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Why Obama is likely to blow the second debate too
Hotair ^ | 10/15/2012 | J.E. Dyer

Posted on 10/15/2012 7:14:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The short answer is: because he’s got nothing. There is no record to run on, no argument to make for four more years. The ideology that drives him is outdated and bankrupt. He has, in fact, implemented his policies – Republicans have had little means of stopping him – and those policies are the problem.

But there’s a slightly longer answer too. Obama’s advisors will read the mainstream media assessment of the vice-presidential debate – they actually think a debate that turned women across America off of Biden was a draw, or a Biden win – and conclude that what the president needs to do is find his inner Joe Biden. Appeal to his base by going on the attack, perhaps interrupting, being visibly annoyed at the trend of Romney’s statements, and vigorously asserting untruths in the interest of racking up effective soundbites.

Petulant attack-doggery isn’t Obama’s style, so I don’t predict that he will simply adopt the Biden posture for this week’s debate. What I do think is that Obama and his handlers will be looking to enhance the president’s trademark pace and balance in public speaking (which does descend rather often into a sonorous drone) with more Biden-like spice. This won’t come naturally to Obama, any more than his occasionally put-on “black accent” sounds natural. It’s not who he is, and he won’t be good at it.

Of course, the townhall format this week can be worked to Obama’s advantage, and no doubt will be. Obama need not be thrown softballs, but he will get questions framed to suit the answers he is likely to have – and he probably won’t be troubled much with questions framed in a confrontational manner.

Romney probably will be. He will have to think more quickly on his feet, turning hostile questions into jumping-off points for getting his message across, while conveying a sense of goodwill and avoiding red herrings. If there is a “silly question” for the debaters – say, “If you were an Oscar-winning movie, which one would you be?” – it may well be barbed with false implications about conservatism, Republicans, or even Romney himself.

Romney will have more choices to make in his approach and substance. There are a lot of things he could say; what will be the most effective? We can reasonably suppose he will perform again as well as he did in Debate 1.

Obama doesn’t have those choices, because he’s trying to stay in office – to tend cronies and inflict ideological constraints on the people – using arguments that don’t accurately represent what he’s been doing for nearly four years. He has no intention of changing course, regardless of what the current course is inflicting on the American people. Yet he can’t argue in the campaign for his current course – at least not to anyone but his base – because it is so ridden with failure and the scent of corruption. Americans continue to turn against his signature legislation, ObamaCare, and even the New York Times is beginning to doubt the effectiveness of his foreign policy.

So we can expect to hear more about Romney giving a “$5 trillion tax break” to the richest Americans, along with the other canards about Romney-Ryan policy (e.g., tossing Grandma off the cliff) being trotted out over and over by the Obama campaign. These mendacious soundbites have lost their impact, but what else does Obama have? Personal attacks on Romney?

If the president makes a decision on retaliating in Libya before Tuesday night, he may be able to speak at the debate from a perspective of putative decisiveness, the commander-in-chief moving forces around. A new line of tactical operations would blunt Romney’s justifiable criticism of how the White House has handled the whole matter. I don’t foresee this dynamic winning the debate for Obama – a belated military response has little hope of trumping the public’s nearer-to-home concern about the US economy, the national debt, and constitutional freedoms – but if it comes off, it will probably be gratifying for his Amen corner in the MSM.

Gratifying them is not enough, however. Whether he plays to his base or the MSM, Obama will not be playing to the constituency that matters: the majority of likely voters. His appeal to that constituency in 2008 depended on his being an unknown quantity, and that’s what he no longer is. Obama doesn’t have any more tricks in his bag. This is it.


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1 posted on 10/15/2012 7:14:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Already posted potential debate strategies BEFORE stories came out on Drudge showing a lot of leftists want to riot:

Obama debate agenda: Threaten rioting and/or civil war. Brazenly lie. Throw the entire nation under the bus.

Romney debate agenda: Advocate peace and unification. Just tell the truth. Throw Congress and Federal Agency heads under the bus.

Click here for original post.

2 posted on 10/15/2012 7:15:46 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Given how bad the polling moved against Obama this week, Biden lost his debate badly.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 7:17:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: SeekAndFind
Romney deserves to lose because he worked for a successful company named Bain Capital twenty years ago and he referred to the 47% at a fundraiser.

So there!

4 posted on 10/15/2012 7:18:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

             

5 posted on 10/15/2012 7:19:00 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: SeekAndFind

As much I hope Obama goes down for the count in this debate, I am rather uneasy making early predictions like this.

If you remember before the first debate, there was a lot of pressure on Romney to hit a home run, as I remember, even calling it a “Hail Mary” (which of course he succeeded).

I don’t want to seem like a party pooper, but I think the BO camp might have some things up their sleeves, but I am anxious to see how and if they actually work out.


6 posted on 10/15/2012 7:19:57 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: SeekAndFind
So we can expect to hear more about Romney giving a “$5 trillion tax break” to the richest Americans

I would hope that Mitt would go straight to Candy Crowley on that -- "Candy -- you've done your homework. You know that's a lie. An outright lie. In the last debate, I told the president he was wrong to say that. Here we are two weeks later, and he's still saying it. There is no excuse. [Look at the camera] To you at home, I tell you that the president is lying to you. He will say anything to stay in power. We must stop this man."

7 posted on 10/15/2012 7:20:45 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama does NOT benefit from the format for this debate. They are going to have to talk to the audience and answer its questions not directly confront each other.

He is dead meat.


8 posted on 10/15/2012 7:20:49 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Both candidates know there will be split-screen displayed and their reactions will be visible. For that reason, Romney will most likely be smiling, note-taking, and/or courteous.

Hopefully, The Messiah has been coached to imitate Plugs Biden, making faces, gesturing, head-shaking, laughing, etc., and make a complete ass of himself ALSO (just as Plugs did). This would appeal to his dufus-base, and blacks who think Whitey is the enemy and condescending.

Even with pre-planted Obamabots in the Town Hall farce, Romney can, once-again, appear "Presidential", and cite PAST PERFORMANCE and destroy Obama on that basis, alone. He just has to keep his cool, and point out the false accusations as they are couched in the questions.

9 posted on 10/15/2012 7:20:49 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: SeekAndFind

And no teleprompter.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 7:21:03 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. i told my coworker exactly the same thing. they are so insane they will probably try to do a biden redo.
clueless!


11 posted on 10/15/2012 7:22:02 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because he is not that bright?


12 posted on 10/15/2012 7:22:58 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: SeekAndFind

Because Obama couldn’t do any worse than the first debate, he will do better this time.


13 posted on 10/15/2012 7:23:15 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

Romney took the shirt off his back, he has nothing up his sleeves nor has sleeves.

This will be as bad or worse than the first one.

We all saw how well Mitt does in debates for much of the year not just two weeks ago. He is as good as I have ever seen. He is much smarter and quicker than The Disaster who is not very smart at all.


14 posted on 10/15/2012 7:25:16 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

RE: they will probably try to do a biden redo.

So, Obama is going to smile, smirk and interrupt Romney? yeah that’ll work. /s


15 posted on 10/15/2012 7:26:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: arrogantsob
Obama does NOT benefit from the format for this debate. They are going to have to talk to the audience and answer its questions not directly confront each other.

Which is where CandyBar Crowley comes in. She's already said she'll do what she wants, which will be saying "Governor Romney, what do you think about what President Obama just said about you?" and such as her "followups" to the audience questioning. She's going to make the opportunities for Obama to speak to Romney.
16 posted on 10/15/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: arrogantsob

I agree, Romney is as good of a debater as I’ve seen. Even in the primaries, Newt really couldn’t lay a hand on him and we know how good Newt is.


17 posted on 10/15/2012 7:31:06 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah it’s going to be a very amusing debate. When he ran for a first term, the foreign national could promise and promise. Now it’s a completely different story. Now it’s going to be “lie and lie” and everybody will know it.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 7:31:15 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Bosco

“he will do better this time.”

No, he won’t. He’ll strut out like a peacock and sound like Mussolini addressing a black shirt fascist rally.

Buckwheat is boiling cauldron of hatred under that veneer of mumbling stupidity.


19 posted on 10/15/2012 7:32:14 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

While I never supported Romney in the primaries, he is a much more disciplined candidate than Obama. Barry has nothing to run on. Everything is in the cellar since he swooped into office. Romney should be more than ready for the supposedly ready Barack Hussein Obama.


20 posted on 10/15/2012 7:33:54 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: traditional1

I have never seen a man more able to keep his cool than Mitt.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 7:34:08 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: arrogantsob

I got to agree with you. Obama has run into one slick dude in Romney. IN the GOP debates they tried to hang a ton of stuff on him and failed.

Newt Gingrich found that out. And I was for Newt at the time.


22 posted on 10/15/2012 7:34:48 PM PDT by crz
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To: sergeantdave

I about spit my drink out on that one! LOL!


23 posted on 10/15/2012 7:36:10 PM PDT by crz
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To: SeekAndFind

I think he will try to make up for his dull performance in the last debate by coming on like gangbusters. He will end up looking hostile and petty.


24 posted on 10/15/2012 7:36:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SeekAndFind
He has something. Plenty.

The main problem he has is he can't clearly state what he really believes in - communism or socialism or "progressive" politics. He knows the American people won't buy it this time around. He got the benefit of the doubt last time but I think many have figured out what his game really is.

His second big problem is he was never that great of a speaker but McCain was not capable of exploiting that obvious fact.

While I can't say I agree with Mitt on some things I have no worries about if he is a loyal American, understands that everything we are depends on on keeping our nose in the Constitution or understands the simple fact that capitalism and the United States are inseparable and for good reason.

I've said it before and I will say it again. The disgrace in this election is that it remains so close. It shows you that a significant percentage of our population don't have a clue as to what this Country is really all about.

25 posted on 10/15/2012 7:37:28 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard that this will be the first Presidential Debate in history to be covered by a blimp!


26 posted on 10/15/2012 7:38:23 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trying to decide which one to DVR, the debate or the Tigers game.


27 posted on 10/15/2012 7:39:05 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: Batman11

There is no reason to bring Moochelle into this.


28 posted on 10/15/2012 7:40:08 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Obama campaign has a deal with CNN to have planted questions in the audience. He already knows what's going to be asked. I have a feeling that the reason they want less of a moderator roll in this debate is because it will disturb the already planned questions, and answers. This is a theory that I have, and it is not based on any rumors or anything that I have heard.
29 posted on 10/15/2012 7:40:58 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney should diss O in a polite way...figure out a way to get under his skin and make him blow his cool and forget his script and go on a rant. Let people see who he really is.


30 posted on 10/15/2012 7:41:19 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: MNJohnnie

What I hear from women that I know is that Joe Biden reminded them either of a) their EX-husband or b) their WORST boyfriend

No wonder Romney’s getting the support of women in the key swing states


31 posted on 10/15/2012 7:46:20 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: arrogantsob
They are going to have to talk to the audience and answer its questions . . .

As I understand it the questions are to come only from undecided voters, and Crowley gets to cherry pick them.

32 posted on 10/15/2012 7:48:40 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama’s first debate performance was no surprise. He’s is a strident ideologue to his core that does great when speaking about a idea, a vision, a new path, a shining way. Now that that the facade of hope and change is worn thin, and he needs to be a politician to even compete in a debate with Romney he has nothing. Nada, zilch to speak about. He’s lousy at politics, is ashamed at his failure to get traction and materialize his great and wonderful ideas. His only refuge will be to attack, and will be made to look foolish by Romney. It will be a slaughter.


33 posted on 10/15/2012 7:48:55 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Rules leaked.

http://gawker.com/5951977/leaked-debate-agreement-shows-both-obama-and-romney-are-sniveling-cowards


34 posted on 10/15/2012 7:49:35 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: eyedigress

“There is no reason to bring Moochelle into this.”

That was actually referring to the Candy Gram Blimp that will be covering the debate! But Manchelle’s big butt would also qualify.


35 posted on 10/15/2012 7:49:56 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: eyedigress

LOL!!!


36 posted on 10/15/2012 7:57:30 PM PDT by TXBlair (Don't stop at Hasan's beard; shave off his entire head.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has the NYT declared Ohbummer the winner yet? You know Mathews has.

Pray for America


37 posted on 10/15/2012 7:59:45 PM PDT by bray (Islam- A billion medieval savages can't be wrong!)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

Obama will come out stronger this time, but I don’t think Romney will drop the ball either. I thinking it’ll be a tie.


38 posted on 10/15/2012 8:00:34 PM PDT by virgil
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To: tatown
Romney can't play it safe neither, he needs to attack him at every turn. ESPECIALLY the moment Obumbler calls him a lair. To be honest this debate as it stands is hard to tell who will be the victor. I hate this kind of town hall debates... Romney BETTER NOT play it safe....TOO MUCH at stake...the mediaWHORES are salivating at the thought of Obumbler attacking Romney every which way, by audience, moderator and by the bumbling fool! IF Romney stumbles just a bit the mediaWHORES are going to go after him with a vengeance! This could potentially be devastating to Romney...of course I'm just guessing here! I just wish Ryan would have destroyed Biden. Instead he gave them an open door. I know the majority here say Ryan won the debate, but biden emboldened the Demon Muslim and his cronies. They were on life support now they have a chance at a comeback! So let's unite in prayer and ask our Merciful Father in Heaven to give Romney the wisdom of Solomon and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Please join me tomorrow with a day of fasting and prayer before the debate. Romney is going to need all the prayer we can give him.
39 posted on 10/15/2012 8:03:29 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: SeekAndFind

What would a narcissist more likely do if the polls after the second debate portray him as losing? Which would cater most to his ego?

Go to the finish line, lose the election and look like a loser
or
Step down before the election using an outrageous excuse and look like a victim.

It’s pretty clear something critical is being planned by this administration.


40 posted on 10/15/2012 8:03:47 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: arrogantsob
They are going to have to talk to the audience and answer its questions not directly confront each other.

"President Obama, are you as wonderful as we think you are?"

"President Obama, is there any you are unable to do?"

"President Obama, we just think you are adorable 'eye candy.' Don't you agree?"

41 posted on 10/15/2012 8:04:22 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: arrogantsob
They are going to have to talk to the audience and answer its questions not directly confront each other.

"President Obama, are you as wonderful as we think you are?"

"President Obama, is there anything you are unable to do?"

"President Obama, we just think you are adorable 'eye candy.' Don't you agree?"

42 posted on 10/15/2012 8:04:28 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SeekAndFind
Bring me that imbecile Axelrod ... Axelrod! Axelrod! Axelrod!
43 posted on 10/15/2012 8:06:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Axelrod not about to get on that Amtrak.


44 posted on 10/15/2012 8:10:32 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s sort of like the sentiment, “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.”

He’ll go on about how he helps the poor, jobs are up, housing is up, our foreign relations are just great, the government is solvent. . .

and we all sit there listening and saying “Not really, no.”


45 posted on 10/15/2012 8:12:46 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind; FatherofFive
Romney needs to say one thing when Benghazi comes up: "Mr. President when are you going to take responsibility for even one thing during your administration? You have blamed President Bush for the economy, but added 6 trillion more in debt, Our credit rating has been down graded. You have not accepted any responsibility for Fast and Furious. When are you going to stand up and be a leader?"

Debate over, Game set match Romney

46 posted on 10/15/2012 8:13:40 PM PDT by verga (Forced to remove tag line by administrator)
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To: arrogantsob
This is a townhall for the “undecideds”...the polidiots.

There is a high potential for remarkably stupid pop culture questions. This would be a strength for Obama and Romney's Achilles heel. No matter it's utter irrelevance to presidential politics, it could make Mitt look “out of touch”. Spin fodder for Axelrod.

47 posted on 10/15/2012 8:15:13 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (Muppet season now open - no bag limit)
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To: arrogantsob

“I have never seen a man more able to keep his cool than Mitt.”

He is definitely a natural born CEO. You can see why he has been as successful as he is. He just handles himself really well.


48 posted on 10/15/2012 8:15:13 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind; MNJohnnie

BO will attempt a cool blend of authoritative, hip assertiveness. Without a teleprompter- channeling his community organizer days when he had to deflect some hostility in the crowd and steer them around to his profound, ethereal rap.

Romney, no doubt has had to face stockholder meetings with some similar antagonism.

My money is on Romney. He is mentally agile, unlike his scripted opponent.

Obama played a few notes in this kind of arena years ago, but his extemporaneous violin will be out of tune, I suspect- he’s been surrounded by adoration. That’s why he avoids confrontational press conferences, etc., but is at home on the View and other such pablum.

Romney is up for the challenge, not driven by a personal desire to maintain a wealthy lifestyle, not messianic in his self-view.

IMHO.


49 posted on 10/15/2012 8:15:21 PM PDT by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: SeekAndFind; a fool in paradise
Don't try to apply logic and sense to these spectacles. (The author seems to have a clue if you read to the end, though he doesn't express it as I will.) The debates are theater, cheap theater at that, like pro wrestling. They are not intended for intellectual heavyweights. Obumster is going to come on like Olivier in a Shakespeare play, you just watch and see, and Romney had better be prepared. It's gonna be Roddy Piper (bad guy Romney) against our boy Chavo Guerrero (the other guy.)


50 posted on 10/15/2012 8:16:09 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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