Posted on 07/10/2012 8:45:56 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
1. There’s a lot of evidence that you have not seen, nor I, although I may have seen a little more than you. Doesn’t mean those who have been researching don’t have evidence. They’ll show their evidence when the time is right.
2. Your purported evidence supporting the family mythology in “Dreams” has been taken apart on FR for three years and is not trustworthy at all. For instance, David has taken apart that U of WA bogus transcript several times, that “9” is not all he’s pointed out. You say “I have seen no evidence that would stand up in court disproving SAD’s maternity of Barry etc”. Well, no one has seen ANY evidence that she IS the mother! What you are doing is assuming that the stated purported parentage and official story is true! By default! It’s exactly the argument that since 0bastard is the candidate or President already, it’s up to everyone else to prove that is not eligible, not up to him to prove that he is!
There is no proof that SAD is the mother or that the Kenyan is the father. What little snippets that are sort of available have so many faults that they are patently fraudulent - to the open mind!
3. Criminal investigations are going on and why should any of us demand to see all the cards when this may well jeopardize the investigations? Hold your horses!
“The divorce court ruled that BO SR. was the father at time of birth.
Doesn’t make a difference who bio father is.”
Actually, it was a custody hearing after Indonesian National Barry Soetoro arrived in Hawaii from Jakarta as an unaccompanied minor with foreign nationality.
Contrary to Obama’s assertions in his autobiography, unaccompanied foreign child are not waved through customs and sent on to the waiting arms of a white lady who says she is the grandmother. That has all the earmarks of child trafficking.
Lil’ Barry was taken into to protective custody by the U.S. Federal Government until a hearing could be held to determine who is the legal custodian of the unaccompanied minor traveling to the U.S. on an international flight. Only foreign children are taken into the Federal Foster Care program. If Barry Soetoro was an American, he would have been placed with a state based social service agency.
Eventually, the Soetoro adoption was annulled and Barack Hussein Obama II was placed in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. His grandmother was appointed his guardian or foster mother. BHO II stayed in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut from 1971 to 1979 when he reached the age of majority.
It was Obama’s case manager in Connecticut that filed for his SSN in 1977. Consequently, he would have a Connecticut SSN prefix.
Your point about the kleptocracy in which we evidently live is well taken — the rule of law has been eroded over time. That said, it has accelerated greatly under Obama. I would also argue that we can easily distinguish the tremendous weakening of our national security under Obama relative to Bush. Let us count just some of the ways:
* Obama has stiffed our allies like the Brits, Poles, Egyptians, etc., with often serious consequences for our and their national security.
* Obama has deliberately fomented the ‘Arab Spring’ and the emergence of a new wave of Islamofascist regimes in the Arab world.
* The Obama administration has prohibited discussions of the threat of Islamist extremism from us in DOJ and DOD training materials.
* Obama has criticized our troops for handling of defaced Korans, etc., even though the procedures were within both religious and militaryguidelines.
* The demoralization of our troops extends to repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, planned cuts in troop levels, substantial increases in healthcare premiums for military and their families, etc.
* Obama has weakened border security and has opposed states like Arizona that sought to enforce federal law against illegal aliens. There is evidence that Arab terrorists are massing in Latin America and that some have illegally crossed into the US under Obama.
* Obama is seeking to reduce unilaterally our nuclear arsenal.
* Obama shockingly pledged to provide our Russian adversaries with “more flexibility” on missile defense and other issues after the election. This is not the negotiating tactic I would expect from someone who was concerned about national security — at least ours.
Bush was far from perfect. In particular, the Patriot Act was created on his watch. I also thought he did a very poor job of motivating and defending the Iraq war. That said, the pace of weakening of our national defenses has rapidly accelerated under Obama. One might wonder: on which side is the current administration?
“Your purported evidence supporting the family mythology in “Dreams” has been taken apart on FR for three years and is not trustworthy at all. For instance, David has taken apart that U of WA bogus transcript several times, that “9” is not all he’s pointed out.”
False. All of the contemporaneous 1961 and 1962 documentary evidence corroborating Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom pre-dates “Dreams” and refutes Ayers’ Dreams. David’s claims about the U of WA transcript are entirely speculative providing no basis to declare forgery, IMO.
BTW a new article posted today suggests a possible Japanese name to the Asian-looking Ann (USA) at the Nachmanoff’s. It is:
Ann Niamoto
“What David Maraniss Left Out of The Story”
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/what_david_maraniss_left_out_of_the_story.html
FR thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2905229/posts
That child is Zippo.
His father at the time of his birth was the future Kenyan.
At best he was born a dual citizen.
A dual citizen is not a NBC unless you believe the Founding Fathers were idiots and would allow a British Subject to be president after fighting a war to kick limey butt out of the USA>
Yeah especially around the eyes, well, not really. The ears...no they're different. It's the mouth...well no, not so much.
It's the shape of their head....well no, that's completely different.
They're both black.
As opposed to say..."birthers" like you?
False. All of the contemporaneous 1961 and 1962 documentary evidence corroborating Stanley Ann as Barry’s mom pre-dates “Dreams” and refutes Ayers’ Dreams. David’s claims about the U of WA transcript are entirely speculative providing no basis to declare forgery, IMO.
Well you may not want to believe me which you are certainly welcome to do however as I sit here and type this, I have in my hand a photocopy of a certified 1961 transcript and copies of a handful of late 50's and early 60's transcripts--they are all alike; all information is handwritten; all have 21 binder holes; all are three column; none have any typewritten information; I could go on--the purported Stanley U of W transcript is an obvious fake and is fraudulent.
Not a birther of any variety.
If you ask me, the INS seemed to question Obama’s paternity in his stepfather’s records. They asked someone to check the status of the kid in relation to Lolo Soetoro, with regard to a specific law. This was when Lolo was trying to either stay in or return to the US (I forget which). Since it was known that Lolo and Ann were married, then why would there be any question about his status? The answer given was that, within the definitions in that law, Obama was Lolo’s stepson. So either they questioned whether he possibly was the biological father (technically, not legally) or they questioned whether he’d adopted him and so was his legal father. Otherwise, I see no reason why they pursued an answer to that specific question. The answer seems to have been that technically, Lolo was his stepfather. The question seemed to have something to do with whether or not being separated from Lolo would be a hardship on the child.
If you ask me, the INS seemed to question Obama’s paternity in his stepfather’s records. They asked someone to check the status of the kid in relation to Lolo Soetoro, with regard to a specific law. This was when Lolo was trying to either stay in or return to the US (I forget which). Since it was known that Lolo and Ann were married, then why would there be any question about his status? The answer given was that, within the definitions in that law, Obama was Lolo’s stepson. So either they questioned whether he possibly was the biological father (technically, not legally) or they questioned whether he’d adopted him and so was his legal father. Otherwise, I see no reason why they pursued an answer to that specific question. The answer seems to have been that technically, Lolo was his stepfather. The question seemed to have something to do with whether or not being separated from Lolo would be a hardship on the child.
A person can “renounce” his citizenship by performing acts that, in essence, renouce it, even if that wasn’t his intent. For example, voting in an election in another country. Possibly flying on a foreign passport. Possibly getting student loans as a foreign student. Also, if born a dual citizen, not letting the non-US citizenship go away upon reaching the age of majority. That’s my understanding.
Trouble is that Barry doesn’t look anything like Frank Marshall Davis either......Barry does look a hell of a lot like his maternal grandfather.....Stanley Dunham....one wonders if Mr. Dunham had an unknown black girlfriend who is Barry’s mother.....Anyone ever seen photos of Stanley Anne Dunham pregnant??? Maybe she was doing her dad a favor by posing as the mother.
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Nope. There are some acts that can result in "relinquishment" of citizenship if made with the intent of relinquishing citizenship, but there is a legal presumption that the person intends to retain American citizenship. To the extent that when the commission of such an act comes to the attention of officials, they merely ask the person if he intended to relinquish citizenship. If he says no, that the end of it. No relinquishment.
There are extremely rare exceptions to this basic rule, but such things would come up hardly ever.
Mostly serving in military forces fighting the US, or becoming an actual policy level official in another nation.
IOW, it is very difficult to lose US citizenship without formally stating one's intention to do so. Almost never happens by accident.
thttp://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
The author of a recent book on the subject had the UNREDACTED FILE for two YEARS!
When Smathers obtained the file, all she got was the REDACTED MATERIAL!
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/AnnaObamaUnivofWashingtonTranscript.jpg
To my eye, having lived through the entire automation era, most of the card is computer generated but the subsequent transcript annotations (transcripts sent?) appear to have been typed.
Corsi also made available a 2009 printout from the U of WA database corroborating the Obamafile 1970’s image, including attendance and Russian course in the Fall of 1960 at U of Hawaii:
* Eliminated Kaddafi
* Eliminated Mubarack
* Is in the process of removing Assad
* Has kept up pressure on Iran
* Has wound down our Iraq presence while maintaining in Afghanistan
* Has been tough with Pakistan, trying to pry them away from China
* Likewise Myanmar
* Has rightly tilted toward India, Vietnam and the Philippines
* Has at least contained Chavez, whose days may be numbered
All of these items relate to the Big Kahuna: China, which we are continuing to progressively isolate and deny client state relations. Keeping Putin on the fence is part of that.
Don't get me wrong. I think Obama himself, like Bush and Clinton before him, amounts to little more than a cardboard cutout tasked with making some speeches and shaking the hands of dignitaries. The heavy lifting on policy and implementation remains with the "permanent government." His influence is mainly around the fringes: "style vs substance," as I said. The best thing about the man is that he has not made any colossal f**kups, which I attribute to his handlers and lots of time playing golf.
Bottom line: From the standpoint of the permanent national security establishment, Obama ain't been so bad and has worked out passably well, putting the appropriate and well-spoken international ethnic face on what remains a rather iron-fisted US imperial foreign policy.
It's like he was perfectly groomed and styled for the job. And maybe he was!
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