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An unoriginal Obama quote, taken out of context (Washington Post Factchecker)
Washington Post ^ | 7-23-2012 | Glenn Kessler

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:52:10 AM PDT by raulgomez05

The biggest problem with Romney’s ad is that it leaves out just enough chunks of Obama’s words — such as a reference to “roads and bridges”— so that it sounds like Obama is attacking individual initiative. The ad deceivingly cuts away from Obama speaking in order to make it seem as if the sentences follow one another, when in fact eight sentences are snipped away.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
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1 posted on 07/23/2012 8:52:19 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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To: raulgomez05

When did WaPo start dealing with the facts? Is this a new policy or something over there?


2 posted on 07/23/2012 8:55:07 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: raulgomez05

Romney included the most damaging part, which is the purely snide disrespect for business owners...the ‘they think they are smart’, they think they ‘work hard’. That is the damning part. It shows his contempt, and shows his street agitator core.


3 posted on 07/23/2012 8:55:47 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: raulgomez05
The only problem with Kessler's argument is English grammar. The obvious antecedent of the singular "that" is a singular word in the same sentence, not some plural nouns in the previous sentence.

Obama's bodyguards in the press never rest. It is useful though to remind people that he was plagiarizing from a speech by Fauxcahontas Warren...it isn't even original claptrap but borrowed.

4 posted on 07/23/2012 8:58:40 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: raulgomez05

I’ve now read several of these “context” arguments about what Obama “really” said, and I still come away with the obvious conclusion that the Romney ad is 100% correct. Quoting Elizabeth Warren and/or FDR doesn’t really bolster their position. The fact that the Post goes to FDR for support shows just how disconnected they really are.


5 posted on 07/23/2012 9:01:17 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: raulgomez05

Taken in full context, Obama’s statement is more reflective of his Marxist/Leninist ideology.

Obama goes back to that well, several times, to make his point that what’s yours is mine.

He completely undermines the concept of anyone having EARNED their success.


6 posted on 07/23/2012 9:01:20 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
They don't even fact check their own newspaper.
7 posted on 07/23/2012 9:03:40 AM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: raulgomez05

Obama’s mocking of “smart people” and “people who work hard” in the complete statement is worse than the edited version in the ad. But that was the best cover-up of The First Dictator that his mouthpiece, the Washinton Compost, could come up with.


8 posted on 07/23/2012 9:04:08 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: raulgomez05
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Washington [COM]Post Glenn Kessler

9 posted on 07/23/2012 9:04:24 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: raulgomez05

It’s the redistributionist tone of Obama’s remarks that many are picking up on. Taking from the productive and giving to the politically connected in order to remain in power is anti-American.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 9:05:18 AM PDT by Darteaus94025
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To: raulgomez05

The stupidity of this “explanation” of Obama’s words is that he is STILL FACTUALLY INCORRECT!

Let’s go with the WORM (what obama really meant) argument that he was referring to the roads and bridges. The MSM is saying that Obama meant that the businesses didn’t build the roads and bridges - WRONG!

Both personal and business taxes were paid by those business owners, so YES - THEY DID BUILD THAT - TOO! And typically, the businesses were there and growing, which caused a need for bigger, better roads and bridges - which are also paid for by more taxes from THE BUSINESS OWNERS!

So, they took all the risk, they worked all the hours, they paid their taxes (personal and business) and now they succeed, Obama and liberals think they should pay MORE! Liberals are AGAINST private success! SCREW THEM!


11 posted on 07/23/2012 9:05:25 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I've been thinking about this for months.

Øbama the populist has become a folksy/ebonicsy illiterate in his speeches.

This eletist, occidental, columbia, harvard educated member of the itelligencia surely should speak proper English.

But noooo, he wants to be one of the folks, not like Romney who is out of touch.

Soon the Folks will think they are smarter than he... I know I am.

12 posted on 07/23/2012 9:05:42 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: G Larry

The main point is still valid regardless of the post’s grammatical checking. I’m just astounded that more people aren’t in a rage over this jerks comments. And the crowd that was there liked the message. They are the ones that will NOT be swayed no matter what you show or tell them. Get in the boxcar, we’re going sight seeing. Duh, okay.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years


13 posted on 07/23/2012 9:07:18 AM PDT by rktman
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To: raulgomez05

OK, forget all that for a moment. Take the original comment.

Is that the best way to inspire people? By telling them what they DIDN’T do? What they CAN’T do?

Tell them what they CAN do, and they might just do it.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 9:08:20 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Obama's bodyguards in the press never rest.

To paraphrase Churchill: In a campaign, Obama's lies are so precious that they should always be attended by a bodyguard of more lies.

15 posted on 07/23/2012 9:08:54 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: raulgomez05

WaPo is circling the obamawagon train. Romney is not the only one who heard the Marxist-in-chief utter the words, and, know fully what he meant by them.

Obamas words were just saying what he has exhibited in deed for the past 3 1/2 years.

Obama is, among other things, a crook. Excuses and lies are his stock in trade.


16 posted on 07/23/2012 9:10:05 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: rktman

Let’s see, if we take 0bama’s speech, in its entirety, in context, he’s still justifying rapacious tax rates on small business owners by saying that it wasn’t their hard work that built the business, it was built on someone else’s hard work.

There is no “context” that changes this meaning.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 9:10:33 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: cdcdawg
The fact that the Post goes to FDR for support shows just how disconnected they really are.

FDR started the welfare state. We are suffering the consequences now of his redistributionist and collectivist philosophy. The WP inadvertently has given Romney more ammo if he has the guts to use it. Here is the WP quote of FDR:

Wealth in the modern world does not come merely from individual effort; it results from a combination of individual effort and of the manifold uses to which the community puts that effort. The individual does not create the product of his industry with his own hands; he utilizes the many processes and forces of mass production to meet the demands of a national and international market.

“Therefore, in spite of the great importance in our national life of the efforts and ingenuity of unusual individuals, the people in the mass have inevitably helped to make large fortunes possible. Without mass cooperation great accumulations of wealth would be impossible save by unhealthy speculation. As Andrew Carnegie put it, ‘Where wealth accrues honorably, the people are always silent partners.’ Whether it be wealth achieved through the cooperation of the entire community or riches gained by speculation — in either case the ownership of such wealth or riches represents a great public interest and a great ability to pay.

“People know that vast personal incomes come not only through the effort or ability or luck of those who receive them, but also because of the opportunities for advantage which Government itself contributes. Therefore, the duty rests upon the Government to restrict such incomes by very high taxes.”

18 posted on 07/23/2012 9:13:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: raulgomez05

How could it be out of “context”? It was the core theme of the speech. Entrepreneurs don’t build anything. They make money off the “investment” of government.

Was this taken out of context too? It is virtually the same thing:

“Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet.”


19 posted on 07/23/2012 9:13:57 AM PDT by DManA
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To: cdcdawg

I heard somewhere that both Brian Ross and Obama are convicted child molesters. I hope it’s not true.


20 posted on 07/23/2012 9:16:13 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: raulgomez05

Steppin’ and fetchin’ for Obama.


21 posted on 07/23/2012 9:17:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: raulgomez05

A politician’s allies claiming he was taken out of context. Imagine that.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 9:17:48 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: raulgomez05

What’s scariest about this, as is often the case, is the set of comments. WaPo readers are frighteningly stupid, blind, hate-filled, irresponsible. Not news to us, but everytime I see this on display, I get scared to death of what lies ahead.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 9:18:58 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: raulgomez05

24 posted on 07/23/2012 9:21:14 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: raulgomez05

The fact that there are roads does NOT mean I didn’t build my own business. There have always been roads and they are driven on by businessmen and welfare cheats alike.

However, the businessmen pay for them!

Mr. Obama, I paid for this road!


25 posted on 07/23/2012 9:22:05 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: raulgomez05

I would like to thank the Wash Post for providing the full, uneditied quote. It’s even more damning than the Romney Ad.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 9:24:50 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: raulgomez05

No amount of spin can erase the collectivist ideaolgy basic to Obama and Warren. As others have posted, taxes on individuals and businesses pay for infrastructure, employees are paid market wages or better, etc.


27 posted on 07/23/2012 9:25:21 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: ilgipper

You’re exactly right. This is a partisan cover-up, and an insult to readers’ intelligence.


28 posted on 07/23/2012 9:25:26 AM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: raulgomez05
Unoriginal, huh? Well, that part of the headline is true, at least:

Capitalist production, therefore, develops technology, and the combining together of various processes into a social whole, only by sapping the original sources of all wealth - the soil and the labourer. -- Karl Marx

If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Someone else made it happen. -- Barack Obama

29 posted on 07/23/2012 9:28:39 AM PDT by Random_User_250
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To: Paladin2

Well, I’m sure that at some point, somebody by the name of “Brian Ross” was associated in some way with the Penn State football program, so ........ good enough for me!


30 posted on 07/23/2012 9:29:34 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: raulgomez05; FlingWingFlyer; ilgipper; Verginius Rufus; cdcdawg; G Larry; Perdogg; txrefugee; ...
Here. Let's use all his context and give him complete benefit of the doubt. I add his own words to Joe the Plumber.

“There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody."


How many Pinnochios is that? “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

I just want you to be clear – it’s not that I want to punish your success – I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you – that they’ve got a chance at success too.”

31 posted on 07/23/2012 9:31:09 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: raulgomez05

The Peasantry Don't Create Wealth

Chairman Obama Creates Wealth


32 posted on 07/23/2012 9:34:30 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: rktman

I thought the original ‘Joe the Plumber’ discussion would have disqualified Obama from the POTUS. Apparently, 51.8% of the voters agreed with Obama. That is who we need to be concerned about, those that vote themselves largess from the treasury. We’re outnumbered.
PS I’m not getting in that boxcar! I have joined the resistance, the innovative and creative crowd that will prosper despite Big Government.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 9:40:39 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: raulgomez05
I think that we will look back at this Friday 13th speech of Obama and see the election turn. This was an absolute unforced error on the President's part that exposes his internal convictions as it was an off-the-cuff extension by all reports.

Even at this point, the USofA psyche is still driven by the entrepeneurial ideal based in history. School kids may not know Edison or Ford, but they do know their iPods and the Steve Jobs story. This Obama position may resonate with the statists BUT it will drive those who love the right to strive and the freedom to succeed TO THE POLLS!

34 posted on 07/23/2012 9:42:43 AM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: raulgomez05

Pot, meet Kettle. WaPo would NEVER take a quote out of context, would they?


35 posted on 07/23/2012 9:45:02 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion, cigars and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: Iron Munro

Great pic!!


36 posted on 07/23/2012 9:51:04 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Positive
I've been thinking about this for months.

Øbama the populist has become a folksy/ebonicsy illiterate in his speeches.

He has been trying to sound "American" and "presidential" in recent days. Slap a Texas twang on him and he could be George W. Bush.

"There are going to be other days for politics," Obama said. "This is a day for prayer and reflection."

However, narcissist that he is, he was probably saying is that he is going to pray to his own reflection today.

37 posted on 07/23/2012 9:52:01 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: raulgomez05

The ad deceivingly cuts away from Obama speaking in order
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Good! Beat the Dems at their own game. McCain would have never done this.


38 posted on 07/23/2012 9:58:41 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

WaPo Fact.......OXYMORON


39 posted on 07/23/2012 9:59:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: FrankR
Obamas words were just saying what he has exhibited in deed for the past 3 1/2 years.

Not just in deed. Have we already forgotten his conversation with "Joe The Plumber"? [Note that he is being almost truthful when he talks about sharing the wealth--except it's not really what I would call 'sharing' but that's a topic for another day--then he makes a promise to small business owners which turns out is a lie.]

"Because my attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. If you've got a plumbing business, you're gonna be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you. And right now, everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody. And I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. But, listen, I respect what you do and I respect your question. And even if I don't get your vote, I'm still gonna be working hard on your behalf 'cause I want to make sure … small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it."

JOE THE PLUMBER: A TRANSCRIPT Tampa Bay Times 10/19/08


40 posted on 07/23/2012 10:07:03 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: raulgomez05

The excuses that Obama’s remarks were “taken out of context” are just BS. If he didn’t mean what we think he (or Elizabeth Warren) meant, the remarks have no real meaning at all.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:16 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: sam_paine
Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Four Pinnochios right there. Government (defense) research created the internet so the armed forces could communicate in an anticipated war with the USSR.

Resourceful men and women have since creatively manipulated the internet to serve business purposes.

42 posted on 07/23/2012 10:15:29 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Random_User_250

Barack Obama: the “Cliff’s Notes” version of Karl Marx.


43 posted on 07/23/2012 10:40:30 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: raulgomez05

Problem for Obama is not Romnenys ad which is just politics after all. It is with the fact that a vast majority of Americans believe that this is truly how the President sees the citizens


44 posted on 07/23/2012 11:10:26 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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