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Judge: Obama Admin Can Force Hobby Lobby to Obey HHS Mandate
Life News ^ | November 20, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/20/2012 1:12:51 PM PST by NYer

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To: ksen

The government does not make new products. They provide money and private companies design and build the products.

Anyone who have dealth with the govt knows that most of their procedures are not cost effective. Its is “free” taxpayers money so they could care less about cost.

We would still have medical progress but it would be more expensive.


181 posted on 11/21/2012 6:00:54 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Ingtar

I wonder what would happen if Hobby Lobby decided to pursue liquidation over this.


I actually think thats what obama is hoping for. They only have two choices. Throw their religious beliefs out the window or be forced to pay crippling fines that will drive them out of business.


182 posted on 11/21/2012 6:20:35 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: NYer

Take it to a higher court and FIGHT this Hobby Lobby.

All citizens SHOULD be horrified by this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


183 posted on 11/21/2012 6:29:42 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NYer
“If you like your current insurance … you will keep your current insurance. No government takeover. Nobody’s changing what you got.”

Lying bastard. Our First Amendment rights have been spit on, trampled on and breached. Rebellion is in order. It is time to storm DC and make our voices heard.

184 posted on 11/21/2012 6:36:58 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ksen
On mandatory insurance: It's reasonable to require auto insurance for those who choose to drive; this is because choosing to drive means choosing an activity with a big potential to cause a whole lot of damage to somebody else. It's a consequence of propellng a large piece of machinery around at 40, 50, 60 miles an hour. You're creating enhanced risks for other people; that's whay requiring auto insurance is justified.

The same is not true for just existing --- being a legal resident of the United States. Just "being here" creates negligible risk of calamitous damage to other persons and their property.

On physician supply and climate of care: Of course there are many factors which influence the supply of doctors: number of openings available in med school, the burdens of student debt, etc. But a big one is the climate of care. With the disappearance of freestanding doctors' offices, small practices and even small hospitals --- due to much higher overheads, complex record-keeping and omnipresent minute regulation --- the care environment becomes depersonalized, even "industrialized." Couple that with stagnant or dropping levels of compensation, and you see lots of doctors leaving medicine (Link) and patients suffering from big declines in personal care.

Literally hundreds of thousands of examples of this in the U.K.

NHS: shabby, unsustainable, our future.

185 posted on 11/21/2012 8:00:22 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Hobby Lobby could cancel all insurance, pay the $2000 penalty, and know they didn’t buy insurance that covered birth control.

They're not facing a $2000 penalty. They are facing fines of $1.3 million per day. That's a daunting prospect for a family-owned business.

186 posted on 11/21/2012 10:04:32 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Ingtar
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Free Exercise has been redefined as what happens during the worship service. Not how you live your life.

187 posted on 11/21/2012 11:32:08 AM PST by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: Gamecock
Free Exercise has been redefined as what happens during the worship service. Not how you live your life.

Hey Game, you may have some weird ideas but this one is right smack on the mark. It stinks. If the shareholders of Hobby Lobby do not want it managed in that manner, then they should buy its Christian owners out, not coerce them to play along with actions that they are convinced that God forbids. And neither under any reasonable view of the US Constitution should the Federal government have any right to coerce them thus, either.

188 posted on 11/21/2012 11:41:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: ottbmare

This has gotten way out of hand.

Liberals want to punk society through the government.


189 posted on 11/21/2012 11:44:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All

This leftist stray alley cat ksen sneaked in here and now wants to be fed. If fed, it will shortly demand the right to keep on being fed.


190 posted on 11/21/2012 11:49:52 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: NYer

Time to go “Twinkie” on them.

Shut the doors, turn out the lights and close.

Do not compromise your faith, ever.

(I am sure most of the young ladies working there are lib. . .the odds support that. . .and voted for The Messiah. Let them reap what they sowed.)


191 posted on 11/21/2012 11:52:44 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Mr. K
Interesting. . .the courts found a muslime-owned Dunkin Donuts franchise had a right to NOT serve the breakfast bagel (HAM and eggs). . .and that that muslimes can't be forced to handle bacon when working a grocery store check-out line. . .hmmmm
192 posted on 11/21/2012 11:57:58 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Cicero

He “grew” in office.

That is how libs describe conservatives that become liberal.


193 posted on 11/21/2012 12:02:34 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

We have principle headed for a train wreck again.

The USSC might, narrowly, do the right thing here. And since the exact scope of Obamacare coverage isn’t dictated by Congress but by bureaucrats, said bureaucrats have room to be flexible if they want to be.


194 posted on 11/21/2012 12:02:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Hulka

There are many slips between the cup and the lip, and it might also be possible that the right argument was never made and the right precedents never presented. Some weird decisions come out of badly argued cases.


195 posted on 11/21/2012 12:04:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: JediJones

“Employees could afford their own policies if government intervention, control and regulation wasn’t driving up the cost of health care so much.”

And sleazy ambulance-chasing lawyers. Can’t forget the sleazy ambulance-chasing lawyers.


196 posted on 11/21/2012 12:06:03 PM PST by Hulka
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To: ottbmare

Well stated.

Bravo.


197 posted on 11/21/2012 12:14:14 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

There’s some of that, but if there weren’t also a large dumb population willing to sell their soul to the lawyers, the lawyers themselves couldn’t get very far.


198 posted on 11/21/2012 12:15:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Osage Orange; DonaldC

Donald’s tagline: “A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle”

Yet. . .I find Donald’s position contrary to that tagline.


199 posted on 11/21/2012 12:16:51 PM PST by Hulka
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ha. . .so true. . .so true.


200 posted on 11/21/2012 12:20:49 PM PST by Hulka
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