Posted on 11/20/2012 1:12:51 PM PST by NYer
I don't think so. Any kids you had at age 24 or older could still be eligible for your insurance after you turn 50. If you had a kid at age 35, she'd be eligible until you're 62.
Here's the problem with that line of reasoning. If Paul's house burns down and he has no fire insurance on it, we would just say, "Too bad for Paul... he should have bought fire insurance."
But if Paul gets cancer and has no health insurance, very few of us would say "Too bad for Paul... I guess he's going to die."
People are not sympathetic with someone who makes a poor financial decision such as fire insurance. But most people are willing to pitch in to save someones life -- in the US they always have been. That is why all of our hospital systems began as charity hospitals.
Our problem for the last 45 years after allowing the government's nose under the tent of health care is that now it has become a massive bureaucracy that cares nothing about Paul's cancer. Paul is just another number to them, not a person who we would extend empathy to. The bureaucracy is incapable of empathy or of caring weather Paul lives or dies. He's just a cypher amidst a mass of paperwork to them.
We have managed to remove the human element of compassion from health care and made it a budgetary matter for faceless, and in fact heartless bureaucracies to handle and often corrupt and greedy 'health care providers' to deliver.
The "charity" and simple human empathy element of health care has been nearly totally removed from the equation. It is now big business thanks to government involvement.
Not good.
Well, Judge Heaton, you arguably can tell the owner of a going concern, even a privately held going concern, that the government can compel him to follow the HHS mandate. I think you’ll find it might be more difficult for you and HHS if the CEO of said concern says “Okay, we talked it over and we can’t in good conscience continue Hobby Lobby as a going concern with those laws in place. We’re closing all our facilities, terminating all our employees, basically winding up the company. We’ll help our employees find new work, and make sure they (and potential employers) understand we’re not doing this because they’re bad employees, but we’re also going to be very honest and open with them all about why we’re doing this. And laws and court decisions like these are exactly why we’re doing this. And then you people can deal with the financial and human consequences of 18,000 newly unemployed people, and decide whether you really like your laws that much.”
Actually, it was pulled out of the Heritage Foundation's well-traveled backside.
Very bad news. It’s interesting that they’re attacking the Protestant organizations first, even though there were only a couple of groups that opposed Bambicare. At the same time, the Catholic Church as a whole has said it’s not going to implement Bambicare (and has also filed suit), but the secularist forces don’t feel this is a good time to confront the bishops. Too bad for them, because our bishops get more conservative and more aggressive every day..
I think the government may be hoping to threaten smaller groups or even the friends of these groups enough to make them back off. Some of them will, some of them won’t. When they go after the Church (I’m betting by January), I think things will be a lot clearer for all people.
Go back to school because, in the case of Papa John's, having to charge/pay $0.14 more for a pizza will kill the economy. :rolleyes:
Paying in income-type tax would be much less burdensome to businesses than the current system of yearly negotiations with insurance companies and administering the insurance paperwork for their employees.
And it's not very liberating for the employee, because he can't reduce his costs by living as healthily as he can and opting for cheaper coverage to prevent catastrophic losses, such as a Major Medical plan or a Health Share plan, or no coverage it all. (The latter has heretofore been common for Americans who are in low-risk groups, e.g. young unmarried employed men ages 20 - 30, who choose to take that $nK a year and put it into something they want more, i.e. a business start-up.)(We call this "choice".)
Welcome to the burdens of living in a modern society. We make it mandatory here in Florida to purchase auto insurance to protect people from having to deal with paying for things out of pocket caused by uninsured motorists. Health coverage ought to work the same way, everybody pays in and it is there when you need it.
It also results in a sharp reduction in the number of providers, since doctors will get out of a system which micro-manages their professional and ethical judgments and triples their paperwork. Most potential medical students won't bust their butts to go through all those years of schooling, internship, residency, etc. just to be put in the shackles of a system "with all the efficiency of the U.S. Postal Service and all the compassion of the IRS".
We're already undergoing a severe shortage of doctors and it's been happening since before the passage of Obamacare. It's caused by a population increasing faster than the medical schools can push out doctors. Fix the supply of doctors by building more medical colleges and making it so that becoming a doctor doesn't mean taking on crushing levels of student debt.
And who do you think is the largest funder of medical innovation and progress in the world? The US government funded National Institutes of Health to the tune of over $30bn annually.
Maybe it is time for you to move on to DU? Conflating religious freedom and conscience with racism and or bigotry is a leftist tactic.
YOU are a leftist!
And? It’s not like I’ve been trying to hide it.
You need to get deprogrammed -your mind is corrupted by leftist propaganda. YOU are one of Obama's useful idiots advocating for government imposed tyranny.
The Heritage Foundation may have had part of the idea, but it did not ram is idea down the collective throat of the nation in defiance of the people’s desire. The plan Heritage advanced had none of the complexity and intrusiveness of the current 2700-page law, which was thrown together in a few months by people who had no clinical experience whatsoever. Eventually, after some consideration and feedback, Heritage dropped the idea. Obama did not.
The ACA is an interesting piece of legislation. Have you read it? The entire thing? Do you have to work within its constraints? Are you familiar with the functioning and shortcomings of the hideous National Health Service of the UK? Do you have either medical research or clinical experience? I have. I submit that if you too could answer those questions in the affirmative, you’d have a more realistic idea of the effects of Obamacare, and of the single-payer system for which you long.
“If a corporation is a “person”, then why doesn’t it have religious freedom?”
Great question!
I’ll venture a guess, if I may: because it’s not consistent with the Marxist left’s agenda (21?) for America.
Hobby Lobby could cancel all insurance, pay the $2000 penalty, and know they didn’t buy insurance that covered birth control.
I can’t wait for a conservative president to require all businesses to reverently display posters of Jesus throughout their work environments. It would tak Congress to help, but it might not infringe, as long as no one had to do anything with it beyond displaying it.
Well we have been looking at a couple of Christian Schools. And College of the Ozarks seems interesting. Our local university doesn’t seem to bad or Sul Ross out in Alpine... I guess it will be a wait and see.
Thanks bro!
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True but I gave my word to my employees and even if it costs me money... I must keep my word.
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I guess that means muslims may not be allowed to run halal meat markets? or Bakeries? Hmmmm I have a feeling Obama will find a way to compromise with them.
Most muslims will sell anything in their store. They can sell but not use or prepare. They are not required by any law to sell or stock any particular product.
Insurance is a whole different ballgame. I'm sure your premiums pay for all kinds of stuff that is against religion but we can't really pick and choose how the money is spent once we send in our premiums. I don't thnik they can win this.
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