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Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group
CenturyLink.net ^ | October 27, 2012 | Robert Burns, AP

Posted on 10/27/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by QT3.14

The Navy said Saturday it is replacing the admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East, pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette is being sent back to the USS John C. Stennis' home port at Bremerton, Wash., in what the Navy called a temporary reassignment. The Navy said he is not formally relieved of his command of the Stennis strike group but will be replaced by Rear Adm. Troy M. Shoemaker, who will assume command until the investigation is completed.

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

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KEYWORDS: admiral; benghazi; gaoutte; military; navy
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Benghazi related?

News also just out Gen. Ham (Africom) getting replaced.

1 posted on 10/27/2012 10:59:19 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Check out this thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2950882/posts


2 posted on 10/27/2012 11:01:47 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: QT3.14

The administration may have found their scapegoat.


3 posted on 10/27/2012 11:02:58 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: magslinger

FYI


4 posted on 10/27/2012 11:03:40 AM PDT by ken5050 (Another reason to vote for Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will perform at the WH Christmas party)
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To: QT3.14
If so, I think their hands were tied and dared not respond unless the ... the .... mulatto bastard said so ... and he didn't.

Whatever ... too late ... 4 men are dead ... murdered.

If they get ANY punishment ... the zero needs to be in chains ..

FIRST !!!

5 posted on 10/27/2012 11:04:00 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: QT3.14

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/37144547/Interesting-Rumor-Concerning-General-Carter-Ham-and-Stand-Down-Order.aspx

I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:
“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.


6 posted on 10/27/2012 11:04:30 AM PDT by rdax
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To: QT3.14

Shit just got real...


7 posted on 10/27/2012 11:06:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: knarf

Civilian control of the military is way over rated.


8 posted on 10/27/2012 11:06:34 AM PDT by Rome2000 (NO ONE IN ROMNEYS DIRECT LINE HAS EVER SERVED THE UNITED STATES IN UNIFORM 170 YEARS)
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To: QT3.14
Navy replaces admiral leading Mideast strike group

Scapegoats for the greater good - to take the blame that Panetta, the 'Beast and most of all, der 0berFurhrer Hussein 0bama, should be answering to!

9 posted on 10/27/2012 11:06:50 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ( For AMERICA's sake: Vote for the Mormon, NOT the muslim; The Capitalist, NOT the Communist! FUBO!)
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To: QT3.14; zot; Interesting Times

Possibly not based upon this paragraph:

“The Stennis group deployed from Bremerton in late August and had entered the Navy 5th Fleet’s area of operations in the Middle East on Oct. 17 after sailing across the Pacific. The Stennis made port visits in Thailand and Malaysia on its way to the Middle East.”

No mention if it is in the Med or somewhere near the Persian Gulf, which is also the Middle East


10 posted on 10/27/2012 11:06:50 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: QT3.14

Perhaps a sign that honorable military men are disagreeing with
their ‘political officers’ and are getting sacked for that.


11 posted on 10/27/2012 11:07:23 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: TigerClaws

Maybe this is the same story. Replacement of Ham.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2951017/posts

The former SEALS went anyway, and Ham was ready to go in.

Next, we’ll the USAF and USMC taking heat, I suppose.

After all, these top commanders can’t be killed right NOW...must wait until after the election and the ‘flexibility.’

If 0bama wins, it is going to be.....
If 0bama loses, everyone had better be ready because it will be too late.


12 posted on 10/27/2012 11:08:13 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: QT3.14

Grooming the scapegoat most likely. The buck rolls downhill.


13 posted on 10/27/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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This means that 0bama DID give the order to stand down.


14 posted on 10/27/2012 11:09:31 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: All
Forgot to add this item from the article:

It is highly unusual for the Navy to replace a carrier strike group commander during its deployment.

15 posted on 10/27/2012 11:10:30 AM PDT by QT3.14 (ZerO: Our first Affirmative Action pResident)
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To: Psalm 144
The buck rolls downhill.

I'm stealing it!

16 posted on 10/27/2012 11:15:02 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Osama bin Laden is dead, Chrysler moved to Italy and China.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

With my blessing.

:-)


17 posted on 10/27/2012 11:17:32 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: QT3.14

“She’s gonna blow!” I just found this, it rings true.

Interesting Rumor Concerning General Carter Ham and Stand Down Order (Posted on 10/26/12 at 9:45 p.m.)


I heard a story today from someone inside the military that I trust entirely. The story was in reference to General Ham that Panetta referenced in the quote below.

quote:


“(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.

The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africon.

I found this story when I got home after hearing this story.

quote:


President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen. Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Thursday.

General Rodigues Nominated as Head of Africon

As I was typing this I heard John Bolton on Greta say that there are conflicting reports of General Ham’s comments on this tragedy and why a rapid response unit was not deployed. Bolton says someone needs to find out what Ham was saying on 9/11/12.

Interesting to say the least.


18 posted on 10/27/2012 11:17:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: QT3.14

There are a lot of Benghazi “leaks” comming from somewhere and it usually comes from someone at a lower level that’s in the chain of knowledge. The first thing the top of the chain politician does is go after those areas they suspect are challanging their decisions.


19 posted on 10/27/2012 11:17:43 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great para/p)
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To: Rome2000
Civilian control of the military is way over rated.

Except that it's in the Constitution.

20 posted on 10/27/2012 11:19:46 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: FlingWingFlyer; Psalm 144

Remember...the “O” said “The buck stops with YOU”....(NOT “here”)


21 posted on 10/27/2012 11:24:35 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: rdax
"(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,”

How much data does it take to put aircraft over the target area? The deliveries these CIA operatives would have wanted could have been achieved with little or no risk to the pilots.

22 posted on 10/27/2012 11:24:38 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: combat_boots; All
This means that 0bama DID give the order to stand down.
..was there any doubt?...every real officer shall have to look over ...
their shoulders now for pRes__ent O'Bozo 's "Political Officer"
d@mn Careerist officer..hang 'em from the mast.

23 posted on 10/27/2012 11:24:39 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: Travis McGee

Wow, he put the official rubber stamp on the “study” to determine whether gays should serve in the military, then when the last head of africom was relieved they sent him to be his replacement, and now he’s relieved. Shows how loyalty only goes one way.


24 posted on 10/27/2012 11:26:37 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: Never on my watch
"I understand that it is tough," Panetta said. "We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond."

Except, of course, when Americans in Benghazi call for fire support.

25 posted on 10/27/2012 11:30:30 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: QT3.14

Does zero really think that high ranking, deployed (as opposed to Pentagon brass like powell) officers are going to take the heat for zero’s and clinton’s mismanagement???


26 posted on 10/27/2012 11:31:23 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: QT3.14

“Night Of The Long Knives?” Euphemistically speaking that is.


27 posted on 10/27/2012 11:31:33 AM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: rdax

General Ham is a good ma. I have no problem believing this story.


28 posted on 10/27/2012 11:31:50 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: QT3.14

http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-to-nominate-army-gen-rodriguez-to-lead-africom-1.193564

The Zero is on a purgapalooza ala Joseph Stalin?


29 posted on 10/27/2012 11:32:19 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: skinkinthegrass

But it also means 0bama was cool about Stevens being dead.

What did Stevens know?


30 posted on 10/27/2012 11:32:49 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: rdax

Wow - I totally believe that! Lets hope he doesn’t get invited to a meeting @ Ft. Marcy Park


31 posted on 10/27/2012 11:34:05 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: QT3.14
It could be the White House perceives a flag-rank level mutiny happening among U.S. forces deployed in the Middle East. Carter Ham and Shoemaker may just be part of it. It might amount to official complaints filed by these guys over Benghazi. Or refusing to sign on to the White House version of Sept. 11-12. The assistant commandant of the Marine Corps is also being replaced. Where was he on Sept. 11?
32 posted on 10/27/2012 11:38:33 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: combat_boots

I’ve been warning about the coming military purge a-la Stalin 1933 for some time now.

So far we have seen many field grade officers driven out, prematurely retired, or jailed for lack of fidelity to the Muslim in charge.

Gen. Ham was probably looking down the barrel of a 9mm knowing what would happen if he tried to resist - the bloodletting phase of the PURGE would have begun.

It has come so close during this incident that I can’t imagine that the mass murdering stage won’t soon begin.

I wonder how many officers might have actually shot each other over the Bengazi debacle, and we will never know about it?

I suspect that you are about to see targeted assassinations of Officers whose loyalty to Obungo is questioned. They will make it look like “accidents” or “hostile fire” at first; expect a lot of mysterious plane crashes with field grade officers on board, just like the plane carrying all of those absentee ballots for the troops.

If significant units turn on their PC hack officers and mutiny, as some apparently came all too close to doing this time, hell will lay a big fat juicy egg and the Juma will dance and yodel “Allah Achubaw” as the US military destroys itself all around them.

Either way, Obama is assuring himself that a coup will not happen, and the American sheeple will remain at his and his mercenary thug DHS brownshirt’s mercy as they deploy to enforce martial law...
And don’t count on much of that.


33 posted on 10/27/2012 11:40:02 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: glorgau
"I understand that it is tough," Panetta said. "We are asking an awful lot of each of you, but frankly you are the best I have and when the world calls we have to respond."

...but frankly you are the best I have ...

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.

34 posted on 10/27/2012 11:41:47 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Should have read Gaouette instead of Shoemaker in above post.


35 posted on 10/27/2012 11:42:01 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: QT3.14

So we are blaming the military for Benghazi? This just gets worse and worse. God help us all.


36 posted on 10/27/2012 11:47:08 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: combat_boots
But it also means 0bama was cool about Stevens being dead.
What did Stevens know?
enough to get him killed / murdered...now, if he were a Muslim...
"Malaise / Stand-Down" O'Bozo, may have acknowledged his (Stevens')
sacrifice..since he wasn't; he was treated like Camel dung.

37 posted on 10/27/2012 11:47:23 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: rfp1234
Perhaps a sign that honorable military men are disagreeing with their ‘political officers’ and are getting sacked for that.

More likely a sign that the admiral was messing around with a female subordinate.

38 posted on 10/27/2012 11:48:28 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: George Varnum; Cicero

I do know that at least 50% of our nuclear submarine commanders have slowly been replaced over the last 4 years by those who are loyal to 0bama.


39 posted on 10/27/2012 11:48:42 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: GreyFriar
No mention if it is in the Med or somewhere near the Persian Gulf, which is also the Middle East

I believe the Stennis is in the Arabian Sea. At the time of the Benghazi event, there were no carriers in the Mediterranean.

40 posted on 10/27/2012 11:51:47 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
It could be the White House perceives a flag-rank level mutiny happening among U.S. forces deployed in the Middle East.

Starting to remind me of the movie 'Seven Days in May' that I saw again last night.

41 posted on 10/27/2012 11:52:56 AM PDT by QT3.14 (ZerO on Benghazi...needs sign on desk: THE BUCK NEVER ARRIVED HERE)
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To: QT3.14

Bump for later.


42 posted on 10/27/2012 11:55:12 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: rdax

Mflr


43 posted on 10/27/2012 11:56:23 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
The Zero is on a purgapalooza ala Joseph Stalin?

Just what I was thinking.

44 posted on 10/27/2012 11:57:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Either that, or there’s resistance against Zero’s possible wag-the-dog strike in the Middle East.


45 posted on 10/27/2012 11:58:04 AM PDT by rfp1234
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To: QT3.14

I’m suspicious he had a problem with his zipper.


46 posted on 10/27/2012 12:00:09 PM PDT by GalaxyAB
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To: Sunshine Sister; All
So we are blaming the military for Benghazi?
not US..only the 'rats pols and their Media Morons ...
believe this cr@p garbage..but i agree..God help us all.

47 posted on 10/27/2012 12:01:56 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth. - RWR 8-)
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To: USNBandit

Civilian control is fine as it has always been. But civilian OPERATIONAL control has been an unmitigated disaster.

The examples are endless. White House selection of the actual flight routes, and of when and how to turn off target decimated the B-52s in Linebacker II. It got many men killed and almost resulted in mutiny to stop the insanity.
Now almost all missions, SEALS with the Mersk Alabama crew rescue, the mission to get Osama, Blackhawk down, etc etc all have something in common. Direct instant communications and shoddy decision making coming from the White House.

While civilians should always be the authority for starting the fights. They should never be giving tactical orders to a pilot, a shooter, or a ship captain. This was the forte of Hitler as he authored one disaster after another.

Civilians who fancy themselves generals are a nightmare. This is like the police officer seeing an armed bank robbery in progress, and everyone insisting that the Mayor should be able to direct the cops aim with an earpiece and a live video feed.

Civilian control yes, civilian TACTICAL control, NO. FDR did not personally select the D-Day bombardment targets and beaches.


48 posted on 10/27/2012 12:06:45 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: GalaxyAB
I'm suspicious that you're a lib troll.
49 posted on 10/27/2012 12:06:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: GalaxyAB

Has Obama located a shi’a replacement for him?


50 posted on 10/27/2012 12:07:08 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1376 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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