Skip to comments.France and Britain Reportedly Considering Pulling Ambassadors from Israel
Posted on 12/03/2012 8:32:42 AM PST by LibWhacker
Everybody knew that Israel's move to build new settlements in the previously off-limits area outside Jerusalem known as E1 would anger friends and enemies alike. But few probably guessed that it would send European ambassadors fleeing the country. According to a new report from Haaretz, that's exactly what the diplomats from France and Britain are thinking. More specifically, the Haaretz report cites senior European diplomats who say that the two countries are considering "the unprecedented step of recalling their ambassadors." One told the paper, "This time it won't just be a condemnation, there will be real action taken against Israel."
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The “US” would too, if it thinks it can get away with it...
If they go, fine. Convert their quarters to housing.
“...Israel’s move to build new settlements in the previously off-limits area outside Jerusalem...”
Is this area not part of Israel?????? Why can’t they build in their OWN country????????
Amazing considering that Jewish national history is older than the english and French combined.
It was eventually going to happen anyway. Israel is slowly being de-legitimized by the West.
These “nitwits” have brought their own countries to the very edge of ruin by their (insane) immigration policies. They’re the last people Israel needs any lectures from (especially about its internal local home building for its own citizens)
Funny how this hasnt appeared in any British media, which is covering the Israel-Palestinian recent flareup wall to wall.
I smell BS.
Well you been a good and faithful friend Britain...But I must chose the side of God and his chosen...Fare thee well old friend...
Why are Israelis always building “settlements” in warzones? I wouldn’t live in one of those. Does the government do this or private citizens?
I sincerely hope you’re right and this report is BS.
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God Bless the Mass Media!
No guts; no glory.
They aren’t “settlements” any more or less than the town you live in is a “settlement.” They are just communities and homes for Israel’s families and citizens.
Israelis are getting damned tired of living in a “war zone,” as you put it. Quite probably, it seems to me anyway, or at least possibly one of these days (maybe after the terrorists fire another 2000 missile- bombs into Israeli homes, schools, hospitals, and pizza parlors,... or perhaps sooner than that?), Israel will eventually lose patience and get rid of the problem (like any other country would have done long ago, frankly).
Then, Israelis won’t have to live in a “war zone” any longer (but maybe France will really recall its ambassador? Mon dieu! Horrors!).
Until then, as long as the Israeli government continues to exercise such (amazing) restraint for the “causes” of “saving Arab civilian lives in areas occupied by the enemy” and “trying to get along with the neighbors,” Israelis are stuck living either in homes in their “war zone” or they live out on the street or in holes in the ground or in caves in their “war zone.” They choose to live in homes.
90% of the continent is gone. It has fallen to ‘Eurabia’, and total control of the EUSSR.
The French president was apparently asked in a press conference if he’d consider sanctions against Israel. He said not yet, but the fact that it’s even being considered is like some kind of sick joke. Do they sanction leading human rights abuser, Saudi Arabia? No.
Perhaps we should sanction the European Union for its lack of democracy and police state tactics used against the critics of Islam. Sweden in particular has been begging for sanctions what with its Nazi-style ban on home-schooling. This should be our threat to the Europeans. If they sanction Israel, we will sanction them. It’s not like our economy could get any worse under O’Loser.
"A diplomatic source, who declined to be named, said London would decide whether to recall its ambassador later in the day."
Who is the “we” you suggest sanctioning the EU???
The United States government under “fearless leader” would go right along with the EU and sanction Israel...
The “we” you speak of doesn’t have any control over the United States government any longer....
Over in Britain, there’s a firm belief that the two state solution would’ve brought peace to Palestine and Israel years ago and so every new settlement in “occupied” land is viewed as Israel shooting itself in the foot in the long run.
Over here, if you ask the Islamists what they want to happen (it’s not difficult), they are quite candid: the sooner Israel starts flattening Palestine the better. They don’t care about the Palestinians any more than they care about the Jews.
There’s no bigger cheer goes up than when some Palestinian kid throws a rock at the IDF and gets a bullet in his face as a “proportionate” response. Because that’s the kind of propaganda they’re after.
They love it even more when the news here shows a Palestinian school flattened... “because those evil little kindergarteners didn’t do enough to stop Hamas gunmen putting a rocket launcher on the roof.”
And what you need to understand is that as soon as anything like that can hit the news over here, the anti-Zionist media deliberately juxtaposes the reporting of that specific kind of event with a “Meanwhile, on the other side of the fence, in a really posh part of Israel, here’s some moaning minny complaining about how they got a cracked windscreen when a Palestinian threw a rock at their brand new Range Rover (yes that IS how it’s reported).
The Islamists WANT Israel to be seen as the bad guy. They WANT Israel to ignore international law. So of course they stick rockets on school rooftops. Nothing works better for them than flattening some SUV on the Israeli side and then seeing a school flattened in retaliation. Every Israeli retaliation is a media own goal.
I don’t think the ramifications of this has computed across the Atlantic yet (and that amazes me - I always thought Americans were far more media-savvy than us Brits). Did you guys not see how the regimes of Egypt and Libya were toppled pretty much by the power of social media? THAT’S WHERE THE REAL FRONT IS ON THIS WAR!
Some of us friends of Israel now think Israel would be far better off knowing how the game’s being played, and changing their plays.
Israel would be far better off letting the Palestinians have their own state and THEN using the international laws of self-defence against an aggressive state, to defend blowing Palestine off the map. Give the Palestinians their state and stand up in the UN and cite every custom, law and precedent going to say “Here’s what you wanted. But if one more shell lands on our side of the border that’s it, we’re going to flatten you.”
And if Hamas call their bluff there’s not one country in the UN will take their side, just as nobody stood up for Saddam when he attacked Kuwait.
But the only way that’ll work is if Palestine fires first. It HAS to be seen to fire the first shot. He who fires first, loses the PR war.
And you cannot get round that anymore.
You make many good points about the PR war against israel. Israel has the talents to do much, much better at doing some positive pr, too! But Israel should not, and can’t afford to, let its enemies lead it into letting a fear of manipulated bad PR (which unfortunately, will continue to spew forth anyway) for positive actions, whether constructive or defensive. That’s a trap Israel fell into several times before, at perilous risk and great cost in lives and security. Defense first, as any decent country must do for its citizens, building of homes and schools and communities second, as any decent people do for themselves and their children, and yes wage the best PR effort possible but that’s 3rd priority. In my humble opinion. (And the anti- Semitic PR assault will, regrettably, continue because the saudis are dumping tons of money into it, along with the madrasahs and camps to indoctrinate the terrorists and train them how to use bombs and missiles). In short, just do the best u can to build and defend your country and yes, try to do a much better PR job along the way. Yes, indeed, although whether Isr can ever match the PR crap being thrown at it? I doubt that. Just how it seems. The infiltration and subversion of the mass media appears quite extensive. Best regards, fhc
“Something Hitler didn’t know about the Brits is that eventually they’d surrender ~ same with the French ~ just a matter of waiting them out.”
Alternatively - something us Brits understood over 70 years ago that Israel and America STILL haven’t figured out yet (despite both having ample opportunity to get it) is that if you want the politicians and the history books to declare you to have the moral upper hand you must ALWAYS let the other guy take the first shot. You make the truce and make darned sure everyone sees him break it. And, make darned sure everyone sees that his attack was *totally* unprovoked.
The history books will unequivocally state over and over again that whenever a FOREIGN STATE launches an unprovoked attack, everyone will accept that any response by the victim state, no matter how devastating, is legitimate.
In the Israel/Palestine debate it’s all gone wooly. Palestine is not a foreign state. It’s seen as part of Israel by the rest of the world. It’s occupied by Israel, it’s militarily contained by Israel, and it’s blockaded by Israel, and for those reasons Israel can no more nuke Palestine than England could’ve nuked IRA heartlands.
This is precisely why Israel, not Palestine, needs to totally change the terms of the game by doing the last thing the islamists want or expect. Give them their nationhood. Nukes can be pointed at Iran without anyone crying foul, and on the exact same basis they could also be pointed at Palestine.
IF it’s a nation state.
Totally agree with everything you say there, but I’d cite the Northern Ireland example as a case in point.
All the time England acted defensively and actively hunted down the IRA, who hid inside communities they terrorised, we achieved diddly squat. The Loyalist paramilitaries cited our support as their motivator, when in fact most of us hated what those guys did in our name. The biggest driver to peace for the Six Counties was Omagh. Because after that event everyone was crystal clear who the real enemies of peace were. There was no argument anymore. Even those who hadn’t decommissioned, did so.
And now what’s left of the Troubles? A band of about 50 bored kids kneecapping drug dealers and hanging round a dozen has-beens who still think they’re part of something big when they aren’t.
I know what I’m saying does sound like a very risky strategy for Israel given it has other enemies in the region, but Ahhmedinajad uses proxies like Palestine simply because Hamas is an easy way to keep Israel’s eye off the real ball.
The stateless nature of the Palestinian people while they’re technically living in a state of occupation is the one thing that enables them to lob rockets over the wall. That’s what empowers Hamas. That’s what makes them useful to Iran.
Take that away from them and they’ll have no military might whatsoever, and no defence. Israel would be able to point a nuke at them. Any remnant dissidents in Hamas will have all the moral and strategic power of an IRA splinter group.
At that point, Palestine will be too busy reconstructing and too scared of the consequences to start anything, and Egypt and Jordan will be quite happy to leave things as they are.
We know that because of all the nutters in the Middle East, Saddam was by far the most unhinged and even he didn’t dare bring it. Ahmedinajad’s nowhere near as insane as Saddam, and we already know he won’t start anything he can’t finish unless he has allies who’re equally willing to commit to huge loss of life for a fight that’s not worth having.
So in the long run, resolving Palestinian statehood will do far more defensively for Israel than building more settlements in contested territory. Even if it means ostensibly giving land away,
Britain and France will never be on my good side again
Thanks. Israel tried that softer or “let them amass massive weaponry and attack first” (for the sake of “peace” or PR or whatver) approach for over 50 years. It lrd to insecurity and substantial losses in lives. Isr also tried the “give away your homeland for peace” approach and all it got them was 1oooo deadly missiles pointed at them. No, those approaches are proven losers. Proven over and over again. Sorry about that but that’s what 50 years of Arab murders have done. Now Isr needs to just get on with it, rebuild Zion and stop trying to be so very very nice and gentle and appeasement-prone. All those wonderful humanitarian efforts have only been interpreted as weakness and invitations to more murderous attacks. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem, yes for sure, but keep the powder dry. As president Reagan said, peace in this difficult world comes from strength (not weakness or reticence or any failure of resolve, all of which just invite more attacks missiles and terrorist bombs). Or something like that. The idea you wrote about sounded wonderful for a world 50 years ago, it has since, regrettably, been proven (by several Arab attacks and hundreds of terrorist bombs and thousands of terrorist missiles) to be very counter-productive. But thanks for your ideas. Much appreciated. Best regards,fhc
Really small nukes though ~
All true, except that the Pali’s don’t want a state for just this reason. So long as they’re a mere “territory”, they don’t have to play by any rules and cannot be held accountable for their actions.
“No, those approaches are proven losers.”
Yes, because the one thing the Israelis have never ever done is officially give the Palestinians the statehood they claim to want.
No sovereign nation has to tolerate aggression from another sovereign country. NONE. If any other country attacked Israel, most of the people that FReepers think are anti-Zionists in Europe would be on Israel’s side in a heartbeat. Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Afghanistan - if any of those nations attacked Israel the West would take Israel’s side.
But at the moment, the average man on the street in Europe still thinks of the West Bank as a province of Israel which is just as much Samaritan, Christian or Jewish as it is Muslim, hence they see Israel’s claim of greater victimhood as incongruous with its militarily dominant position.
What he tends not to understand so well is the argument of forcibly displacing one group of settled Israelis in favour of another group of settler Israelis, in Israeli territory, when there’s more than enough land for them all to live on and they’re all surrounded by Israelis with guns who’re overwhelmingly on the side of the settlers anyway and by the way what kind of settler wants to live in Bandit Country when there’s prime beach front all-Jewish real estate sitting empty on the Med Coast, far away from the rockets and the smelly A-rabs.
The word round here, unfortunately, is “lebensraum”. People just can’t see the argument not having the two state solution unless Israel wants the whole area ethnically cleansed so it can be 100% Jewish.
Again, all this misconception would be easily rectified IF the Palestinians had statehood because even the dumbest of anti-Zionist Brits understands the concept of border security.
“So long as theyre a mere territory, they dont have to play by any rules and cannot be held accountable for their actions.”
Of course. If people look at the history books, they invariably observe that every nation that’s ever sought independence from an oppressive government (yes, America, that includes you!) has used any means necessary to repel the occupying forces in the game of winning independence, without the rest of the world saying “you can’t do that”.
That is precisely the same moral argument that the Palestinians use to muddy the moral waters and that is why the two state solution is so vital.
History proves your premise wrong. First, two-thirds of mandatory “palestine” is already under arab governance. Second, multiple arab and/or islamic sovereign governments have not led them to be peaceful with their neighbors or anyone else. Quite the contrary, they often use those territories into terror-tories to threaten or attack their neighbors. Read the history, and the newspapers. Third, it is certainly none of our business to tell Isrealis where they can or can’t live in their own country. Indeed, this may be the greatest danger to “peace” right now. Last, perhaps your country has extra land and you can persuade your government to give it away if you wish (not that the possessors of such a great part of the earth’s surface need your donation) , but israel plainly doesn’t have any more extra land to give away and cannot risk to give any more of it away anyway, particularly not the defense-necessary highlands,to such hostile, murderous terrorist thugs who’ve already amassed over 10,000 missiles pointing at Jerusalem and much of the rest of israel. Nor should mass murderers be rewarded for their evil deeds. (At any event, that won’t happen.)