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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
CenturyLink.net ^ | October 27, 2012 | Robert Burns, AP

Posted on 10/27/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by QT3.14

The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis' home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: admiral; benghazi; gaoutte; military; navy
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To: QT3.14

Did he threaten to ignore Obastard’s orders to stand down and allow the Benghazi attack to continue?


51 posted on 10/27/2012 12:08:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: GalaxyAB
I’m suspicious he had a problem with his zipper.
Bubba Slick Willies' Puala Jones problem?...
or an Col. Ollie North problem (telling the truth)?

52 posted on 10/27/2012 12:10:05 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: QT3.14
He must have had the coordinates for Site Y.

Things may be getting tense in the five-sided office building.

53 posted on 10/27/2012 12:12:18 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: George Varnum
"And don’t count on much of that"

Counting on, and preparing for, all of it!

54 posted on 10/27/2012 12:12:37 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: combat_boots

Assuming that most of the other 50% are loyal Komrades to begin with, the Political Officers (KGB in the Soviet Navy we understand) will only have to scuttle a few boats with all hands aboard when the order comes to launch on Israel.

Who knows what O is capable of ordering after Nov. 6 - no matter who comes out the “winner”.

Obama may have a hell of a deal for us;
another indefinite term for him and his Muslim Brotherhood as undisputed and absolute rulers, or nuclear holocaust and potential extinction of the human race.

Do you really think that Muslims care a diddle about the survival of our species if they can’t control it?

Think of Obama with a nuclear suicide vest, holding the red button in one hand and a Quran in the other...

Take it or leave it, World...


55 posted on 10/27/2012 12:13:54 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: DesertRhino

Nonsense! Look at how well presidential selection the only route in and out of Kosovo that F-117s could use worked out.


56 posted on 10/27/2012 12:14:22 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1376 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: rdax

that second in command should have been shot on the spot.


57 posted on 10/27/2012 12:14:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: QT3.14

The Obama Purge continued


58 posted on 10/27/2012 12:15:44 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Rome2000

“Civilian control of the military is way over rated.”

Not if you believe in our form of government. Incompetent civilian control of the military is over rated as they usually peter principle the incompetents in the military to higher positions.


59 posted on 10/27/2012 12:16:29 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rome2000

No, it isn’t. We occasionally get an asshat in office and we’ll deal with that problem. You don’t go effing up the Constitution, which WORKS and HAS WORKED for over 236 years, longer than any other western governments’ forms of government because of an asshat. You get rid of the asshat.


60 posted on 10/27/2012 12:17:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GalaxyAB
I’m suspicious he had a problem with his zipper.

Normally, I would agree. But Gouette is one of only three commanders who were relieved within the past 24 hours.

In at least one case, there seems to be a connection to Benghazi and the absence of presidential action...

61 posted on 10/27/2012 12:19:27 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: George Varnum

If it came down to that, I seriously believe there’s too many good people who can defend themselves, for them to be stopped.


62 posted on 10/27/2012 12:20:27 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Rome2000
Civilian control of the military is way over rated.

You've certainly gotten a lot of flack for that.

May I suggest this turn of phrase for next time?:

Civilian micro-management of the military is way over rated.

63 posted on 10/27/2012 12:21:06 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1376 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: DesertRhino

“Civilian control yes, civilian TACTICAL control, NO. “

I’d say in almost all cases yes. It’s called DELEGATION and that’s what those guys are trained to do. That’s why they’re in the positions they’re in.


64 posted on 10/27/2012 12:22:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: QT3.14

Surprise, a Stalin like purge...but hold that thought.

Before YOU make an impassioned plea for someone to come forth with the truth, state your position on NDAA. The stakes for a leak are pretty high now, a dark cell in Poland even death.

Just state your position, it’s not a high hurtle sitting there behind your keyboard. I promise I won’t call you a boot licker, though I can’t speak for others.


65 posted on 10/27/2012 12:30:21 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Re your #57; I suspect that all of our major officers are now surrounded by Obama loyalists who are under orders to apprehend or kill them immediately if they get out of line.

The troops that these officers actually command who might be more loyal to them then the REMFs in Washington are probably kept well away from them so as not to be able to defend them when the purge comes down.

I sense that we are on the dagger’s edge between the soft and the hard purge now; don’t be surprised if dissident Generals simply cease to be seen or heard from after being “relieved of duty”.

Stalin systematically murdered about a third of his Officer Corps, thousands of them.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSpurge.htm

Brought up by his “Uncle” Frank Marshall Davis, Obama knows his Stalin well - especially what worked to keep him firmly in control of his empire.

You know how history tends to repeat itself...

Something is very apt to happen within our military any day now, and I’m afraid it isn’t going to be pretty.
We may be seeing the beginning of it even now.


66 posted on 10/27/2012 12:30:45 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: Haiku Guy

67 posted on 10/27/2012 12:37:08 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: QT3.14

I’m curious as to the reason for the new head of the Med fleet having a 10.5 hour visit to the White House on 1/27/11.

http://white-house-visitors.findthedata.org/l/1271311/Troy-M-Shoemaker


68 posted on 10/27/2012 12:50:20 PM PDT by Rebelbase (The most transparent administration ever is clear as mud.)
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To: George Varnum

Could be the other way around ~ or, another alternative is that there are a bunch of imbedded KGB agents in the ranks.


69 posted on 10/27/2012 1:09:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: advertising guy; LucyT

is this what you were hearing was coming down??


70 posted on 10/27/2012 1:31:43 PM PDT by bitt (These Commies are making it impossible to stick to my self-imposed moratorium on foul language)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

me too!


71 posted on 10/27/2012 1:33:54 PM PDT by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ...

dastardly ping


72 posted on 10/27/2012 1:38:16 PM PDT by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: bitt

this could be Obummers stupidist move and I’n series


73 posted on 10/27/2012 1:45:16 PM PDT by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: okie01

Three commanders? Who is the third?


74 posted on 10/27/2012 1:48:48 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Obama & Benghazi will forever be linked in the history books.


75 posted on 10/27/2012 1:59:21 PM PDT by CheneyChick (01/20/2013)
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To: Travis McGee
Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

Of course, not following orders and all but who is this second in command?

76 posted on 10/27/2012 2:09:34 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the time of no return?)
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To: CheneyChick
Obama & Benghazi will forever be linked in the history books.

I'm guessing they won't be re-writing the Marine Corps Hymn in his honor --

From the shores of Tripoli,
to the streets of Benghazi...

77 posted on 10/27/2012 2:14:19 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: bitt

At least Fox is going to stay on top of all this crap as it plays out.


78 posted on 10/27/2012 2:21:02 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: advertising guy

keep giving us your droplets!


79 posted on 10/27/2012 2:23:30 PM PDT by bitt (The buck rolls downhill.)
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To: bitt

can you just imagine the snippin goin on at the White Hut..
...my guess.....some there are scared to death and some actually prayed for the 1st times in their life and not to govt, but to God

this is as big as it gets


80 posted on 10/27/2012 2:39:26 PM PDT by advertising guy (" that lie has it's own sleep number " David Feherty PGA Championship 2012)
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To: George Varnum
Why else was a man like Panetta selected as CIA director, then Defense Secretary?

Leon Panetta’s Communist Ties

WHO IS THE WHITE HOUSE MOLE? (Leon Panetta's Communist Party USA ties)

Wolf Blitzer Should Apologize To Allen West

"A Democratic member of Congress from 1945 to 1947, DeLacy was a CPUSA member, but his party membership was only confirmed after he left the House. After he left Congress, he moved from Washington state to California and lived in a congressional district served by then-Rep. Leon Panetta. Back in 1983 Panetta inserted a tribute into the Congressional Record recognizing DeLacy and his wife Dorothy, another communist, for their commitment to “social justice” and resisting “the dark forces of McCarthyism.” Panetta had provided DeLacy a sensitive congressional document dealing with military affairs."


81 posted on 10/27/2012 3:10:59 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: George Varnum

Brought up by his “Uncle” Frank Marshall Davis, Obama knows his Stalin well - especially what worked to keep him firmly in control of his empire.

You know how history tends to repeat itself...

Something is very apt to happen within our military any day now, and I’m afraid it isn’t going to be pretty.
We may be seeing the beginning of it even now.


I’ve looked over most of the comments on this thread and I can see the logic of where most people are coming from. I do have some hope though in the fact that the members of our armed forces are all volunteers. That fact tends to weed out those who entered the forces with a ‘chip on their shoulder’ like I saw during the Viet-Nam war and the draftees. And things like ‘fragging’ came about because of it.

Today though I think that a general purge of officers might have the opposite effect on the troops. Unlike in Stalin’s Army there aren’t “loyal” forces following the main shock wave of ground troops with orders to shoot anyone who appeared to be lagging behind or not showing the “proper fervor”.

But even with these factors in our favor, I believe that real bad things could be happening and may even now be unstoppable. Perhaps Benghazi and the Cover-up I see occurring, is just the tip of the Iceberg here?


82 posted on 10/27/2012 3:16:07 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: QT3.14

Maybe he didn’t accomodate the homosexuals bunk partner requests quickly enough.


83 posted on 10/27/2012 3:24:19 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mosesdapoet

Issa issued a subtle, (or not) plea on Friday night....saying something to the effect of it would be good if the video from the attack was leaked.

Time for these 2 military men to be issued a subpoena to get to the bottom of this...I’m betting they’ll be happy to talk about the events of that day under oath....


84 posted on 10/27/2012 3:39:03 PM PDT by milford421 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke))
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To: combat_boots
I do know that at least 50% of our nuclear submarine commanders have slowly been replaced over the last 4 years by those who are loyal to 0bama.

I hadn't heard that one. Good grief.

85 posted on 10/27/2012 3:55:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

From what I understand, it was common practice in the Soviet Navy to have at least one KGB “Political Officer” on board to monitor the scuttlebutt; often imbedded secretly among the crew no one knew who it was but they knew they were being watched so were very circumspect as to what they said about their communist “leadership”.

Another duty of the PO, especially on the nuclear subs - if there was any deviation from orders they were to scuttle the boat with all hands - including themselves - aboard.

Apparently it’s not hard to send a sub to the bottom for good from the inside if you know what you’re doing, and the POs did.

I would be surprised if our military isn’t infested with Obama’s equivalent of the KGB - probably most of them Muslims, but some may actually be trained by the KGB.

Would expect every ship to have at least one on board at all times, and several assigned to every post.

They probably have a list of all personnel who are a little too Christian, Jewish, or “Patriotic”. When the purge goes hard, they will be going down their little list taking care of business.

Expect lots of “workplace violence” and landfills full of America’s finest... if they don’t wake up and take preemptive measures, that is. Those measures might have to be a little drastic for all I know... which ain’t much really.

For some reason, I don’t think they have a lot of time left, whatever’s coming down.


86 posted on 10/27/2012 5:05:48 PM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: GreyFriar

It would help to know if the Stennis was in the Med or the Persian Gulf on 9 Sep 2012.


87 posted on 10/27/2012 5:10:38 PM PDT by zot
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To: zot

Okie sent me this: “I believe the Stennis is in the Arabian Sea. At the time of the Benghazi event, there were no carriers in the Mediterranean.”

See post #10 of this thread.


88 posted on 10/27/2012 5:37:03 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks. I also saw on another thread that the Stennis is in the Persian Gulf.


89 posted on 10/27/2012 6:26:46 PM PDT by zot
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To: combat_boots
"This means that 0bama DID give the order to stand down."

Right - they can't have it both ways.

With Obama and Jarrett, maybe they can....eventually, its got to fall apart.

Its going to fall apart, right? Isn't it going to fall apart soon?

With these people in power, this is not the America I grew up in.

90 posted on 10/27/2012 7:16:55 PM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all-it bothers me.)
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To: USNBandit
"How much data does it take to put aircraft over the target area?"

I read on another thread that Hillary was trying to get permission from Libya to fly over their airspace - over their borders. Apparently you HAVE to ask for it.

Screw it, US territory was being ATTACKED. The embassy and the consulate are US SOIL. It is WAR. Why do you HAVE to ask Libya for ANYTHING!?

91 posted on 10/27/2012 7:26:01 PM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all-it bothers me.)
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To: GalaxyAB
"I’m suspicious he had a problem with his zipper."

And he just happened to be relieved of his command now - during Benghazi - when it was politically a disaster for Obama - right before the election - right before he said screw it, we're going in to help consulate personnel - while the personnel were under attack - on US soil as consulates and embassies are - after only moments after his second in command apparently relieved Ham under Ham's duress?

I don't think it was a zipper problem.

Do you really think a zipper problem is why Ham was so unceremoniously relieved of his command only moments after he decided the consulate needed back up?

92 posted on 10/27/2012 7:58:02 PM PDT by hummingbird (Obama campaigns right in our faces. Doesn't bother him at all-it bothers me.)
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To: bitt

Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!


93 posted on 10/27/2012 8:49:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: rdax

If it was a bunch of girl scouts I’d agree that they shouldn’t go into an area unless it was safe. But for God’s sake this is the military we’re talking about - and our people were on the ground being slaughtered. Is someone implying that taking out a target that was shooting at our people was too ‘dangerous’ for an airplane? This is bull...


94 posted on 10/27/2012 8:57:21 PM PDT by GOPJ ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOuxqK2T34)
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To: rdax

“General Ham then received the order to stand down.”

Good post. Remember, Obama has taken great pride in saying that Libya was liberated without American blood being shed. Obama did not want potential voters to wake up to our uniformed military being KIA.

So, DOD assets were told to stand down as CIA subcontractors, whose presence could be concealed, were tasked with extracting diplomatic assets from the Mission. Also, those operators were familiar with the battlefield and were leveraged with local friendly militia.

As the battlefield was so unshaped and on/off and populated by hostiles of unknown strength and unknown weapons, this was a reasonable tactical choice anyway.

Other rapid response units that could have gotten there would have been too little and too late.

General Ham and Africom, were frustrated that in this theater of their responsibility, they were not in position to act effectively.


95 posted on 10/28/2012 8:26:28 AM PDT by gandalftb (The art of diplomacy says "nice doggie", until you find a bigger rock.)
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To: GOPJ

Agreed.


96 posted on 10/29/2012 2:16:32 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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