Posted on 08/04/2012 6:17:26 AM PDT by scottjewell
Tea Party Nation’s Judson Phillips told members in an email today that their movement cannot avoid the issue of same-sex marriage...:
"Gay marriage is often identified as a social issue and many in the conservative and Tea Party movement say leave social issues alone.
While we can have that debate as to whether we should include social issues or not, this is an issue that is not purely a social issue.
The left has been making war on the family in America for over fifty years.
Why?
The traditional family, and the left hates that expression, is the most stable unit in America. The left wants to transform America from a liberty based, free market economy into a socialist economy, absent freedom.
What is on of the most effective tools socialists have to do this? Attacking the family. ...
Liberals operate under a delusion called socialist reality...
The left’s definition of equality is to allow anyone and anything to marry...
Traditionally marriage has worked well in America for centuries. It has always been one man and one woman. Those who want to change this bear the burden of showing why this would be good for the nation.
So far they have not.
Given the carnage that the liberals’ policies have created, the idea of redefining marriage into something unrecognizable and equally indefinable should be something that we conservatives must reject and defeat in the political arena and in the court of public opinion.
Liberty and freedom depend on a stable nation, stable government and stable families. Those who claim they support “equality” do not support liberty. They support anarchy.
Anarchy and freedom cannot co-exist.
In the end only one can prevail and history is riddle with the graves of those who learned what happened when freedom lost."
(Excerpt) Read more at rightwingwatch.org ...
avacado, I completely agree. While I understand some social issues are intertwined with fiscal issues, the Tea Party needs to unwind Big Government from the financial issues in. If the size and scope of the Federal Government is diminished, then their ability to support special social interest groups is diminished.
It is fine for the Republican Party to include the social issues.
Without getting into the social issues, the Tea Party can also count on a broader coalition whose united purpose is to reduce the size and scope of the Federal Government. It is irrelevant whether the Leftists lump us together or not. They are the mob and will eventually turn on each other.
“Remind me again why the government is even in the business of marriage — hetro or homo? Remind me again why married people have a lower tax rate than single people? Remind me again why married people can pass their Social Security on to each other and single people cannot pass it on to anyone else?”
It has to do with trying to preserve this country for future generations. Of course for people without kids, they would not understand that.
Marriage has existed within the context of religion, and outside of government, for thousands of years, and it should remain the case.
Values and virtue should never be within the scope of the government because it is so easily corrupted to suit the purposes of the sociopaths and tyrants who are attracted to government, such as our current regime.
Values and virtue come from family and community. We will fail otherwise.
What percentage of marriages are through a vegas drive through?
One is too many.
“Values and virtue come from family and community. We will fail otherwise.”
I don’t know...we did pretty good for several hundred years here with marriage being defined by government.
...but I guess if one has a problem with government defining what a marriage is, I can understand the reason for try to get government out of it.
“I can understand the reason for try to get government out of it.”
Right, government will give special interest groups what they want, even if it is to the detriment of society at large, in order to retain power.
Johnson’s “War on Poverty” was one of the largest social welfare programs to redistribute personal wealth under the rubric that the Democrat party cares about minorities. Democrats only care about power and has been the cause of ruin for many minority families and individuals.
“Right, government will give special interest groups what they want, even if it is to the detriment of society at large, in order to retain power.”
My point being that there was never any debate about government being involved in marriage, until this gay-thing popped up. As I’ve noted before, it is in the interest of the government to have people paired off in a way that produces more (hopefully tax-paying) citizens. Yes, in a perfect world, people may pair-off that way, but history has NOT shown that to be the case, not by a LONG-SHOT.
I understand your point, I guess what I am trying to say is that one can never rely on the government to do the right thing. The right things must come from the people, bottom up. The people’s values and social norms must be shaped by their own communities and families, including their religions.
What we are seeing is the result of the corruption of the people’s value system by leftists (teachers, media, and in some cases the clergy), which allows the leftists in Washington to make it policy.
This is why I have so much respect for Glenn Beck. He completely gets it, that it starts with us first, and our families, our communities, and then the representatives we send to Washington DC, or our own state governments.
Even Breitbart got it when he said politics is down stream from the culture. Our culture has been corrupted. The left wing is a pernicious influence on American society.
Not for discrediting marriage between a man and woman.
People have had and raised good kids and strong families for 1000s of years. You think a child credit or paying less taxes because you are married somehow is your motivation to preserve the family unit? LOL!!! Face it, those things are entitelements and have nothing to do with inalienable rights. Paying you to have babies is welfare at its worst.
Thank you for my laugh for the day.
Your post is spot on!
“People have had and raised good kids and strong families for 1000s of years. You think a child credit or paying less taxes because you are married somehow is your motivation to preserve the family unit? LOL!!! Face it, those things are entitelements and have nothing to do with inalienable rights. Paying you to have babies is welfare at its worst. “
If you don’t think that tax policy affects individual decisions, you’re simply on the WRONG website. And, no, I don’t laugh at your type, at all.
You don’t get it do you? It isn’t the government’s money. I am helping pay your way for something that is your own personal choice in life. Your welcome.
“You don’t get it do you? It isn’t the government’s money. I am helping pay your way for something that is your own personal choice in life. Your welcome.”
Actually it goes both ways - if you don’t see a need to help this country live on for future generations, you sure as heck better help out those that do.
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