4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: [shooter] had been taking antidepressants

5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: [shooter] had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: [shooter was] on Prozac

7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: [shooter] had been taking “medication for depression”.

8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: [no shooting, used rifle to take hostages at school] had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: [the shooter was] on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor

10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: [the shooter] was taking the antidepressant Prozac

11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: [the shooter] was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin

12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: [the shooters'] medical records remain sealed.

13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: [the shooter] was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: [the shooter] had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.

More..

  1. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: [the shooter was found have had] Nine antidepressants [in his] apartment.
  2. Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: [the shooter was taking] Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
  3. Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: [the shooter] was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder”.
  4. Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: [the shooter was on] the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
  5. Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: [the shooter] had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
  6. Concord, California – January 11, 2009: [the shooter was] taking the antidepressant Prozac.
  7. Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: [the shooter] was on an anti-depressant.
  8. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: [the shooter] was taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien.
  9. North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: [the shooter was] taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa.
  10. Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: [the shooter was taking] three antidepressants

43 posted on 12/15/2012 4:53:57 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for posting this.

I actually looked this afternoon at this info. People think this is a new phenomena. I was shocked at the 1927 Kehoe incident. Sort of sounded like OK City.

I will say that until recent times, there seemed to be a designated “target”. Bullying seems to be the most recent “reason”. Not a good reason...but at least some kind of reason. But walking into a mall, theater or classroom of first graders to kill evades me.

The media gives 24/7 coverage to these events. That may well encourage other people to seek that kind of notoriety. What a way to gain fame.

It is kind of amazing (and scary) the number of unhinged people that seem to walk among us. No doubt it’s always been that way.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 6:04:10 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie

Its also important to note that more people = more targets and more nuts. Combine it with 24/7 media and they create the impression of an epidemic.

I was talking to my grandmother tonight and she reminded me of a story my great grandmother told me years ago about someone killing several children in a 1 room school near Petosky Michigan back in 1908 or so.

The fact is that this sort of thing has happened all through history one way or the other where people are gathered.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 6:15:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: drewh
Ever wonder why only two were killed when the shooter had a hi-capacity weapon? Google “Nick Meli” a licensed ccw carrier who confronted the POS and drew his weapon, all in violation of the mall's policy of no guns. The shooter saw him and Nick didn't take the shot because of potential harm to people in the line of fire. He maneuvered for a better position as the shooter cleared his weapon of the jam. The shooter then decided to end his rampage with his own demise after seeing that his 15 seconds of fame were not destined to make history, short circuiting what would could have been a massive body count.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html
46 posted on 12/15/2012 6:23:25 PM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, thanks for checking. Sounds like that’s probably what it was.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 6:50:40 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: drewh

Soon we’ll all build giant slingshots and go on pig-killing rampages.


48 posted on 12/15/2012 7:18:51 PM PST by gotribe
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To: tet68

Jeepers...


49 posted on 12/15/2012 8:28:12 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: KevinDavis
Call me old fashion, but I would like to blame a*****e who did the crime.. But that is just me..

LOL! Oh my.. you ARE old fashioned. We're MUCH smarter these days.. everything happens for a reason, and the blame MUST be assigned. Let's say, GUNS! Yea, that's the ticket. ;-)

The real cause is: FREEDOM.

Liberty brings out the best, and the worst in society. If we want pure security, all we have to do is give up liberty.

50 posted on 12/15/2012 10:41:51 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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