Skip to comments.Were Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Really Married?
Posted on 07/07/2012 9:26:47 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
In my previously published article "Secrets Revealed," I concluded that what President Obama is concealing on his genuine long-form birth certificate (not the digital PDF forgery released to the public) is that his mother signed her maiden name.
Personally, I think the preponderance of evidence shows that Obama's marriage to Ann Dunham was a legal contrivance that suited both their purposes -- Obama's as a means to maintain residency in the U.S. until he completed his studies, and Ann's (and maybe also her parents') to provide legitimacy to the baby's birth. In no way was this a meaningful marital relationship.
So were they really married? Yes, they went through the legal steps to become married. But because Obama the father was already married, the marriage wasn't legal -- and it certainly wasn't functional -- so they weren't really married in the way we understand marriage.
I know that my conclusion -- that Ann likely signed her maiden name to baby Barack's birth certificate because her marriage wasn't a real one, and that that's what's being hidden by the release of the "birth certificate" forgery -- is a huge disappointment to people who think that the president is hiding something much bigger -- like being born in Kenya. (Understandably, since releasing the digital PDF fake is a pretty big scam to cover up a pretty unimportant detail.)
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Along with that pattern is ALWAYS the threat to either take the child or kill the child.
Sven has indicated in his posts that 0 was made a ward of Catholic Services and his grandmother was appointed guardian. My dad worked with children in need of services for over forty years. He said to remove custody from the mother more had to be going on then just letting him travel without adult accompaniment.....Wonder if that is when he got the scar on his head. Is the scar mentioned in the book. It's a doosey! Thanks for your information...List of books to read is getting higher and higher.
We are expected to believe that the kenyan came to Hawaii around christmas 1971, zero was already at school in Hawaii as his teacher tells us; the kenyan gave a talk to the class while he was there. Maya, we are expected to believe was born in August 1970 according to the divorce document Dunham/Soetoro.
Did Maraniss have any idea what SAD was expected to do with her daughter? Leave her behind in Indonesia perhaps?
Maybe Maraniss might have benefitted from lurking on FR for a while before he wrote this nonsense...
With all the speculation why not throw in that Ann and Obama sr. were married in Kenya where multi wives are permitted. There are a lot of dots as to a Kenya connection. In all the speculation somethings appear to be surfacing, i.e. the mother was a slut and Obama was not born on USA territory among others.
Photographs and documents are ignored, direct questions are never answered, one can write an entire page outlining some of the perhaps known events, and it all falls on deaf ears...one turns to the next page, and there it is again...SAD was a communist at the age of seventeen, she was a girl totally without morals, she was attracted to black men forty or so years older than herself, she not only copulated with FMD, what about all those other men on the army base in Hawaii?
And all this for a girl who had NEVER BEEN SEEN in Hawaii! For whom there’s not a single sighting, not a single person has come forward and said they knew her, or attended classes with her or even shared an ice-cream with her or went to the beach with her...
And the only photograph of her on the beach in a bikini TURNS OUT TO BE A PHOTOGRAPH OF BARBARA BUSH WHEN SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG LADY!
I would laugh if it wasn’t so darn SAD.
Btw, when I first saw this image identified as SAD, I wrote to the website where it appeared and informed them WHO THE PHOTOGRAPH WAS AN IMAGE OF and although they did not apologize, they did at least have the grace to remove it. BUT THE STORY STILL LIVES. BARABARA BUSH IS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM!
Nah, Obama was an anchor baby for a man who wasn’t even his biological father. It was complicated by the fact that Obama, SR. was already married and the marriage wasn’t legal.
What about this evidence:
That image is ‘evidence’ only that at some time and in some place, a particular child was sitting on a fence while a woman who was probably Stanley Ann Dunham, held him.
It tells you nothing about where he came from, who his parents were, what his name was, when he was born or where he was born...
I doubt grandma Dunham knew that a girl of Stanley’s age was too young to confer American citizenship on her baby born in Canada, and anyway, they were not planning for Stanley ann to become a mother. She was to return home with no baby.
I am sure for YEARS baby Barack had no need of a BC. And then when it was time to travel to Indonesia, problems arose. They may have been desperate for Lolo to swear to Indonesia that this was his son, just to get him any travel docs at all. I bet if you are high up inindonesian society you can baksheesh your way to anything you want.
That’s my favorite theory...Stanley Armour knocked up some black prostitute and had to cover. It’s probably quite as simple as that not all this cloak and dagger stuff, but it makes for interesting reading. That’s why Madelyn didn’t want to be buried next to him.
If we only had DNA samples from George, Maya & Ø.
or adoption records- maybe sheriff joe will have some interesting news.. but i got a feeling its going to be something like that
Do you see the dark hued baby issuing from the birth canal?
Do you see the dark hued baby nursing from breast?
Do you see dark hued infant snuggled in her arms?
Then all the photo proves is that she is holding a child who looks to be no younger than 3 years old.
And btw - that is the earliest photo of 0bastard with her. Odd that there is not one single baby/infant/toddler photo of him with her. That is the youngest he appears with SAD. He’s older than 2 I would bet on it.
I think that they are going to find that the Dr. David Sinclair delivered Virginia S. and that the forgers used her birth certificate as the base for Obama’s. Changing information to match what Obama wants it to say.
Stanley Ann’s signature was cobbled together bits and pieces from other documents. So I speculate that she didn’t sign it as Ann Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham Obama because she never signed it at all.
That would mean there is no Hawaii birth certificate only what Obama or someone submitted much, much, much later trying to get a late certificate.
there are said to be photos of Ann Dunham on Waikiki Beach taken in or about July 1961, when she is supposed to have been in her third simester. and not pregnant— BUT, i havent seen them.. just rumors back around 08 i think.. but if i had to bet on it, i would say its true—Wolf Blitzer probally has it locked up with his BC...lol
Jack Cashill points out that Susan Blake originally told Michael Patrick Leahy of the Seattle Times in 2008 that Dunham was going to Kenya (with the 3 week old) not Cambridge to be with her husband.
Dunham didn’t seem to have a problem coming up with money to get around. Probably funded by her parents.
In April 2008, Botkin told the Seattle Times that Ann was excited about her husband’s plans to return not to Harvard, but to Kenya. Botkin said the same thing to writer Michael Patrick Leahy, who interviewed her early in the summer of 2008. Here, too, Botkin adds a clarifying detail: “[Dunham] left [Hawaii] just as soon she had clearance from her doctor to travel with her new baby.”
As Botkin acknowledged in several interviews, she never saw her friend again. The visit at Botkin’s mother’s house had to be in 1961, a year before Barack Sr. left for Harvard. Dunham arrived in Seattle in August 1961 and stayed for a year, enrolling at the University of Washington. Obama would not see Obama Sr. until he was ten.
Maraniss also appears to have overlooked an April 2008 article in the Seattle-Times, which reported, Susan Blake [Botkin], another high-school classmate, said that during a brief visit in 1961, Dunham was excited about her husband’s plans to return to Kenya. Note that the year was 1961, and the destination was Kenya.
Maraniss likewise missed a video interview with Botkin that had been posted online in which she specifically placed the date of Dunhams visit as an afternoon in 1961 when Barry was just a few weeks old. She even claims to have “changed Barry’s diaper and showed [Dunham] how to do it.”
On August 23, 2008, a day before the Maraniss article appeared, author Michael Patrick Leahy interviewed Botkin by phone for his 2008 book, What Does Barack Believe.
Again, Botkin placed the visit in late summer 1961. She left just as soon she had clearance from her doctor to travel with her new baby, Botkin said of Dunham. He was just 3 weeks old.
Another high school friend, Maxine Box, confirmed for Leahy what Botkin was saying. The year Dunham showed up in Seattle was 1961. The baby was a newborn. And Dunham was on her way to see her husband, but Box was not sure where. Both Botkin and Box told Leahy they never saw Dunham again.
On this point, Botkin was very specific. Leahy reports that
Botkin sent Dunham an invitation to her own 1964 wedding to her last known address in Hawaii, but it was returned with no known forwarding address.
Instead of the hard data confirming Dunhams presence in Seattle, Maraniss relied heavily on Susan Botkin and Maxine Box, but he either seriously misinterpreted their testimony or he massaged it to suit his own purposes.
As Maraniss acknowledged, Obama Sr. left Hawaii for the mainland and Harvard in June 1962, nearly a year after Barrys birth in August 1961. This much is true. According to Maraniss, there was an unresolved part of the story, namely whether Dunham tried to follow Obama Sr. to Cambridge.
Something happened in Cambridge, and Stanley Ann returned to Seattle. [Her friends] saw her a few more times, and they thought she even tried to enroll in classes at the University of Washington, before she packed up and returned to Hawaii.
Despite the fact that he was writing a lengthy biographical piece two months before the election, Maraniss made a hash of it. He has Ann following Obama Sr. to Harvard in the fall of 1961, but he did not enroll there until the fall of 1962.
By this time, too, Blake seems to have changed her story. She told Maraniss that Dunham was on her way to Cambridge, not Kenya, as she had told the Seattle Times months earlier.
Susan Blake’s story is a mess.
The only baby picture I’ve ever seen has little barry bastard commie looking like Frank Marshall Davis int he face. But is that picture also a photoshop? Disinformation is a strategy liars use ...
That stone box, BTW, has all the earmarks of a concrete product, albeit an as yet un-rediscovered concrete recipe.
If such photos existed, they would have been made public, as it would give proof of the myth. No photos, no proof, his life “story” is a myth.
It depends who has the pics, if they were to be made public.im just saying they could be, and if a loyal obot has daming info -they wont release it. im sure theres alot of stuff out there thats keep secret about baraq.. sheriff joe is bringing out new facts that wasnt made public..
I am just tired of hearing looney-toon idiot theories.
I think you've been inhaling too much smoke.
Thank you for your sanity! I was just tired of hearing that "there are no pregnant pictures of Stanley Ann" as though it were a huge and significant fact. It means nothing. Some people take pictures when they are pregnant, others don't. I don't know anyone in my family that has pictures while they were pregnant, so I couldn't understand why people kept repeating this as if it proved anything.
As I said, there are still Dunham family pictures that we have not yet seen. (You can see some of them on the video interview with Virginia Goeldner) There might actually BE pregnant pictures of Stanley Ann. The fact that we haven't seen any doesn't prove anything at all!
Of course, for what it's worth, we actually HAVE seen pictures of a pregnant Stanley Ann. Those Nude Photographs of her were taken AFTER she became pregnant, but of course she was not "showing" in any of those photographs.
I have to once more offer my admiration for your ability to find photos and information. You certainly have a talent for it.
It was clear they were hiding something when they hastily flew him to Hawaii and offed the grandmother during the election timing. Whatever the secret, she knew.
It is not unreasonable for people's recollections to have a few inconsistencies. An atheist I once argued with pointed out that the events described in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John don't quite jive with each other. He is correct. They don't. (I argued that since none of the apostles were present at the crucifixion, they got their information second hand from someone who was there. Had they been collaborating, there would be no inconsistencies between their accounts at all.)
The point is, inconsistencies are not unusual in people's recollection of events. In this case, there exists other information which reinforces what Susan Blake said. There is the University of Washington Records showing Ann Obama registered for school there. There is the Polk Directory showing her present there. There is the eyewitness accounts of Maxine Box and Mary Toutonghi. Suffice it to say, that enough evidence exists to require the burden of proof to be placed on any challenger to this account.
I have seen no credible challenge to the notion that Ann Obama/Dunham was in Seattle from August of 1961 through the summer of 1962.
I think the guy is pure evil. evil comes with a smile and lies.. “ If satan had a son”
I'm not the one posing fanciful theories backed up by nothing but fact free fruit loop speculation!
0bama-mama was a BDSM queen.
See post # 101. Pictures were vetted as being SAD. Taken at Frank Marshall Davis home, and circulated in girlie magazines. Plus there are many other pictures out there not in circulation, that were in those girlie magazines, not fit for publication. Your eyes are bad, and your brain is non-functioning.
You’re welcome. Sometimes I wonder if I have a shred of “sanity” left after these past few years. I used to think it was pertinent, too, the missing photos of her pregnant, until you said that about your family. Then I thought back. No photos of my mom pregnant with me, either, or most of my siblings.
Stanley Ann wasn’t particularly camera shy, if that is her in those nudie pics. She wouldn’t look her “best” pregnant. Could be she avoided the camera while pregnant. Come to think about it, she might be pregnant in that photo of her in the white dress, standing with Barack Sr. at the airport. That was supposed to be 1971; Maya was born 1970. But nothing they tell us is real, so maybe she was pregnant with Maya at the time, although she might be photoshopped into the picture in the first place.
I’ve read all the stuff and there is no “vetted” in it, it is various peoples’ speculation plus untruths, with no facts to back up any of it. Vetted my ***.
Wow. Barbara Bush was really gorgeous, wasn’t she? She almost looks like...dare I say it? A Kennedy.
Ha-ha, Liar! (Or senile.)
You really really need to read through the whole thread, instead of firing blanks into the air.
Sorry i missed that one fred= but ima stick to my story due to what the facts are until sheriff joe gives a update on new facts- the photo on the beach thing i just threw in there and not as FACT.(it never was fact).there really isnt alot of facts to go on, just a opinion is all.. hopefully more facts will come to light so we can all find out the real truth.. we all know he is a crook, and deciever, and a liar.. time will tell
“Odd that there is not one single baby/infant/toddler photo of him with her. “
Yeah, kind of funny not to see baby photos. What a weird family not to have baby photos with the mother or other family members.
So, you think there is a vast conspiracy. Could be true. Would like to see the hard evidence, perhaps to come out someday.
There is so much to question about this man who somehow got control of the presidency.
There is a photo of SAD with baby Maya, quite a doting picture.
Basically there is one reason “Dreams” was written - to make a fictional life story for 0bastard. Therefore everything in that book is not to be trusted unless independent verification can be found.
Oddly enough there is not one atom of verification that SAD ever set foot in HI until 1963. Or that she and the man known now as BHO2 had any connection until that photo on the fence. Or that SAD and the Kenyan were ever in each others’ presence until the Christmas time photos.
Once a person basically cleanses their mind of beliefs about what is true or not true about 0bastard and looks only at independently verified information, a whole ‘nother picture takes shape. Of course with many holes and empty spots. I spent a couple of years trying to force square pegs into round holes until reading the “Auntie” thread and then I realize that my beliefs about 0bastard’s parentage were totally wrong. My mind was changed not because of emotaion, but because of evidence.
Your post prompted me to ask a question:
How many other people have written memoirs BEFORE becoming well-known/public figures?
How about this:
How many other people have had their memoirs ghostwritten by a famous terrorist BEFORE becoming well-known/public figures?
We are expected to believe that the kenyan came to Hawaii around christmas 1971, zero was already at school in Hawaii as his teacher tells us; the kenyan gave a talk to the class while he was there.
This detail was in Obama's book, but the date seems to be off by how the story is told from the Kenyan half-sister's POV:
Auma told me: I was 12. He [Barack Sr.] was in hospital for a year, and Roy and I lived basically on our own. When he got out of hospital, he went to visit you, in Hawaii.
He told us that the two of you would be coming back with him and that then we would have a proper family. But you werent with him when he returned, and Roy and I were left to deal with him by ourselves.
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All I can attempt to add to that is...it seems the kenyan and Ruth separated after approx seven years, and that would take you to 1970/1971. Ruth arrived in Kenya in late 1964.
So, when Auma says she was twelve when the kenyan went to Hawaii that sounds reasonable.
Just what he might have told her, or if he told her anything at all, I have no idea.
I’m not even convinced he was married to Kezia.
He had an older brother - who seems to have been ‘lost’ for some reason. He might well have been Kezia’s husband.
Did anyone know the kenyan had an older brother named Yusuf?
“...Barack, Roy said happily, these are our uncles. This is Yusuf, he said, pointing to the slightly built man with a mustache. And this, he said, pointing to the larger, clean-shaven man, this is our fathers youngest brother, Sayid.