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Support Mark Neumann Bus Tour [Tea Party Express: WI and MO]
Tea Party Express ^ | August 5, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 08/05/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by Syncro

Support Mark Neumann Bus Tour

Posted on August 5, 2012

August 7th – August 9th, 2012

Day 1: Tuesday, August 7th
Day 2: Wednesday, August 8th
Day 3: Thursday, August 9th

 



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1 posted on 08/05/2012 7:21:03 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Jean S

More TPX action in WI and MO


2 posted on 08/05/2012 7:24:39 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro; afraidfortherepublic

Wisconsin ping!


3 posted on 08/05/2012 7:44:48 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Syncro

Mark Neumann is not a conservative. He is a RINO.


4 posted on 08/05/2012 7:46:15 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Kick Obama out of the White House in 2012.)
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To: Syncro

Pretty hard for me to support Neumann after what he did to Walker (and therefore, Wisconsin).


5 posted on 08/05/2012 7:46:15 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

Yep, there is a lot of that going on.

It looks like he pretty much went overboard running against Walker. Sad


6 posted on 08/05/2012 7:51:05 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro

Was it not clear from your earlier thread that Wisconsin FReepers - and most of the Wisconsin Tea Party movement - do not support Neumann?


7 posted on 08/05/2012 8:01:55 PM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: Syncro

You’re backing the wrong pony, Syncro. You did the same thing in Nebraska with Bruning.


8 posted on 08/05/2012 8:10:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: LouD
Was it not clear from your earlier thread that Wisconsin FReepers - and most of the Wisconsin Tea Party movement - do not support Neumann?

You are correct, sir! Neumann has pockets of support in Janesville and rural areas not served by local conservative talk radio.

ABN

Anybody
But
Neumann

9 posted on 08/05/2012 8:15:28 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

Fitzgerald.
Hovde.
Thompson.
Neumann.

In that order of preference.


10 posted on 08/05/2012 8:18:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

We’re close. Thompson is too dang old. We need someone who can serve more than one term.

Fitzgerald
Hovde
Neumann
Thompson


11 posted on 08/05/2012 8:22:51 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Many of the establishment types get hung up supporting the same old politicians they have known for years. Bill McCollum, Mark Neumann, Don Stenberg... same phenomenon happened with Newt Gingrich for president. The 80's/90's contingent was stuck in nostalgia.

Often the grassroots are ready to give someone new a shot and the establishment - conservatives who have been in high level politics for 5 or 10 or 30 years and think they're not establishment - is several steps behind.

It's clear to me that Eric Hovde is out best candidate in the primary and general. I won't say he's Ron Johnson II, since that's a tall order, but he's the kind of successful businessman & citizen legislator we could use more of.

12 posted on 08/05/2012 8:22:51 PM PDT by Skulllspitter
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Fitzgerald.
Hovde.
Thompson.
Neumann.

In that order of preference.

That's a principled selection for you.

If he was capable of winning the primary, I'd vote for Fitzgerald.

But unless the other 3 candidates are found naked in bed with a live boy or dead girl in the next 8 days, Fitz has no chance.

I'm voting for Hovde.

13 posted on 08/05/2012 8:27:48 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Jean S

The reason I listed Neumann dead last instead of Thompson is simple... Neumann is the one candidate who has the best chance of losing. Of 7 races he has run, he has only won 2, the last being in 1996, and that one was only with 51% (and 49% in his prior win). He was a very weak candidate in the ‘90s and hasn’t improved his standing. Thompson could at least win with a comfortable margin, but he is too old, as you said.


14 posted on 08/05/2012 8:50:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Somebody said that Gov. Walker may openly endorse Fitzgerald, which could change the dynamic. I’d wait to see until the final days of the race whether to go with him or Hovde (if Fitz moves up in the polls).


15 posted on 08/05/2012 8:52:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thanks for weighing in!

(Keeping it simple so you don’t get confused)


16 posted on 08/05/2012 9:47:58 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro

You’re being a schmuck again. I had to drag you practically kicking and screaming into realizing you were wrong in Nebraska. You should listen to others here about this race, otherwise you’re just trolling.


17 posted on 08/05/2012 9:50:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Would be interesting to see if Walker will support Fitz. I heard that Scott doesn’t like Neumann at all.

Everyone keeps saying that Fitz can’t win but if we all voted for him, he would. duh.


18 posted on 08/05/2012 10:07:40 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Somebody said that Gov. Walker may openly endorse Fitzgerald, which could change the dynamic. I’d wait to see until the final days of the race whether to go with him or Hovde (if Fitz moves up in the polls).

It would be an extremely stupid political move for Scott to make any endorsement before the primary. And he's not stupid.

The race is just too close. If he doesn't pick the winner, it's all bad. He'll look weak to the Democrats AND the general electorate. It could cost regaining control of the state Senate. He would look weak nationally and damage any chance at higher office. Walker will look like he can't find the pulse of the state and will make at least 3 political enemies (4 enemies if Baldwin wins the seat).

And for what? There's no benefit to Walker. If he picks correctly, there's NOTHING the primary winner would or could give Scott that wouldn't be given if Scott waited until after the primary to endorse.

Anyone who advises Walker to make a decision now needs to be beaten repeatedly with a big sharp stick and should be forever barred from ever paticipating in government advocacy again.

My guess is that Fitzgerald's people are floating the rumor. Walker is doing Fitz a favor by not shooting it down.

19 posted on 08/05/2012 10:46:24 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You are wrong again, but you like the petty namecalling don’t you? Your nasty attitude is carrying over from your frustation with the Nebraska race because everyone doesn’t think like you do.

But then you do think of yourself as an authortarian.

I had to give up on your whining that I was comparing Neumann Cruz, your desire to pitch attacks stronger than your reading comprehension.

Now trolling, LOL!

Your on a roll, Spiderman.

You are cold and you think everyone else should be also, literally.


20 posted on 08/05/2012 11:00:31 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Wisconsin T Party Xpress ping — Mark Neumann

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off this Wisconsin interest ping list.


21 posted on 08/06/2012 12:54:15 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

We pretty much agree up and down about the issues.

These days, I am actually working in Wisconsin, and have a better feel for the local vibe.

At first, I was willing to support Thompson as a minimally acceptable conservative who could beat Baldwin without too much sweat. Even stalwarts like talk radio hosts Belling and the exceptional Vicki McKenna seemed good with that.

I then discovered how much Thompson has really turned off the actual WI base, and I think they should have a say in this race.

WI will be close. If voter ID weren’t stalled, I ‘d give it to Romney. As it is, I don’t know. Unlike the recall, they can’t bus in people from other states as much because PA and MI needs to keep their own boots on their own ground.

I see Hovde as vulnerable in the general election because he’s spent the last 24 years in Washington DC. He is running a clean as the wind-driven snow outsider who gave money to (former Dem. gov) Doyle in 2005. He does have good presence in ads, and of course can self-finance. To his credit, his attack ads were responss to other attack ads.

Neumann’s attack ads against are largely misleading (taking quotations out of context). Neumann also played attack dog against Walker last tme around. Typical maneuver for someone trying to come from behind.

Fitz has not gotten out of the starting blocks. Too bad, ‘cause he’s a solid guy who is probably running for the wrong office.

Thompson is a pretty establishment guy with an affable manner who can handle the race. I also found out he donated to Bev Perdue (Bev Perdue?!), reminding me that he is VERY establishment.

I do believe that any of the four can win, with Thompson having the easiest time of i (despite recent polls to the contrary). If Baldwin wins, she could be there for 30 years. She’s no dummy, just evil.


22 posted on 08/06/2012 4:03:28 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Jean S; fieldmarshaldj

I concur, Jean. I would support Neumann over Thompson.


23 posted on 08/06/2012 8:44:50 AM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: Syncro

Project much ? I’ll put my record up against yours any day of the week, pal. I had two candidates I was supporting in Nebraska, both were Conservatives, and one of them prevailed. You were backing the RINO and misleading FReepers to support Bruning. Even after giving you article after article about Bruning, you scarcely acknowledged your “misjudgment.” You could’ve simply stated, “I’m sorry, I was wrong,” but your arrogance wouldn’t permit such.

I pointed out you were doing it again in the Wisconsin race and you seemed to flip out in righteous indignation. As I said, you’re acting like a schmuck and you’ll notice why nobody else who has any credibility on the subject of these political contests has come to your defense. Wisconsin FReepers have told you flat out that they’re not supporting Neumann. I’ve given you Neumann’s political history, and as with Bruning, you largely choose to ignore it and continue to pimp the candidacy of a bad candidate.

Simply put, what is your major malfunction, Private Pyle ?


24 posted on 08/06/2012 11:09:47 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Why is Neumann a poor choice, dj, I really don’t know but knew that he lost to Feingold in 1998?


25 posted on 08/06/2012 12:55:32 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Theodore R.

This basically sums it up:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2914379/posts?page=61#61

The incumbent freshman Democrat that Neumann barely beat in a rematch in ‘94, Peter Barca, has become more powerful in the years since, and is now the Assembly Democrat leader.


26 posted on 08/06/2012 1:12:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I’m listening to Mark Levin on ‘I <3 Radio’ and he just endorsed Neumann. I am surprised so many here dislike him so.


27 posted on 08/06/2012 7:53:22 PM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: HokieMom

Because he is a demonstrably subpar (and has-been) candidate. Levin didn’t do his homework on this guy.


28 posted on 08/06/2012 8:14:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
flip out in righteous indignation.

LOL, project much?

Sorry, it's hard to communicate with those with reading comprehension problems.

29 posted on 08/07/2012 8:55:45 AM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: LouD

No it wasn’t.


30 posted on 08/07/2012 9:32:22 AM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro

So you think you know better than the grass roots activists of Wisconsin who know all of these guys, who’ve spoken to them many times, who watched them closely in previous positions and know their records? Wow - Presumptuous much?


31 posted on 08/07/2012 10:38:52 AM PDT by LouD (I stand with Scott Walker)
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To: LouD

Forget it, Lou. Syncro is certifiable.


33 posted on 08/07/2012 12:24:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Syncro; LouD
Syncro,
We go back a long way. All the way back to the old FReeper Fantasy Baseball League (before Season 2 when liberal infiltrators sabotaged the league).

You should believe my warnings about jumping on the Neumann bandwagon. I've been a Wisconsin-based state & federal government affairs pro for nearly 20 years.

Neumann is neither a GOP insider nor Tea Party outsider.
Wisconsin legislators can't stand him (please note that Neumann's politician endorsements are ALL from out of state).
State GOP leadership can't stand him.
Wisconsin Tea Partiers actively involved in GOP politics can't stand him (The Wisconsin GOP & local Tea Party groups are the most intertwined in the country).

Who does that leave as voting-eligible Wisconsin Neumann supporters?

1) Tea party outsiders who are new to politics.
2) Casual GOP and independent voters who recognize his name and prefer him to Thompson.

That's not normally a winning coalition. For that reason, if Neumann somehow survives the primary with a 30% plurality, he will have just a tepid party unification for the general election. I fear he would be too weak to beat Baldwin - weaker than if any of the other 3 candidates prevail in the primary.

34 posted on 08/07/2012 1:07:18 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

You have me mixed up with someone else.

I never had anything to do with those fantasies.

It seems a lot of posters want to tell me what to do, and what I have done even if it isn’t true.


35 posted on 08/07/2012 4:37:17 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; LouD

You guys are horrible examples of “conservatives”

If someone doesn’t go along with your opinions, you attack them.

No problem, you are both dismissed.

BTW, I am mingling with hundreds of WI Conservativers/Tea Partiers that support Neumann.

Which you both seem to want to ignore.

So you throw fits and attacks.

You might want to assess your methods of “communication”


36 posted on 08/07/2012 4:47:26 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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In a hurry, so am going to post this and be back later.

Should get the malcontents going...

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Our work is not done in Wisconsin - we must elect conservative Mark Neumann to U.S. Senate

As we await the U.S. Senate election results in Michigan and Missouri, we wanted to draw your attention our next fight.
 
We are excited to announce our endorsement of conservative Mark Neumann for the U.S. Senate in Wisconsin.  Mark is running to replace retiring Democrat U.S. Senator Herb Kohl - we have a chance to pick a Senate seat and take control of the Senate!
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Mark earned the support of the Tea Party Express, and tea party members from every corner of Wisconsin, because he is the only one with a plan that cuts spending, balances the budget, and repeals ObamaCare. He understands that we must get back to Constitutional principles in Washington.  And, he is the one with the proven record of doing all this before.
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The Tea Party Express endorsed conservative Mark Neumann (right) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin late last week
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Electing Mark Neuman is critical to our plan to take back the Senate and take the gavel out of incompetent Harry Reid's hands.  Will you please join us in supporting conservative Mark Neumann?
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Neumann understands the free market, job creation, and fiscal responsibility. We cannot continue down the path we are currently on; Neumann’s experience and committed pro-growth solutions that enhance individual liberty and responsibility are exactly what we need in the next U.S. Senator from Wisconsin.
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Our Chairman Amy Kremer addresses the media as we endorse U.S. Senate candidate Mark Neumann in Madison, Wisconsin
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Wisconsin’s yearlong recall battle, which ultimately ended in a massive tea party victory galvanized the movement and created a powerful network that will be decisive in November. Neumann understands the grassroots and is ready to mobilize the vast network that is in place to insure a commanding November victory. We are going to do everything we can to help him secure the nomination and go on to win in November. 
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In 2010, we took a stand with conservatives across the country and WON! Three months ago in Indiana, we took a stand in Richard Mourdock and WON! Two months ago in Wisconsin, we took a stand with Governor Walker and WON! Last week in Texas, we took a stand in Ted Cruz and WON! Now, with the wind at our back, it’s time to take a stand in Wisconsin again!
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In 2012, we have an opportunity to take the U.S. Senate and remove the gavel from the hands of Harry Reid! In Wisconsin, we have the opportunity to send a TRUE fiscal conservative to the U.S. Senate – one that will fight for the people and will not be bullied by the D.C. insiders and party elders. Let’s take this opportunity by electing Mark Neumann to the U.S. Senate!
 
 


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37 posted on 08/07/2012 4:52:21 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro; LouD; fieldmarshaldj
Syncro wrote:

You might want to assess your methods of “communication”

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Syncro,
Do you think carpet bombing messages from out-of-state carpet bagger organizations is an acceptable form of "communication"?

LouD, fieldmarshal & I have attempted to engage you in an actual discussion of Neumann's bona fides as a conservative and the views of Wisconsin FReepers & actual Wisconsin resident Tea Partiers.

Your response to date has been a series of inane accusations of "projection" and sidestepping of any substantive debate on Neumann's merits and faults.

You have not provided one iota of direct information as to why YOU support Neumann, much less why others should.

Please enlighten us as to why YOU think Neumann would be the best choice to be the GOP Senate nominee. I'll settle for why YOU think he is even a good choice.

39 posted on 08/08/2012 10:05:56 AM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Syncro
Terrific event for Mark Neumann in Madison, WI this evening. The NO RINO’s thing is popular. We've been sold out long enough.
40 posted on 08/08/2012 7:53:12 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca (Keep the main thing, the main thing - defeat Obama)
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To: Sideshow Bob

I don’t have time to discuss issues with those that twist what I say into what they want to believe in order to attack my statements.

Or in the case of this Senate race those that INSIST that NO tea partiers in WI support Neumann.

No need to try to convince people that won’t budge from their pre convieved beliefs.

I have spoken to dozens of tea partiers and other conservatives in the last couple of days that support Neumann.

And have also seen hundreds of people come out to suppoert Neumann at several rallies recently.

IMO any local tea party group that overall supports one candidate or another I question as some in their group may support a different candidate, yet the “leader” of the tea party group comes out for a candidate, as if all the members are behind that particular “leader”

That’s the way unions work with their support, not paying attention to what the members really want.

One 9/12-Tea Party type person has vetted candidates quite well (and decided on Neumann) has spoken to many that did not support Neumann, and when given the facts changed to support for him.

I mostly am posting information, sorry if my method of participating doesn’t meet with the approval of yourself as well as those of your cohorts mentioned above.

Instead of spending time attacking me, why don’t the bunch of you get out on the ground and support your choices? Or at least post links here to threads you guys have started in order to support your candidates.

I didn’t respond to your first losded question, seems to be designed to take the discussion off subject.

Not biting or buying into your sideshow, Bob.


41 posted on 08/09/2012 7:01:03 AM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: LouD
So you think you know better than the grass roots activists of Wisconsin who know all of these guys, who’ve spoken to them many times, who watched them closely in previous positions and know their records? Wow - Presumptuous much?
What irony.

Those are the people I have been talking to for several days.

Where you get your information is beyond me.

You should get out and talk to some of these folks. They like Neumann.

42 posted on 08/09/2012 7:08:58 AM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro; Jim Robinson; LouD; fieldmarshaldj
Where you get your information is beyond me.

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Syncro,
Where do we get our information????!!!

We have repeatedly pointed out that:
1) the TEA Party Express DOES NOT speak for TEA Party groups in Wisconsin,
2) the national TEA Party Express group has made NO contacts to confer with local Wisconsin Tea Party Groups to determine whom Wisconsin conservatives would prefer to support,
3) no Wisconsin TEA Party groups support Neumann,
4) no Wisconsin TEA Party group leaders have endorsed Neumann individually.
This FACT has been buttressed by official press releases from MULTIPLE local Wisconsin TEA Party groups. These press releases detailing the above four points have been read verbatim and reported repeatedly over the last few days on both Charlie Sykes' morning conservative talk radio show on AM620 WTMJ and Mark Belling's afternoon conservative talk radio show on AM1130 WISN.

I have taken time along (with LouD, fieldmarshaldj and others) to provide candidate analysis and share facts & opinion as to why a presumed majority of Wisconsin FReepers and/or local Wisconsin TEA Partiers prefer candidates other than Neumann. Often, this has come in response to YOUR carpet bombing posts of TEA Party Express press releases and TPX fundraising pimps.

YOU, Syncro, are from California. Can you understand why a Wisconsin FReeper might be resentful of a California FReeper "telling Wisconsin how we should vote"?

YOU, Syncro, have been asked numerous times - politely at first - to explain why YOU and/or the TEA Party Express have chosen to support Neumann in a multi-candidate primary featuring 4 extremely well-qualified candidates who share mostly conservative backgrounds.

NO ONE IS ATTACKING YOU! Several Wisconsin FReepers have merely asked you to be respectful of local FReeper opinion - which largely does NOT support Neumann.

NO ONE HAS TOLD YOU TO STOP POSTING TEA PARTY EXPRESS MATERIAL -- at least not yet. Several Wisconsin FReepers have merely asked you to DISCUSS & EXPLAIN your reasoning for pushing Neumann - a 4-time electoral loser - as the GOP standard bearer. Last time I checked, FreeRepublic was a conservative political news and discussion site. So, let's discuss!

Instead, YOU refuse to discuss anything and engage in projections of personal attacks and "straw man" arguments. You claim to not to have time to engage in discussion, but you sure seem to have enough time to proactively & repeatedly post TEA Party Express press releases & fundraising pimps.

Look, I don't care if you are a friend/acquaintance of Jim Robinson. I don't care if you are a FR admin moderator (as alleged in a private FReepmail I received). I don't care if you are abusing those FR admin moderator powers to speciously remove posts by others (as alleged in a private FReepmail I received).

The only thing you have been asked is to share why YOU, Syncro - Mr. California FReeper and presumed national TEA Party Express flack - are pushing for Mark Neumann.

If the answer is that you are a paid/volunteer national TEA Party Express flack, please say so. If not, please explain why you think you know more about the 2012 Wisconsin US Senate primary candidates (and specifically Mark Neumann) than local Wisconsin government affairs professionals and local conservative activists who have personally known Mark Neumann since 1992.

Again, the last time I checked, FreeRepublic was a conservative political news and discussion site. Why are you so afraid to discuss your political opinion?

43 posted on 08/09/2012 10:42:22 AM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: All

I supported Neuman for Govenor and feel that I got to know him pretty well during the campaign, and even arranged for him to come speak at my employer. I’m very happy with the way the election turned out as Walker has done more for Wisconsin than I feel Neuman would/could have done in the same period of time.

While Neuman is a nice guy, family man, business man, etc., he’s lost four elections and isn’t going to win the Senate seat.

I recently attended a Thompson session at my employer, and came away entertained, but convinced that he was NOT the right guy to be our Senator. He does have liberal views and said some things that raised an eyebrow or three in the room. Then there was the “old person” gaffs. He was wearing a microphone and constantly had issues with it. Frankly, I was a bit surprised at how he came across...
- disorganized
- Adult Attention Deficit Disorder - “oh look, shinny object!”
- clumbsy
- all around nice guy! Someone you’d definitely like to have a beer with.

Folks loved him. He was practically a stand up comedian. But nice guy aside, he said somethings related to taxation and healthcare that concerned some folks, including me.

I haven’t heard Hovde in person, but I like what I’ve learned of him through research. He’s bright, young, good looking (according to my wife), and presents himself well. He’s interested in undoing everything obama.

Any of these guys would be better than Herb Kohl was, and certainly would be better than Tammy Baldwin. But sadly, Neuman is not going to make it, and while Thompson is popular and an all-around nice Wisconsin guy who rides a Harley, I think Hovde is the most electable guy that would be a long-term solution for our State and Country.


44 posted on 08/09/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by RacerXSpeedRacer (Conservative principals and values - pray for our future.)
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To: RacerXSpeedRacer
Thanks for your post. I think your first-hand impressions of Neumann & Thompson are both accurate and commonly experienced.

In an ideal world, I think Fitzgerald might be the best conservative choice of the 4 candidates. Unfortunately, Fitzy lacks both personal wealth and a broad enough base of support (money & voters) to win a statewide primary, much less a general election.

As such, I will be voting for Hovde. He's not a professional politician like the others, he's more conservative than Tommy or Neumann and can raise enough money (from himself, if necessary) to win a statewide race against Baldwin, Soros & the Unionistas.

45 posted on 08/09/2012 11:51:40 AM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

Again, more false attributions and downright lies about what I have posted and what is going on in WI

I am on the ground here letting you know how many tea party conservatives and others not tea party people that support Mark Neumann and you still deny those facts.

So now you lie about me and attack me, and ping Jim Robinson?

How weak.

Are you trying to get posts removed like one of your cohorts did? I read one of the posts before it was removed, and it was un unwarrented lying attack on me.

Oh and no, I didn’t report it.

I’d rather the vicious misleading posts by you and the others that hate Neumann...and apparantly me too...stay up so readers can see how out of line those that don’t support Neuman ar

No wonder Neumann has positive supporters and not name callers and posters of lies like we can see on this thread.

I’ll answer your misleading long post later when I have time, right now I’m going back out to watch Neumann speak
because the enthusiastic applause is too distracting to continue posting.

How about you reporting what you are doing on the ground here, or do you not go outside much?


46 posted on 08/09/2012 1:52:08 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead- [MSM].....LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY!)
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To: Syncro; Sideshow Bob; Admin Moderator

Syncro, all you do is make unwarranted attacks, accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of and act indignant when you’re called out and corrected on the facts. I’d also like to know why my posts were removed in this thread for daring to defend myself against YOU and your derangement. How come YOUR posts aren’t removed for personal attacks and falsehoods alleged against others ? Very curious.


47 posted on 08/09/2012 2:15:42 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Syncro
Again, more false attributions and downright lies about what I have posted and what is going on in WI.

OK, I'll bite. What did I lie about? What attribution has been false? You haven't posted any TEA Party press releases/fundraising pimps? I count several.

I am on the ground here letting you know how many tea party conservatives and others not tea party people that support Mark Neumann and you still deny those facts.

I haven't denied anything. Absolutely, there are individual Wisconsin conservatives who support Neumann. I think those individuals (a minority among both the GOP electorate and Wisconsin-based TEA party supporters) are being misled by the national TEA Party Express and are making a poor electoral choice. I have merely stated ad infinitum the fact that no Wisconsin-based TEA Party groups or Wisconsin-based TEA Party group leaders (acting as individuals) have endorsed Neumann - just the national group.

So now you lie about me and attack me, and ping Jim Robinson? How weak.

Again, no one has attacked you. Yep, I pinged Jim Robinson - just to make sure that there was some level of fairness to this thread. While I haven't seen any of the posts in this thread that were removed by the Admin Moderators, I have received private FReepmail that alleged the removal wasn't justified and speculated that you or a friendly FReeper acting as an Admin Moderator removed them or had them removed.

Are you trying to get posts removed like one of your cohorts did? I read one of the posts before it was removed, and it was un unwarrented lying attack on me.

Are you threatening me now?

I’d rather the vicious misleading posts by you and the others that hate Neumann...and apparantly me too...stay up so readers can see how out of line those that don’t support Neuman ar (sic)

Please tell me specifically what I have posted that has been misleading? And no, I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you - you seem unable to make any logical statements and express any conventional argument on behalf of Neumann's candidacy.

No wonder Neumann has positive supporters and not name callers and posters of lies like we can see on this thread.

Gee. You're the positive supporter? You now just called me a liar. I'll ask again - what have I lied about on this thread?

I’ll answer your misleading long post later when I have time, right now I’m going back out to watch Neumann speak because the enthusiastic applause is too distracting to continue posting.

Ah, nice. Guess what, pal? As a Californian, you can't vote for your new Wisconsin hero. I'll be voting for someone else. Thanks for visiting and spending money in our fine state, though.

How about you reporting what you are doing on the ground here, or do you not go outside much?

Ah, yet another insult. Sweet. I've got a suggestion for you, too - why don't you go back to California and do whatever it is you think you do "on the ground" there and leave Wisconsin politics to Wisconsin voters? If you ask me, California needs a lot more help than Wisconsin to elect GOP members to Congress.

You are perfectly welcome to return to Wisconsin to help campaign for Romney and other NATIONAL race.

When can I expect your thoughtful post explaining why you think Neumann is a better choice than the other 3 candidates AND why YOU and the out-of-state national TEA Party Express know Wisconsin politics better than Wisconsin FReepers?

Cordially,
Sideshow Bob

48 posted on 08/09/2012 2:39:26 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Syncro
Just for giggles, let's review my Neumann postings that Syncro could allege to be lies.

1. Mark Neumann was earnestly and repeatedly recruited by the state GOP to carry the party's banner (unopposed) and run for Senate in 2000, 2004, 2006 & 2010, but repeatedly said "No, I don't want to go to Washington DC."

No, wait...that's true.

2. Mark Neumann took stimulus money for green energy projects.

No, wait...that's true.

3. Mark Neumann was engaged in bogus "Green Construction" homebuilding (y'know, the type of construction where hypocritical guilty liberals buy jumbo-sized homes with expensive energy-conservation facets that will eventually recoup their costs after 20 years of projected conservation).

No, wait...that's true.

4. Mark Neumann was begged to NOT run for Governor in 2010 by the GOP leadership and nearly every conservative group in the state.

No, wait...that's true.

5. Local Milwaukee, Madison & Green Bay conservative talk radio hosts begged Neumann to drop his quixotic gubernatorial effort and switch to run a 2010 Senate campaign.

No, wait...that's true.

6. Mark Neumann ignored the January 2010 secured Walker endorsements by 98% of all Wisconsin state representatives and senators and engaged in a dishonorable smear tactic-filled GOP gubernatorial primary against Walker in 2010.

No, wait...that's true.

7. Mark Neumann - despite trailing 3-1 in polls and with the Wisconsin GOP readying itself to make an unprecedented convention endorsement (in a contested state race) for Walker - staged a phony skirmish at the convention and initially claimed that he had been roughed up and kicked out of the state party convention.

No, wait...that's true.

8. Mark Neumann publicly threatened to quit his 2010 gubernatorial primary race (Wisconsin law prohibits primary losers from running as an independent candidate in the general election) to run an independent centrist campaign to the LEFT of Scott Walker.

No, wait...that's true, too.

9. Mark Neumann sided with liberals on the issue of Citizens United and constitutioanlly protected free speech.

No, wait...that's true.

10. Mark Neumann is a 4-time elctoral loser in Wisconsin politics.

No, wait...that's true, too. (US Congress in 1992 & 1993, US Senate in 1998 and Wisconsin Gubernatorial Primary in 2010)

I guess I really should stop lying about Mark Neumann.

49 posted on 08/09/2012 3:06:36 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

50 posted on 08/09/2012 3:50:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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