Posted on 07/08/2012 6:23:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer
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Oops: part of this quote can be found in this Cashill article (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/the_case_against_barack_obama_sr.html) lots of pretty pics, too!
What an incredibly strange web of connected people.
off topic.... Is USPS a branch of Fed Gov? Private like Fed Reserve? Thx in advance! I recently was told USPS has nothing to do with Gov.
Last week even Mark Levin (previous “birther” basher) was denouncing Barry's false bio narrative as exposed most recently by Maraniss. This opens to possibility that even Levin might have concluded that he might have to walk back his previous position and consider new evidence (Arpaio Posse July 17?) that Barry's birth location bio narrative was fraudulent.
It is dated 6-11-2008.
I think Fred has the answer to that--in context from where it is written that is November 6, 2008, not June 11, 2008.
The writer, Lois Dougan, sounds like she is referring to an entering class of students at the East-West Center who “converged on Honolulu a month after he (Barry) was born there” and who knew BHO Sr but had zero knowledge of any baby or even any marriage to SADO or the alternate “Anne/Anna”.
One month after he was born would be about Sept. 4, 1961 when numerous corroborating documents and witness statements confirm that Stanley Ann and baby Barry were both already in Seattle (unless all faked including FOIA docs, U of HI and U of WA transcripts and confirmations, friends of SADO, Polk).
I looked at the American Thinker article by Cashill but can't tell if he has some alternate method for dating the first meeting of the East West Center people which he places in September 1961. But somewhere I think I recall that the fall of 61 was in fact when the East West Center was organized--that having earlier been responsive to the fact that the fairy tale meeting in the Russian class couldn't have happened in the fall of 1960.
If so, then you have to say that here these people are sitting around daily seeing Senior and talking to him regularly but not ever hearing that he has a wife and one month old son--even if the wife and son have just jumped ship on him and gone to Seattle.
And more difficult to believe that he has this wife who has just borne him a son a month earlier, who, based on the people with first hand knowledge like Richard Anderson, left him, Senior, with the kid for whom he is now responsible and taking care of, nonetheless never having said anything about going home to feed the son every three hours.
You can believe anything if you need to. But . . . .
In my view of what happened, the real son of Senior was born sometime earlier--maybe January of 60; the mother, Anna Toutonghi Obama, left him probably sometime in the fall of 1960 and went to Seattle to her Toutonghi relatives at their bording house; leaving the son at age around one and a half, in the care of FMD; by the time of the conversations with Senior this lady refers to, the son is now two and a half and still living with FMD; no mother in sight.
As to the report tieing zero as the guy from Equatorial Guinea with the 8-1-61 or 1-8-61 birth date, maybe the form was completed by someone knowing that zero was born in early August but not knowing the exact date; and contrary to Fred's view filled in blank in the month-day-year order.
I have difficult with Fred's view of the date on that form because I don't think either zero or BHO 2 was born in January of 1961.
Bottom line though is that we don't yet know enough to say when or where with confidence we can prove it if called on to do so.
USPS is wholly owned by the government. It is an INDEPENDENT EXECUTIVE ESTABLISHMENT
Fred I wish you would write a book! I would love to read it. You have always been onto the truth and you know him better then Sherriff Joe!
In that Keywiki you posted earlier. Davis certainly speaks like Bari without the TOTUS.... uh, uh, uh...
So actual son of the Kenyan was cared for by FMD and I assume his wife for a few years? Would that have been until the Kenyan 0bama married Ruth and went back to Kenya, taking his son with him?
"Until we can approach all human problems," he once remarked, "with the clinical aloofness and cynical contempt of a doctor examining a guinea pig strapped to a board, we have little chance of getting at the truth."
His "philo"sophy that crimes can't be solved by deductions based merely on material clues and circumstantial evidence gives an alternative approach to finding out the truth.
"The great trouble with you chaps, d' ye see, is that you approach every crime with a fixed and unshakable assumption that the criminal is either half-witted or a colossal bungler. I say, has it never by any chance occurred to you that if a detective could see a clue, the criminal would also have seen it and would either have concealed it or disguised it, if he had not wanted it found? And have you never paused to consider that anyone clever enough to plan and execute a successful crime these days is, ipso facto, clever enough to manufacture whatever clues suit his purpose?"
As Vance disagrees with NY District Attorney Markham that crimes are not witnessed by outsiders, we can draw several parallels to this mind-bender before us:
"That's your fundamental error, don't y' know," Vance observed impassively. "Every crime is witnessed by outsiders, just as is every work of art. The fact that no one sees the criminal, or the artist, actu'lly at work, is wholly incons'quential. The modern investigator of crime would doubtless refuse to believe that Rubens painted the Descent from the Cross in the Cathedral at Antwerp if there was sufficient circumst'ntial evidence to indicate that he had been away on diplomatic business, for instance, at the time it was painted. And yet, my dear fellow, such a conclusion would be prepost'rous. Even if the inf'rences to the contr'ry were so irresistible as to be legally overpowering, the picture itself would prove conclusively that Rubens did paint it. Why? For the simple reason, d' ye see,that no one but Rubens could have painted it. It bears the indelible imprint of his personality and genius—and his alone."
"There is one infallible method of determining human guilt and responsibility," Vance explained; "but as yet the police are as blissfully unaware of its possibilities as they are ignorant of its operations. The truth can be learned only by an analysis of the psychological factors of a crime and an application of them to the individual. The only real clues are psychological—not material. Your truly profound art expert, for instance, does not judge and authenticate pictures by an inspection of the underpainting and a chemical analysis of the pigments, but by studying the creative personality revealed in the picture's conception and execution. He asks himself: Does this work of art embody the qualities of form and technique and mental attitude that made up the genius—namely, the personality—of Rubens, or Michelangelo, or Veronese, or Titian, or Tintoretto, or whoever may be the artist to whom the work has been tentatively credited."*
Many here have been expert at applying Vance's methods and others dig for every scrap and shred of proof. We need both!
I return to the following questions, starting in the early 1960s, which is a long time ago. People thought and reacted very differently, but human nature is often predictable. Suspend for a moment that anyone in his young life was grooming him specifically to become who he is today and take yourself back to that time and place:
Now fast forward to today. Clues may have been planted for the exact purpose of misleading us. But why? Why couldn't his nativity story simply be a run-of-the-mill, heard a million times, broken family story? If it's a case of his lineage being so important then we must look into the people at the heart of this mystery. But if he is not the direct descendant of a political outlaw, what else could be so nefarious in this man's past that anyone would care about today? We have heaps of evidence about the direction in which the man is taking the country! So if it isn't the wrong father, the most glaring thing would be that he is not ELIGIBLE.
And if there was an attempt to cover this problem up once people started asking, then it has become a very tangled web. Because everyone knew that his father was born in Kenya when he was put on the ballot. Is this all just a case of tying to get a birth certificate to "match" that claim? Because both the Certificate and the Certification are proven forgeries. Could it just be this simple? He tried to make a lie out of a simple truth: Unwed mother. Father unknown.
I could continue down this vein if anyone is interested. I think his books hold many, many insights to the personality, though there is strong speculation that he didn't write them. Maybe all the clues are in his children's book!
Meanwhile, thank you for all of the hard work you do here.
*Excerpted from, "The Benson Murder Case," Van Dine, S. S. Published: 1926
kitman example #4082 of 0bama. Lying by omission...to infidels.
East West Center was proposed by LBJ . Mutual Security Act of 1959 called on the State Department to investigate.
Eisenhower signed it into existence in 1960...under the Mutual Security Act.
You might think about that for a minute.
The Mutual Security Act. It got rid of the entity that had managed The Marshall Plan.
Of course, Dean Acheson was involved.
One GOP person said military aid to those on our side was a good idea. Someone else said this was suppose to prevent war not fight a war. A Democrat.
The Act blocked giving assistance to Cuba.
It is possible that there were classes under East-West but not in the buildings yet because those came later.
The State Department had a legislative mandate to oversee East West.
East-West had problems
http://archive.gao.gov/f1002a/105060.pdf
But really , that is to be expected when it is a CIA training ground
Lucien Conein recruited Frank Scotten into the CIA.
Scotten was involved with Operation Phoenix. He attended East West. Scotten admitted that East-West was a training ground for creating agent nets.
Eventual CIA director Colby was in charge of Indonesia and put the same type of Operation into effect.
By the way, the CIA had a defector program.It was put under USAID.
As an interesting sidenotee- Daniel Ellsberg (of Pentagon Papers fame) worked with Scotton’s teams.
Unless you know the country of origin of the writer - keep in mind the entire world doesn’t use the US date format - that date could be November 6.
Look at this, I found an image of that Valerie, she played a part in a TV series named The Avengers in the UK in an episode from the 1962-1963 series:
The part she apparently played was Anna Rosas. If you click on that name on the page, it shows the photograph.
Just happened to notice in the book excerpt that Conein was like a consigliore for the Legendary Lansdale (of possible Three Tramps JFK assassination photo.)
Love the story about Lansdale punching Maysaysay in the face
and the quote of operating alone with as little interference as possible.
Lone Wolf and operator
flamboyant
not bound to higher authority
Why do these tangential people always seem to wrap around into the JFK assassination plot in some way or another...
Lansdale would have violated tradecraft if he allowed himself to be photographed with the Three Tramps...
Ahhh,..the good ole CIA....
Duly chastised. Apology submitted earlier for my error. Do I need a membership card to post on this thread?
I think your questions re the Search result has to do with the method. A PI input the name and the State. It’s the same method I might use in Australia if I was ‘skip-tracing’ - looking for a debtor, for example.
The organization providing the service keeps certain records, from numerous sources, and when a name and region is entered, up pops what the system has collected on any individual who matches the input by the searcher.
As I tried to explain, it’s not always accurate, the results rely on the INPUT - and what that Search showed was simply that a person with THAT name has a certain birthdate, has a certain address, is married to a certain person, comes from a certain country and is of a certain ethnicity etc...AND OF COURSE THE OBVIOUS - a mortgage.
NOW THINK OF THE QUERY INPUT by the PI. Nothing more than a name and STATE.
And the result?
It’s obviously a combination of the data the system has collected on TWO PEOPLE. But why would the data of TWO people become blended on the the result of the input enquiry?
The searcher’s ONLY INPUT was the name and the State of the last known residence. RIGHT?
SO SOMETHING CAUSED THE AMALGAMATION. AND THAT COULD ONLY BE BECAUSE EITHER THE NAME OR THE BIRTHDATE WERE THE SAME.
But notice, David...the birthdate wasn’t part of the searchers input. That date came as the result of the Search. So, you have to ask, who was born on that date? If that date belongs to the person from Equatorial Guinea, then it was probably he who was born in January 1961.
And his name is what caused the amalgamation. And that would only happen if the man from Equatorial Guinea had the name of the Search Query. I’m sure you will be able to set this out better than I could, but after a number of years of using a similar service, it’s just plain elementary to me.
I would look at that result and conclude that the person I was looking for came from Equatorial Guinea, married Michelle and bought a house in IL. And his birthdate was probably January 8, 1961...because that would be the date on his passport at entry.
It would take me a while to realize there was a glitch - but eventually it would dawn...what you see relates to two people...who both had a record in the same name.
The CAMBODIANA website has been up for years, there were a number of letters in praise of the kenyan - under a section with the heading REMENISCENCES - with photographs of the kenyan at a social event in the home of Arnold Nachmannof. One of the guests, sitting next to the kenyan student was identified as ANN/USA.
The letter I placed THE TEXT OF on this thread, was not part of the original webpage, it seems to have been added recently.
Just prior to the entire website being removed, it seems.
http://cambodiana.org/MainreasonsofmysupportofObama.aspx
No membership card required, I replied before I read to the end of the thread, my bad.
I think his books hold many, many insights to the personality, though there is strong speculation that he didn’t write them.
Cashill (IIRC) proved that Ayers wrote “Dreams” and there is other evidence as well. That book was written as pure propaganda to give a “life story” so he could run for president.
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