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EDITORIAL: Florida’s tainted vote
The Washington Times ^ | November 9, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 11/09/2012 5:24:39 PM PST by jazusamo

Election shenanigans surface in Allen West’s congressional race

Florida just can’t seem to count votes properly. After the embarrassing “hanging chad” debacle of the 2000 presidential election, similar games are now being played in the contest between Republican Rep. Allen West and Democratic challenger Patrick Murphy over the 18th Congressional District seat. Mr. Murphy claims 160,328 votes to Mr. West’s 157,872, but the GOP is questioning the integrity of the vote count, particularly in St. Lucie County.

On election night, Mr. West had maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2,000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections inexplicably “recounted” thousands of early ballots, resulting in an awfully convenient 4,400-vote shift in favor of the challenger. Observers on the scene charged incompetence, intimidation and possible fraud on the part of local election officials. Mr. West has asked a judge to impound the ballots and order a recount to set things straight.

Lawyers for the West campaign have been overseeing the process at the Riviera Beach vote tabulation center, and they told The Washington Times that they’re concerned about what they have been seeing. Temporary workers are helping the local staff oversee the count of absentee ballots, those damaged by voting machines and ballots in which the three pages have become separated. They are making new ballots to replace the damaged ones, and are required to mark them with the same votes. Florida law allows observers to be present during this process, however, election officials are effectively denying poll watchers an opportunity to keep tabs on what’s going on.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012election; allenwest; democrats; florida; voterfraud
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To: jazusamo

Simply means..that if We the People are to be disenfranchised .....

“Direct” disenfranchisement refers to actions that explicitly prevent people from voting or having their votes counted, as opposed to “indirect” techniques, which attempt to prevent people’s votes from having an impact on political outcomes (e.g., gerrymandering, ballot box stuffing, stripping elected officials of their powers).

And by not challenging it, fighting it..and getting in their faces about it...we grant permission for it to continue....and even worse...increase the probability of needing to resort to the cartridge box for resolution.

We have no further obligation to pay taxes. And we are the only ones paying them!!

41 posted on 11/09/2012 7:55:08 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: jazusamo
"Since the 2000 election I've believed it was a huge mistake to abandon the punch card voting system."

You are on the right track jazusamo, but where there are people who will steal your money if they can, every bit of unnecessary mechanism provides them an opportunity. I have a video showing the Broward county election board workers, paid by the League of Women Voters, counting punch cards by running the same small packet of cards through a counting machine - again and again. The video was made by two counterculture - left-wing if you please - journalists who decided to run against the old machine politicion Claude Pepper.

The brothers Collier also located the warehouse where the punch card machines were stored and filmed machinces whose rolls had been pre-punched. The paper rolls in those machines were the media upon which votes were recorded, and provided redundancy for the punch cards. Voters never have a chance to look inside of the locked machines.

The brothers sued the FBI, Florida Attorney General, and produced mountains of data. Their conclusion was that voter fraud was sanctioned at very high levels in our government, fifty or so years ago, even protected. here was a special office at the FBI dedicated to squelching claims of voter fraud. Their case was finially thrown out of court on a statute of limitations claim, though there is no statute of limitations law regarding voter fraud. Janet Reno was the Assistant AG who killed their case. A Florida attorney famous for taking on the federal government represented them until he was warned to stop, and skulked away. Their book, probably no longer in print, was called Votescam.

Paper ballots may not be the only way, but any process must involve obtaining a count before choices disappear into a black hole of computer memory, or counts from a machine scanner that scans in a closed box and stores its count in computer memory, while the ballots are sent to marginally secured storage locations under the control of party-specific (whichever party controls the state AG) election operatives, most of whom these days are SEIU employees.

Get the picture? The precincts are the last place the original ballots exist, under the control of and supervision of representatives of each party. That is the only stage where the vote count can be trusted because each individual present has the trust and responsibility to check every ballot counted by whomever. The assumption, one which I subscribe to, is that citizens value their freedom and the respect of their peers. In close quarters, where representives of different parties are there to check the integrity of those reading ballots, they will all do their best. All those present in the counting session sign with their honor that the count is complete and accurate to their knowledge.

One might add video surveillance to the process since the technology is very mature. Most casinos have the ability, and do read every card in every hand played in their facilities. If they don't observe in real time, they save the tapes. But today, no ballots are counted up front, and for that reason, no vote cast in the US can be verified by a citizen who respects the cornerstone of representative government. Every bureaucrat has plausible deniablity because he or she, if he sees anything, sees the output of an anonymous machine. Open an account in a bank and you probably have a bank officer's signature. Boxes of ballots used to have the signature of precinct workers who did the counting. Those WERE the official results. Today, in many if not most states. the results are reported by SEIU employees, and we don't have their signatures.

42 posted on 11/09/2012 8:01:53 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: jazusamo

Florida’s been cheating the vote for more than 30 years. Elected Republicans need to deal with this before they’re all magically voted out of office on the same day.

The way to catch dems cheating is to seed each precinct with some fake names - then after the election see how many of them ‘voted’. Where the hell is our FBI? If they want to be useful saving our country this is more important than spending billions looking for some mentally ill ‘lone wolf’. Really. Everyone needs to grow up and get real.

43 posted on 11/09/2012 8:02:50 PM PST by GOPJ (New York Times Slogan : "We rewrite Democrat Press Releases Better!")
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To: jazusamo
Chicago, NYC and Boston is where many of those people came from. They stole everything they could up there and retired down here with their bad habits.

When LTC West first started running he got a lot of resistance from the S. Florida Republican establishment. They treated him like dirt.

I'll bet that many of them voted for Murphy this time.

44 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:15 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: jazusamo

You know, I hate to quote Moochelle, but, for the first time in my life, I’m ashamed of my country. Not us, not the 49%, but the government and those in ‘authority’. For years, I told my wife that her country of birth, Mexico, was corrupt to the core, and it would take a long time to correct it. Here in the US, we learned over decades, with Serpico, etc. With this election, as in recent ones, I’m ashamed at how the corrupt do this and the spineless let them get away with it.

I am so sorry to be saying this.

45 posted on 11/09/2012 8:06:32 PM PST by time4good
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To: jazusamo

Does anybody know of a place with a concise listing of all the voter problems.

46 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:09 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: sarasmom

What is the explanation for those percentages?

47 posted on 11/09/2012 8:11:14 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: jazusamo

Ping for tomorrow.

If I read this before bed I won’t be able to sleep. And...It’s been a bad week for sleep.

48 posted on 11/09/2012 8:21:37 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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Where the hell is our FBI?

Living in Obama’s back pocket.

49 posted on 11/09/2012 8:23:18 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: opentalk

“He is probably on his own in this, ideally the GOP should be in there with him helping fight for the seat.”

Yes, and Romney first and foremost! If they will do this to Allen West, they will do whatever to remain Mitt-less as well. And Mitt is looking like the bigger victim here. The more I see this looks like the outright theft of an election, across multiple states too.

I certainly hope these states are vigorously verifying their election votes and results before sending their electors to Washington. I also hope they are doing everything within their power to include the votes of our military.

That said, if they find verifiable garbage, it needs to be purged and the tally recalculated! Canvass the results and verify the votes cast!

We should not be made to suffer and accept fraud, and it is glaringly apparent that it has occurred on a breathtaking scale!

Before election night Romney was riding high.

— Romney was winning the debates
— Romney was winning the polls
— Romney was winning in enthusiasm
— Romney was winning in Republican registration increases
— Romney was winning with crowds

Then the crowds disappear on election day? I cannot reconcile the reality that existed before the election to the resulting outcome — at all. They are incongruent.

— Obama looked defeated right down to the anguish in his face — he knew he was defeated.

Results in Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Florida are all suspect right now.

I’ve been disappointed in election outcomes before and I can let that go, but when my sensibilities tell me we’re being shammed on an epic scale... I can’t get OK with that.

50 posted on 11/09/2012 9:19:01 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: sarasmom
As Mr. West is facing this level of blatant election fraud ...
I wonder if Mr. Romney might want to reconsider his concession speach?

May justice prevail!

51 posted on 11/09/2012 9:23:38 PM PST by thecodont
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To: itsahoot
We are doomed if not one person in the US has standing to challenge an election.

Or challenge a potentially ineligible occupant of the White House.

52 posted on 11/09/2012 9:25:13 PM PST by thecodont
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To: sarasmom

“I wonder if Mr. Romney might want to reconsider his concession speach? “

Thank you!

Sadly, I only see the fraud numbers and incidents detailed on a couple of web sites, but this drip, drip, drip of fraud appears to be massive in its scope.

This could be the crime of all time in our midst!

53 posted on 11/09/2012 9:25:43 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: txrefugee

I am in..... LETS ROLL!!!!

54 posted on 11/09/2012 9:30:07 PM PST by jcwink
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To: mo

Well stated!

55 posted on 11/09/2012 9:30:40 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: dowcaet

The GOP will never solve the problem of voter fraud. This should be a national movement by the party, but they are too gutless to confront. Plus as long as some of the candidates are TEA party members they would rather let them loose rather than fighting for them. The GOP is still unfriendly to the TEA party and conservatives in general.

56 posted on 11/09/2012 9:38:27 PM PST by princeofdarkness ( Nobama. No more. No way. November 2012.)
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To: jazusamo

Saved for reading later.

57 posted on 11/09/2012 9:50:38 PM PST by JayNorth (Barack Obama and Joe Biden are proof positive that two wrongs don't make a right!)
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To: jazusamo
It's the way Obama and his thugs do it, they don't give a whit that everyone knows it.

You're finally catching on to something I warned people about once Obozo became the candidate back in 2008.

This is Chicago politics playing on the national stage.

They spit in your face and dare you to do ANYTHING.

I KNOW... I grew up in Illinois and still have many relatives in Chicago and the suburbs. I moved away in 1980 and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it was the BEST move I ever made.

58 posted on 11/09/2012 9:51:54 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: jazusamo
In addition to Palm Beach county being screwed up by election supervisor Theresa LaPore, Jeb Bush had to relieve the Broward County supervisor of elections Miriam Oliphant.

South Florida Democrats are as corrupt as they come.

Illiterate St Lucie Supervisor of Elections Bucher

59 posted on 11/09/2012 9:53:52 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (People will vote for Obama to replace a god that they don't believe in)
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To: lacrew
Lacrew, you can by looking up Rebecca Mercuri. You will find her website and many of her papers on electronic voting at There is an organization called which I followed for a while. I will take another look. I became impatient because they dealt with many of the details of what I have presumed was a fatally flawed system. They may have been taking the practical approach that their chances of eliminating voting machines was slim, enhancing the likelihood of identifying might be more productive than trying to reform the whole system. Do look at their site,

There was also a Stanford engineering professor who published lots of papers on vote fraud. I don't recall his name at the moment, and don't see it, so try Professor David Dill at Stanford. He is much involved with the risk of electronic voting and probably keeps an extensive list of references. Try Bing or Google (Google’s involvement in the Arab Winter and the scrubbing of Supreme Court cases has caused me to avoid them when I can).

Mercuri’s publishing seems suddenly to have died out about five years ago. One can wonder why, but it may be that so few understand or believe that our systems are as flawed as they are that she can't afford the time. Remember, even if you aren't an electrical or electronic engineer, that simplicity is the key. Once voting systems involve DNA checking or voice recognition (DRE) or generate reports of probabilities based upon a variety of warnings, they are anything but transparent. Paper ballots placed in a locked box by the voter, in the presence of a half dozen or more precinct workers is about as secure is one can make it. The box is only opened with everyone present, and everyone is present during the count. Each counted ballot is placed into the archival storage box, never to be handled unless by court orders. That is simplicity and transparency which might have resulted in different results for a number of elections, certainly including this one.

60 posted on 11/09/2012 10:00:10 PM PST by Spaulding
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