Immigration officers doubted Obama birth story (Corsi tip-off to 7/17 Apaio Posse findings?)

WND ^ | July 10, 2012 | Jerome R. Corsi

[editor-surveyor]

BFL

[bacall]

I’m interested in your theory about Obama I making Obama II “100% Kenyan” in 1971, especially after the revelation of the publisher’s biography that said Obama II was born in Kenya. Now there’s another item that suggests he was born in Kenya, or at least that he pretended that was true as late as 1990. http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/obamas-tessellated-pattern-of-reality-more-from-the-1990-harvard-law-revue/#more-15932 A Harvard publication said Obama is an “African African-American”.

Is your theory that he was a U.S. citizen through his mother and a Kenyan citizen, too, through his father’s intervention in 1971? Or do you believe his mother gave up her U.S. citizenship and so couldn’t reinstate his U.S. citizenship? This is really confusing. Why did she have to take him off of her passport? I’ve never understood that part of it.

At Harvard he could have been a dual citizen, if he didn’t let that Kenyan citizenship expire shortly after he reached the age of majority.

Didn’t his campaign say in 2008 that he was born a British subject who automatically acquired Kenyan citizenship, when Kenya became independent? If he didn’t do anything to keep the Kenyan citizenship, then it expired. His campaign said that it did, but we can’t believe anything they say.

How does that fit into the theory that he became 100% Kenyan in 1971?

Do you believe that he attended Punahou as a permanent resident and a citizen only of Kenya? Maybe that’s how he was able to attend those expensive schools, right up through Harvard Law, with foreign student scholarships or grants.

[bacall]

I’m interested in your theory about Obama I making Obama II “100% Kenyan” in 1971, especially after the revelation of the publisher’s biography that said Obama II was born in Kenya. Now there’s another item that suggests he was born in Kenya, or at least that he pretended that was true as late as 1990. http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/obamas-tessellated-pattern-of-reality-more-from-the-1990-harvard-law-revue/#more-15932 A Harvard publication said Obama is an “African African-American”.

Is your theory that he was a U.S. citizen through his mother and a Kenyan citizen, too, through his father’s intervention in 1971? Or do you believe his mother gave up her U.S. citizenship and so couldn’t reinstate his U.S. citizenship? This is really confusing. Why did she have to take him off of her passport? I’ve never understood that part of it.

At Harvard he could have been a dual citizen, if he didn’t let that Kenyan citizenship expire shortly after he reached the age of majority.

Didn’t his campaign say in 2008 that he was born a British subject who automatically acquired Kenyan citizenship, when Kenya became independent? If he didn’t do anything to keep the Kenyan citizenship, then it expired. His campaign said that it did, but we can’t believe anything they say.

How does that fit into the theory that he became 100% Kenyan in 1971?

Do you believe that he attended Punahou as a permanent resident and a citizen only of Kenya? Maybe that’s how he was able to attend those expensive schools, right up through Harvard Law, with foreign student scholarships or grants.

[Plummz]

The “Revue” link is quite interesting! Will have to take the time to read through the whole thing...

[Brown Deer]

Bridgeport Telegram (Bridgeport, CT) April 25, 1951

ANSONIA MAN JAILED FOR 2 AUTO FATALITIES

NEW HAVE, April, 25- (AP) Superior Court Judge Samuel Mellitz yesterday warned that drinking and driving don't mix and sentenced an Ansonia motorist to a year in the county jail for running down and killing a Yale professor and his daughter. Judge Mellitz found Raymond Burr, 30 guilty on a charge of misconduct of a motor vehicle.

John Fee Embree, 42, and his daughter Claire, 16, of Hamden, were killed last Dec. 22. Burr had pleaded no contest last week.

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Society for Applied Anthropology Publication; Human Organization, Volume 10, number 1/Spring 1951; pages 33-34

John Fee Embree: 1908-1950: by Alexander Spehr

In the tragic death of John Fee Embree, reported in the last issue of this journal, anthropology lost one of its most sensitive field observers, a sound scholar, and a proponent and critic of the extension of anthropology into the applied field.

Embree was born on August 26, 1908 in New Have, Connecticut, the son of Kate Clark and the late Edwin R. Embree. As director of the Rosenwald Fund, the elder Embree was well known for his interest in race relations, whose investigation and improvement formed one of the Fund's principal objectives. John Embree's parental background was conducive to his developing a condern with peoples of differing racial and cultural backgrounds.

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From her papers at the University of Hawaii at Manoa Library

On Feb. 20, 1909 Ella Meierovna Lury was born in the Tsarist Russian Far Eastern town of Nikolaevsk-on-Amur. Her father, Meier Moiseevich Lury was a merchant of the First Guild and owner of an extensive fishery business not only in Russia, but also China and Japan. The primary fish he dealt in was salmon and its red caviar, both of which Ella adored. She was educated at home by a series of governesses and tutors from England and Germany. By 1920 Ella's father fortuitously had moved the family to Yokohama, Japan. In March of that year a renegade band of Blosheviks held the residents of Nikolaevsk hostage and proceeded to kill a large percentage of the population, including many of Ella's relatives.

In Japan Ella graduated from the Canadian Academy in 1926 and left to attend the University of California at Berkeley (1927-1929) where she studied French. From 1929 to 1931 she attended the Sorbonne University in Paris, majoring in French. Having met John Embree on various ships when she returned each year to see her family in Japan; she married him in 1932. While living in Canada John obtained an MA in Anthropology at the University of Toronto, and their daughter Clare was born (Dec. 29, 1933). From 1934-35 they were at the University of Chicago, where John began to work on his PhD; he received a scholarship to live from 1934-36 in the village of Suye Mura (Kyushu, Japan), where John was doing fieldwork with Ella's assistance. Ella's field notes on her interactions with and observations of the women in the village were later published. Back in Chicago (1935-38) John received his doctorate, and the family next moved to Kona, Hawaii (1938-1939), where a study of the acculturation of Japanese farmers growing coffee was undertaken. John taught in the Anthropology Dept. at UH (1939-1941) and Ella taught Russian in night school A teaching invitation in August of 1941 took them back to the University of Toronto, but after Pearl Harbor, John was called to Washington DC as a Japan specialist. From 1944-45 they returned to Chicago where John and Ella were both teaching. From 1945-57 they lived in Honolulu and worked for the US Office of War Information. John headed the US Information Service in Bangkok and later Saigon (1947-49). In the fall of 1949 John accepted a position at Yale University as Chairman of the Southeast Asia Studies Program. On the 22nd of December 1950 tragedy struck. Ella had been preparing dinner and did not know why John and Clare had not returned home...until a knock on her door...and a police officer informed her that both were killed as they crossed the street.

Ella was forever grateful that in February of 1951 UH President Gregg Sinclair, whom John and Ella knew quite well, sent her a cable asking her to come at once to begin teaching French and to start a Russian program. That summer when the village held a memorial service for John and Clare, Ella returned to Suye Mura for the first time since 1935. By 1954 the Russian program was set up. In April of 1955 she married Fred J. Wisewell. Ella went to the soviet Union three time (1957, 1964 and 1979), but she always regretted never being able to return to Nikolaevsk.

During her retirement years Ella kept busy publishing many articles and books. She was an active member of the Bishop Museum's Pacific Translators' Committee and did many translations from French and Russian concerning visits to Hawaii. As a result of this work she also published a translation from Russian of V.M. Golovnin's Around the world on the Kamchatka, 1817-1819 (Hawaiian Historical Society and UH Press, 1979). The women of Suye Mura (co-authored with Robert J. Smith; Univ. of Chicago Press, 1982) was a pioneering text of Women's Studies. He other publications concern the town in which she was born: The destruction of Nikolaevsk-onAmur, 1920 by A.Ya. Gutman (translated from Russian by E. Wisewell; Limestone Press, 1993), and Liudi v adu [People in hell] by Konstantin Emelianov (translated by E. Wiswell; Vladivostok State Univ. of Economics and Services, 2004).

On the 16th of August 2005 Ella Lury Wiswell died. She is survived by her cousin and adopted sister Sophy Kraslavsky (Tokyo, Japan); her niece Carolyn Karcher, well-known Professor of American Literature at Temple University (Washington DC); her nephew Richard R. Lury, a lawyer (NYC/NJ)' and sister-in-law Catherine Harris (Honolulu) and Edwina Devereux (Ithaca, NY).

[Seizethecarp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Burr

"Raymond William Stacey Burr (May 21, 1917 – September 12, 1993) was a Canadian actor,[1] primarily known for his title roles in the television dramas Perry Mason and Ironside."

About age 32 at the time of the accident at Yale? What a terrible tragedy to lose a husband and 17 year old daughter that way.

It is safe to assume that she was an ardent anticommunist, I would think. She did return to the USSR immediately after Stalin died, IIRC, when it was a bit safer for an exile.

[Fred Nerks]

Ella Lury Wiswell February 20, 1909 - August 16, 2005

Russian Collections at Hamilton Library University of Hawai'i

[Brown Deer]

and he ended up in a wheelchair ;-)

Name: Raymond Burr
Father’s Surname: Burr
Death Date: 24 Oct 1991
Death Place: Derby, New Haven, Connecticut
Age: 71 Years
Birth Place: Ansonia, Connecticut
Birth Date: 9 Feb 1920
Marital Status: Never Married (Single)
State File #: 21244
Occupation: SPRAY PNTR
Industry: GIERING METAL FINISH CO
Education: Primary/Secondary
Residence : Ansonia, New Haven, Connecticut
Address: 23 Clarkson St 064011201
Gender: Male
Race: White

[Seizethecarp]

Thanks. Raymond Burr, the actor, was another Canadian...

[Brown Deer]

Ella Meierovna LURY

[Fred Nerks]

Father: Meier Moisevich LURY b: 1881 in Russia

Jewish. Mensheviks, probably.

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/russiaandukraine/a/Who-Were-The-Mensheviks-And-Bolsheviks.htm

[David]

The point of my earlier comment is that the fact that Ella was credentialed teaching a Russian language class in 1955 does not mean that she was in fact teaching Russian in 1960 anywhere at the University, much less at the East West Center.

In fact, as Fred also points out, the purported story here has not been anywhere on the record until some recent date. A couple of years ago, Fred identified a news article dating from the late 50’s or early 60’s which has since been scrubbed about two retired ladies in Honolulu, one of whom to the best of my memory was Ella, who were retired Russian language instructors, who were living in Hawaii. No evidence that either one of them was teaching Russian in the fall of 1960.

Given the extent to which we are looking at a record, much of which emanates from Photo Shop, it isn’t unreasonable to suggest that we ought to see some certified record that dates back in the 60’s or 70’s before we believe that the University of Hawaii was teaching a Russian language class anywhere in a closet in 1960—certainly didn’t have anything to do with the East West Center which didn’t even exist.

And of course it is some leap from the point at which you could prove a Russian language course was possible to supporting a fairy tale about Stanley, an entering Freshman, being in the class in the fall of 60—as of this date, there is no real evidence Stanley was ever in Hawaii prior to March of 1963.

[Seizethecarp]

“And of course it is some leap from the point at which you could prove a Russian language course was possible to supporting a fairy tale about Stanley, an entering Freshman, being in the class in the fall of 60—as of this date, there is no real evidence Stanley was ever in Hawaii prior to March of 1963.”

On the contrary it is only unsupported speculation that Stanley Ann was NOT in HI in the Russian class in the Fall of 1960. All of the evidence supports her being there and there is NO evidence supporting claims of forgery of any of the FOIA docs, U of HI Registrar letter, U of WA transcripts.

[David]

On the contrary it is only unsupported speculation that Stanley Ann was NOT in HI in the Russian class in the Fall of 1960. All of the evidence supports her being there and there is NO evidence supporting claims of forgery of any of the FOIA docs, U of HI Registrar letter, U of WA transcripts.

Well you can say anything. But the fact record is this.

Copies of 1960's U of W transcript forms are out there in circulation--they make the U of W procedure for tracking academic record clear and demonstrate conclusively that the U of W transcript is fraudulent.

That in turn impeaches the Hawaii record recounted on the fraudulent transcript.

Further, the combined documents are not credible because on their face, they infer that Stanley didn't get credit for either the claimed 1960 Hawaii course or the U of W academic credits.

You have the letters from the East West Center students in the fall of 61--Senior didn't have a wife at the U of W who had custody of a son at that time.

You have the Rick Anderson Seattle Weekly article--no baby at the Toutonghi boarding house on Capital Hill.

The U of Hawaii letters and other web site information is not evidence--no certified transcript or other reason to believe it is any more factual than the fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate. The only document in the entire package that would meet the test of admissible evidence would be a certified copy of the U of W transcript. We don't have that and won't get it because no one at the U will take the risk of a perjury charge to certify it for the reason that it is clearly a fake that would be exposed by any of the hundreds of people who have first hand knowledge of how these kinds of records were maintained in the 60's and by production of actual 1960's academic records.

There is no record of any single person who saw Stanley in Hawaii at any time prior to March 1963--she wasn't there.

[LucyT]

There is no record of any single person who saw Stanley Ann in Hawaii at any time prior to March 1963--she wasn't there.

Please check out more information at # 174.

Thanks, David.

[Elle Bee]

fingers crossed

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[stephenjohnbanker]

” fingers crossed”

Fingers

Eyes

Toes

......you name em!

[Las Vegas Ron]

Thanks LucyT.

Looking forward to tomorrow!

[Elle Bee]

sorry to say that it doesn't sound like a smoking gun

More -just can't back up the Obama narrative with facts

I'm afraid this will not move the ball before the clock runs out

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[null and void]

The presser is tomorrow.

I hope Sheriff Joe survives the night.