Posted on 12/03/2012 12:30:51 PM PST by Kaslin
House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.
The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.
House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.
The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.
.... and go home for Christmas.
Someone yesterday had the idea that I thought was good.
Let the Dems have what ever they want, just stand back and vote present. That way when it all goes south, the GOP fingerprints are nowhere on any of the bills.
Now that the GOP made their proposal, walk away from any further discussions. The Rats should really like closing “loopholes” instead of raising the rates because it would be more spending money for them
A deal might save the House but this Norguist pledge will definitely lose it and give obama as close to a dictatorship as the country will ever see.
You ok with that?
If I were the Republicans I would say yes to raising taxes on the rich. And to do that we are going to let the “Bush tax cuts for the rich” expire.
What are the Dmeocrats going to do? Come back and say the Bush tax cuts that they claimed for 8 years were only for the rich now include everyone else?
You mean the Democrats and the media lied to the American people? They turned this into class warfare?
Then the Republicans should come right out and say that since the Bush tax cuts were for everyone, they should be made permanent and vote on it. And then they would address taxes on the wealthy in the form of plugging loopholes.
Now mane the Senate vote on it.
Oh, and I would use every last dime from the 2012 campaign and run commercials day and night.
Is it true that the “cuts” are just smaller increases in spending than previously planned?
If *that* is the definition of a “cut” we might as well just declare bankruptcy now, because that sort of “leadership” in the congress will not help.
Old Chinese proverb - “first call things what they truly are.” It is the flip side of Orwell.
BTTT!
Are you kidding? No matter what the republicans do, NO MATTER, Obama will go out and tell the people how bad the pubs are and the state run media will agree with him. Do you think Obama would ever say republicans are good? This is what all this is about, not OUR MONEY, not our welfare, IT IS ABOUT GOTCHA AND OBAMA HAVING ULTIMATE POWER. The Republican Party is done, in fact, any party other than the Obama party is done.
I think that every House Republicans should have simply voted ‘present’ and let the democrats own every bit of it.
We are counter offering our previous offer negotiating with ourselves. Stand up and say “no” and let Obama take it over the cliff with this caveat. When obama says “ now we need a middle class tax cut” — simply say —NOPE. Your deal— Your fault. Cut spending.Over the cliff is better than this cave in stuff.
Obama is not that smart. Judging by the way he does everything else, it's a good guess that he does not play chess well at all.
He is, however, bold and reckless and not driven to find compromise or meaningful improvement, but rather seeks a legacy for his narcissism. He was raised in a culture where outlandish opening positions are taken for granted and lies and deception show skill in negotiating with an enemy.
Our culture is different and is based on mutual respect for opponents and a genuine desire for outcomes that benefit all. It's important to note when your opponent is pursuing a goal outside of your negotiating "boundaries" and adjust accordingly. If this had occurred previously, Obama would have been forced to adjust his style and he has not done that. Either that or he's just too stupid to be aware of what is going on. In that case, the negotiations should be suspended.
I am getting sooo tired of this charade. The deal is obviously done or Omaba would not be going on vacation.
Oh, come now...I play a mean game of chess and can’t play checkers worth a blast. Don’t insult checker players.
Seriously, both sides in this argument are just holding out for bigger bribes. The public interest is irrelevant.
The problem is that half the country is living off the paychecks of the other half. No one is addressing that problem. Not substantially.
It’s similar to the process that finally brought us ObamaCare: years of negotiations and massive bribing for both sides.
There’s no difference between them—this last election proved that. Just as long as someone kicks up cash for 2016...
He was smart enough to get re-elected in the worst financial times since the 1930s. And he did it by painting the GOP as protecting the rich 2% while screwing the 47%...the same way he will win the House in two years if the GOP doesn’t stop reacting and start thinking.
Or the Republicans could go along and increase taxes, and then in 2014, some other big issues will be front and center on voters’ minds, and the GOP will still lose the House. You must be a political neophyte to think that what the House does in December 2012 is going to seal the outcome of the 2014 election. This is the best time to take risks, 2 years away from the next election. If they fold now, they will fold for the next 2 years and get absolutely slaughtered in 2014, because the GOP base will say, “bye- bye”.
It is not that O is so much smarter than the GOP (he's not), or that the GOP isn't thinking ahead (I'm sure they are). It is just that there is no way to compete against a stacked deck and a stupid voting populace.
They need to make Obama delivery on his promises of “transparency” as part of the deal. He gets away with blaming everything on the Republicans by making it impossible to prove otherwise.
Boehner on Obama Tax Plan: "You Can't Be Serious"
The Obama Administration proposal to fix the "fiscal cliff" coming at the end of the year called for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes over current policy.
I think Boehner's plan sound a lot more reasonable then Geithner's
In 2010 the Republicans won despite the loss of 15 million voters they'd had in 2008, because, put in the simplest terms, 30 million Democrat voters didn't show up.
Did you know that in 2006, the Democrats took over the House mostly because 26 million Republican voters they'd had in 2004 DISAPPEARED ~ while the Democrats had only a few million who failed to show.
These different elections have wide swings, but they're not made up of millions of swing voters ~ rather, the parties have pretty much the same, or roughly the same, level of field strength and can probably get out 70 million Republican or 70 million Democrat voters for any given election IF they try hard enough.
In 2006 Republican voters stayed away because it looked like too much of the party leadership had gone Gay. In 2008, both parties made major pushes, but McCain simply couldn't get out as many Republicans as had George Bush in 2004. In 2010, the Democrats faced an angry constituency of their own ~ they'd promised an electric car in every drive but had instead delivered up cardboard bicycles!
In 2012 the Republicans tried the same trick they'd tried in 2008, and about 11 times before, and it still didn't work!
If I read what you said correctly you actually think the 47% comment had a meaningful effect?
Again, back to the 7 million voter drop off suffered by the Democrats from 2008 to 2012 ~ it may have actually benefited the Republicans considerably! Maybe we should try 46% this time ~ and let people impute whatever meaning they can to it.
Or, just tell the Democrats that in 2014 the election is on Wednesday ~ so no early voting ~ we promise the lines will be short.
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