Skip to comments.Virginia’s Goode could be Romney’s undoing
Posted on 07/24/2012 6:28:39 PM PDT by xzins
While many on the right fear that Constitution Party presidential candidate Virgil Goode might just draw enough votes in his native Virginia to tip the Old Dominions 14 electoral votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama, the former six-term congressman made it clear he doesnt care.
Goode, in fact, feels that in many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney.
The 65-year-old Goode spoke to Human Events last week as he and his supporters were in the process of gathering the 10,000 signatures they need to submit before the Aug. 24 deadline to qualify for Virginias November ballot. Founded by Conservative Caucus chairman and venerable conservative leader Howard Phillips, the Constitution Party is so far on the ballot in 17 states. Right now, Goode told us, the party is making attempts to secure ballot positions in other key states such as Arkansas, Alabama, Iowa, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania the home state of the Constitution Partys vice presidential nominee Jim Clymer.
But what has clearly set off alarm bells among conservatives lately is the scenario of Goode making the ballot in Virginia where he won the 5th District U.S. House seat as a Democrat, Independent, and Republican from 1996 until his narrow defeat in 2008. Polls show the state, which Obama narrowly carried over John McCain in 2008, seesawing between the president and his Republican opponent in 2012. A just-completed Quinnipiac Poll showed Obama and Romney tied among likely Virginia voters, with each getting 44 percent down from Obamas 47 to 42 percent edge in the same poll in June.
Of particular concern to Republicans is Goodes strength in his home turf: the Danville-Charlottesville area that he represented in Congress and previously as state senator. Four years after he lost the closest House race, the former congressman remains popular in his former turf. In addition, his hard-line stance on immigration, strong emphasis on limited government and focus on following the U.S. Constitution seems more likely to woo Virginians who would otherwise vote for Romney than those inclined to Obama.
If Im on the ballot in Virginia, I could cost Obama a lot of votes possibly as much as or even more than Romney, Goode told us, repeating a line that many third party contenders have taken over the years. There are a lot of life-long Democrats (in the Fifth District) who say theyll hold their nose and vote for Obama. But as the fellow in the filling station up the road told me, Im a Democrat, but if youre on the ballot, Virgil, Im voting for you.
We recalled how much as it was widely interpreted that Obamas victory by a plurality over John McCain in North Carolina in 2008 was due to votes for Libertarian Bob Barr. We then pointed out to Goode that, regardless of his interpretation, pundits and political analysts would almost certainly interpret a narrow Obama win in Virginia to a strong Goode showing and asked how he would feel then.
In many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney, replied Goode, explaining that it would be tougher to get through Congress some bad things under Obama than it would under Romney.
Take one for the team? Not me brother!
Recalling how the president announced earlier this year his order not to pursue deportation of illegal aliens who complete high school or join the military, Goode noted that Romney wouldnt come out against the short-term amnesty. He was just going with the wind. If Obama were president, Republicans in Congress would oppose him on things like this on principle and almost unanimously. But if Romney were president, he would probably get it through (Congress).
Remember how (Republican presidential candidate Rick) Santorum explained his vote for the No Child Left Behind (federal education program under George W. Bush) by saying: Sometimes youve got take one for the team. Thats the argument Romney would use with Republicans to get them to pass things they normally wouldnt oppose.
As a Democrat in Congress in the 1990s, Goode pointed out that he voted a strong right-to-life line despite the fact that the Democratic leadership was in the other camp on the abortion issue. As a Republican from 2002-08, he said, I was urged to take one for the team and vote for CAFTA (a free trade agreement). I didnt think it was good for the country and I opposed it. Sometimes you have to show some backbone.
As a Democrat, Goode in the House scored unusually high ratings of 84 percent and 83 pe cent with the American Conservative Union; as an independent and later a Republican, his ratings went higher and his lifetime ACU average in 96 percent.
In carrying the banner of the Constitution Party, Virgil Goode is again not taking one for the team. Whether he qualifies for the Virginia ballot Aug. 24 and how well he does in his home state will surely be watched there, as well as by Republicans nationwide.
Pickett’s Charge: Onward, Freepers!!!
Step 1: Elect Romney in November, who is NOT a socialist/marxist/communist/revolutionary/sharia loving thug. Destroy oboma who IS a card-carrying socialist/marxist/communist/revolutionary/sharia law loving thug.
Step 3: Continue to be vigilant of Romney after the election and speak up and out when you disagree with his policies. Remember, Romney is not the choice of many, BUT he has the electoral votes and he IS the candidate choice against oboma.
Step 4: Once Romney is elected, we conservatives must come together and choose a conservative to elect in the 2016 elections. IF oboma is elected, we will NOT have another opportunity to vote for a candidate..dictator oboma will see to it that we lose the right to vote, like all good commie dictators do to their subjects in other commie countries. Count on it.
If you can't understand the strategy of how ultimately we conservatives and this country can win, your righteousness is blinding your vision. You may as well wave a white flag, and bow down on bended knee to dictator oboma. Put your standards aside for now, and think in terms of SURVIVAL by removing oboma first, and voting in Romney. THEN, we can select a conservative candidate who will win the 2016 elections. It is a step by step process. Like I said, if you fail to see the strategy, you will lose, and We the People will lose our Constitution, our freedom and our liberty.
Dump the Socialist Willard and there will be no problem.
Anyone here know of any of Hillary Romney’s actions that have been reversed in Massachusetts?
Anyone have any evidence that Hillary Romney is now acknowledging his regrets for signing Extortion-Care in Massachusetts?
i don’t normally follow these threads, having long ago decided that i couldn’t vote for romney on moral grounds, but you’ve hit on a rational, constructive strategy for starting a conservative party that can grow in future elections. i believe that this must be done for the future of the country, since both the r and d parties are ultimately toxic to the republic as currently constituted.
a plausible way to start a major conservative party is to unite patriots around an un-inpeachable conservative candidate in the blue states (like ca) where it can have no effect on the outcome of this election, while serving to build a conservative party from the ground up and put a real fear of conservatives into the r-elite for the first time.
the problem is finding a conservative nucleus organization or candidate that can effectively campaign across the blue states. if freepers or other conservatives want to do this or are already doing this, sign me up.
"But it is the verdict of both history and Biblical theology that Joseph Smith's religion is a polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garment of Christian terminology. This fact, if nothing else, brands it as a non-Christian cult system."
There are numerous religions who fall short of God's purpose for mankind. Dr. Martin describes the many cults that reveal the deceitful ways of man's pride of life--Mormonism is not the only one. Such says man is an incarnation of deity, just as Christ was, and denies evil. Such leads to moral relativism and denies moral absolutes. This is why we need to spread the good word of salvation for your fellow man as well as this nation.
The cult of Mormonism appeals to the cult of self deified man--Adam's sin. This is a very seductive thinking, as we know from Adam. The evil fruits of the sinful cult of self have been manifest in human tragedy since Adam fell from grace. Mormonism, like all other inadequate doors to God, fails to deal with one problem: the sinful self. It is for us to turn men away from the seduction of the cult of self to a God-filled door to salvation. Indeed there is the Medicine Wheel of eternal life. We must see the Rock of Christianity as the perfect rock, the perfect door because it redeems man of his sinful nature. Man's first and primary need is the need of God-given repentance towards God and sin. This need has been expressed since Adam. This is why I say God has made man to seek His glory. We are made for God's glory. And God will work in the hearts of those under the yoke of the kingdom of the cults to answer to call of Christ.
It would be a wonderful day indeed if Mitt Romney and his fellow LDSers would renounce Mormonism and follow Christ!
Yep. In the same boat here in the People’s Socialist Republic of Tax-inois.
If the pubbies had wanted to win, they should have run a candidate conservatives could support.
Virgil Goode is a trivial pretender. His reason for running is to pat himself on the back and stroke his own vanity. He has delusions of relevance
Both Hatch and Cantor (gag!) have already indicated this week that they are planning on "reaching across the aisle" after the election and compromising even more liberty away.
If that is true, then how is he any different from Romney?
Is it because Romney is a GREAT PRETENDER?
Virgil Goode has a conservative record. Romney has the most liberal record of any Governor outside of maybe Jerry Brown. And Romney is now pretending to be an "extreme" Conservative. LOL!
His record is irrelevant. He has virtually no following no name recognition and no money. He was not primaried.
He is a pretend candidate. Those who vote for him will be pretend voters
And Romney is a Pretend Republican. Those who vote FOR him will be pretend Republicans.
He was not primaried.
Romney stole the election by consistently getting 30% of the vote in open primaries that democrats and independents were invited by the GOP-E to participate in and then lying about the records of all the actual republicans and conservatives in the race.
You want to reward him with your support?
Were you a Romneybot before he stole the nomination? Or were you an "Anybody but Romney" Conservative like most Freepers?
When you can’t win the argument, introduce a straw man.
I’m a Cain supporter
And where do you think the trash rumor mongering that killed Cain's campaign came from?
It has Romney's fingerprints all over it.
Yet here you are on Free Republic carrying Romney's water.
Yes, prove what a conservative you are by voting for the guy who was a Democrat representative during Clinton’s second term.
mitt knows all about losing campaigns as he's done it so often.
We will be on the ballot in a number of states, and qualified as write in candidates in most others.
Four years ago, with only grassroots efforts, we were able to make it possible for voters representing 70% of the electors to vote for our ticket.
We will almost certainly do quite a bit better than that this time around.
I apologize for the lack of specifics, but, knowing that our opponents will do nothing but mock and criticize no matter what we do, we have chosen to keep our ballot strategy pretty close to the vest until Labor Day or thereabouts.
If Obama gets another term this country is FINISHED. Some of you appear ready to give up on the country-not me. King Obama has figured out that he can simply create his own laws and there’s nothing anyone will do to stop him. If these issues get to the court, it will take years and years to even get any answer if someone actually brings up a lawsuit.
Imagine the Supreme Court justices this guy will pick next. Gutting our defense. Amnesty for all illegals. Triple dip depression. Seizure of private property, guns and bank accounts. The continued implementation of Obamacare etc etc etc.
This mindset that somehow Romney and Obama are one and the same appears to stem from some sort of hysterical delusion. Romney is far from a perfect candidate but those of you that cast a defacto vote for the Marxist in Chief-I hope you get what you deserve. We can recover from Mitt Romney. Will never recover from this marxist’s 2nd term on the throne.
That's not going to happen, no matter how much we might want it here.
“Step 1: Elect Romney in November, who is NOT a socialist/marxist/communist/revolutionary/sharia loving thug. “
Wasn’t he the architect and implementer of socialized medicine in Mass? Didn’t he sign one of the most restrictive assault weapons bans? Seems like a proven gun grabbing socialist to me.
Like I said before, Romney and Romney apologists like yourself will do more long term damage to this country by weakening the conservative brand and moving the GOP to the left. I’m convinced this is more dangerous (long term) than 4 more years of Zero with a GOP congress.
If you are ok with that....by all means Romney is your guy.
“Step 3: Continue to be vigilant of Romney after the election and speak up and out when you disagree with his policies.”
First show me that you can get the losers like Boehner and McConnell in line. You can’t even control the direction of the currently elected losership....what possibly could make you think you will be more successful with a candidate/President that has shown time and time again that he has no use for conservatives?
Go ahead and be the patsy....you are enabling the destruction of the conservative movement and supporting someone with policies to left of even Clinton. I won’t do it.
Wonder why the GOP has no conception of the danger we are in? I'd say their actions were deliberate!
When I see this about VA, who can forget how Mitt did his dirty work to keep Newt off the ballot. Wonder if those conservative voters are now planning to vote for Good.
I am as conservative as they come fiscally and socially and I live in VA. I will be voting for Romney. Why, because this country will not survive another four years of Obama. Romney was not my first choice for the R nomination by a long shot, but we need to play the hand we've been dealt.
The GOP never really wanted to win. Thankfully, NEWT, carried America and the Romney's/liberals of the world hated him for it.
TODAY'S INTRODUCTORY COURSE IN LOGIC.
THE ONLY WAY to increase the volume of Glass "A" is by pouring something INTO Glass "A."
Pouring something into Glass "B" does not, and can NEVER, increase the volume of Glass "A." Not even if you do it all day long, for hours and hours and hours.
Pouring something into Glass "C" does not, and can NEVER, increase the volume of Glass "A." Not even if you do it all day long, for hours and hours and hours.
The need for a 2nd party in this country has never been more evident, metal.
Explain to me, if you can, why Romney just 3 months ago came out in favor of gay couples, and why he said that at state level gay couples should be allowed to adopt children.
Explain to me, if you can, why Romney has not denounced the Pentagon approving military uniforms at a gay pride parade WHEN he had the perfect forum, the VFW speech, and the perfect audience before which to do so.
I am a conservative, metal, and that means fully conservative, BOTH SOCIAL and fiscal conservatism.
As a conservative, and as a Christian, I cannot support Mitt Romney. His only credential, even for the ABOs on Free Republic, is that he is not Barack Obama.
OMG, coffee all over the keyboard..........:-)
BUMP to your post.
If he was a 'rat why not run as one - isn't that the HONEST thing to do? Ever hear of a progressive liberal running as a conservative republican?
Kevin, perhaps we’ve conversed before. Your handle seems familiar to me. Those were probably more united times for conservatives.
As it stands, your post was respectful and rational. I will not besmirch the logic of those who believe Romney is their only alternative. I know too well, from 2008’s McCain nomination, exactly the reasoning behind your comments.
For me, I’m not doing it this time because Romney has knowingly and publicly left the social conservative reservation. It is well known that Romney came out just short months ago in favor of gay couples and gay adoption.
Colofornian in one of his posts above ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2910346/posts?page=87#87 ) has detailed Romney’s flips and flops on abortion. As late as the very end of 2007, he was still saying his position is effectively pro-choice.
He is not reliably pro-life. He is not reliable to appoint conservative justices. He will not renounce romneycare. He did not denounce military uniforms in gay pride parades.
It just goes on and on.
It’s impossible for me to support him. It would like supporting a copperhead bite over a rattlesnake bit.
I don’t want either bite.
It just goes on and on.
Your and p-marlowe’s idea is an excellent one. If we can get conservatives in blue states to vote for an alternative party, the Constitution Party is the best alternative at the moment, imho, then the numbers compiled will earn legitimacy in the American mindset.
I do believe, however, that one cannot build any party without first building from the congressional district on up. That is actually the way the republican party was started. Their strength was in congressional presence, and that made their presidential bid viable.
FWIW, I would rather have Virgil Goode be a CP victor in his old congressional district than be a “statement candidate” in the presidential election. I have no doubt that he’d be a formidable force in his old congressional district.
Additionally, a number of CP candidates in every congressional district will result in a far larger visibility than will a low budget presidential campaign in which the media and the system have constructed such enormous hurdles that must be overcome just to get one’s name on a ballot or one’s face into the news.
The bottom line of this post, though, is that the idea of voting for Goode in a state that will go blue anyway — such as California — is right on the money. It enables those conservatives to reject a radical liberal rino and maintain their conservative principles.
As with any party, as it grows there will be intra-party discussions over the best platforms, policies, etc. Surprisingly, though, the CP positions are very good and very supportable for the most part....which is more than one can say for the rino-infested party.
Okay, the demwits now have their Ross Perot, so where do we get our Ralph Nader?
Please allow a friendly amendment. Unfortunately, Romney is an actual Republican. He's a pretend conservative. The difference between the two becomes clearer every day.
And Goode is still trying to get on the ballot in Virginia.
Hi TOL, hope you’re having a great day!
We are the opposition, the rebellion against the establishment.
Come join us!
Mitt’s lost two running as a Republican.
Virgil has been a democrat, independent, republican and latest latest party incarnation. I think he has a good shot at losing three in three different parties, or maybe four in four. As far as I know that would make him the modern record holder...
Goode has enough signatures now. Since the deadline is Aug 24, a month from now, they are piling on extra signatures in case there are any challenges.
They are going full speed ahead getting on all ballots they can, AND they are becoming certified “write-in” candidates in states as well. So, they’ll be on or eligible on upwards of 40 ballots nationwide.
Obviously, the solid blue states aren’t going for either Romney or Goode, so it makes sense in a solid blue state for a conservative, especially in those states, to vote for Goode to send a message to the GOP-E.
As you know, Goode is a long-time congressman from Virginia and a lawyer licensed and admitted to the Virginia Bar. Unlike Perry, Santorum, and Gingrich, he is aware of the requirements to gain entry to the ballot.
Understand, when we vote for Romney, we are doing so TO BUY TIME until we conservatives can all come together and agree on a conservative candidate, who can win the 2016 elections.
If oboma wins in November, we will never again get the opportunity to vote for who will be president in this country...dictator commie oboma will see to it that his subjects never exercise their right to vote. If we vote for Romney now, we wil be BUYING TIME until we can then exercise our right to vote for a president, and we can then select and vote for a conservative candidate who can win the election in 2012.
Think ahead to the long term goal..our coming together and selecting and voting for a conservative candidate who can win in the 2016 elections.
Think in the present on what must first be done to achieve that goal: vote for Romney, and remove oboma who is death to We the People and our Constitution, freedom and liberty.
This will BUY US TIME, I repeat, THIS WILL BUY US TIME to achieve our goalsl.
It has Romney's fingerprints all over it.
Yet here you are on Free Republic carrying Romney's water.
Not only on FR, either. Joining in with the other dual posters at TBL.
Righteous, delusional thinking is like a virus...some get it and some don't. It will be up to We the People, the boots on the ground, to fight this fight and win it...and we will do it without the righteous delusionals, the ones waving the white flag, the ones who just can't/won't get it because of delusional thinking. There will be groups of people who will be collateral damage in this war we are fighting...the core voting base of oboma’s give-me, give-me folks who will trade their vote for freebies. And the delusional group of Democrat/Republican/Conservative/Libertarian/etc.voters who can't/won't act with reason and common sense to achieve a goal that will save this country and the lives of us all.
So be it. Let's roll.
I do understand your position. Obama is just so bad that I can't stand the thought of another four years. I don't think the country can take it. To use your example, if give the choice between a copperhead bite and a rattlesnake bite where not being bitten at all is not an option, I would take the copperhead bite every time. Copperheads are far less poisonous than rattlers and there is a much better chance of survival. Unfortunately, not getting bitten by either is not an option this election cycle.
If mitt already has the electoral votes, then he won't miss it if every single freeper votes for goode...
Ahh....so you outed me.
I have been there and found many friends who are unavai able elsewhere.
If you go there, are you not also a sinner?
Perfect description of Mitt Romneycare, the poster boy for homosexuality, abortion, and socialized medecine.
Everything Obama is known for, Romney was already known for before Obama entered the scene.