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Roberts Switched Views to Uphold Health Care Law (Original CBS Report)
CBS News ^ | Sunday, Juy 1, 2012 | Jan Crawford

Posted on 07/01/2012 12:16:38 PM PDT by kristinn

Chief Justice John Roberts initially sided with the Supreme Court's four conservative justices to strike down the heart of President Obama's health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, but later changed his position and formed an alliance with liberals to uphold the bulk of the law, according to two sources with specific knowledge of the deliberations.

Roberts then withstood a month-long, desperate campaign to bring him back to his original position, the sources said. Ironically, Justice Anthony Kennedy - believed by many conservatives to be the justice most likely to defect and vote for the law - led the effort to try to bring Roberts back to the fold....

But in this closely-watched case, word of Roberts' unusual shift has spread widely within the Court, and is known among law clerks, chambers' aides and secretaries. It also has stirred the ire of the conservative justices, who believed Roberts was standing with them.

After the historic oral arguments in March, the two knowledgeable sources said, Roberts and the four conservatives were poised to strike down at least the individual mandate. There were other issues being argued - severability and the Medicaid extension - but the mandate was the ballgame.

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It is not known why Roberts changed his view on the mandate and decided to uphold the law. At least one conservative justice tried to get him to explain it, but was unsatisfied with the response, according to a source with knowledge of the conversation.

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Roberts then engaged in his own lobbying effort - trying to persuade at least Justice Kennedy to join his decision so the Court would appear more united in the case. There was a fair amount of give-and-take with Kennedy and other justices, the sources said. One justice, a source said, described it as "arm-twisting."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


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To: gusopol3
Ninth paragraph in the Opinion...

Congress may also “lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States.” U. S. Const., Art. I, §8, cl. 1. Put simply, Congress may tax and spend. This grant gives the Federal Government considerable influence even in areas where it cannot directly regulate. The Federal Government may enact a tax on an activity that it cannot authorize, forbid, or otherwise control. See, e.g., License Tax Cases, 5 Wall. 462, 471 (1867). And in exercising its spending power, Congress may offer funds to the States, and may condition those offers on compliance with specified conditions. See, e.g., College Savings Bank v. Florida Prepaid Postsecondary Ed. Expense Bd., 527 U. S. 666, 686 (1999) . These offers may well induce the States to adopt policies that the Federal Government itself could not impose. See, e.g., South Dakota v. Dole, 483 U. S. 203–206 (1987) (conditioning federal highway funds on States raising their drinking age to 21).

261 posted on 07/01/2012 6:30:57 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: uncbob
Thing is the GOP had been arguing all along during the bill proceedings that is was a tax
Hmmmm...and the whole time the Democrats kept saying it wasn't. They still say it isn't even after the ruling says it is!

Only when it went before the Court then...wallah...the Dems say if the law is unconstitutional then as a last resort if it takes calling the individual mandate a tax then it's a tax.

Is it possible (gasp) that the GOP were the ones who got to Roberts?

Oh, my!
(hey, with all of the weirdness I've seen in the last few days this isn't all that weird)

262 posted on 07/01/2012 6:32:50 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: kristinn

Wake me up when the free people of this Nation are ready to secede.


263 posted on 07/01/2012 6:35:15 PM PDT by Pharsalus (Ceterum censeo, Sinis esse delendam)
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To: kristinn

I thought Kim Wong Ark was one of the worst SCOTUS cases..but I think this Health Care opinion may be right in the top 5.


264 posted on 07/01/2012 6:49:08 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Army Air Corps

“He was threatened.”

I hate to think this way, but it makes sense.

Either him, a family member, or blackmail of some sort.

At this point, I despise him and can’t imagine changing my opinion.


265 posted on 07/01/2012 7:04:27 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: piytar
That’s binding precedent now.

Nope. That was Robert's opinion, not the "court's."

Read Levin's take.

266 posted on 07/01/2012 7:07:11 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: Ken H

Thanks; I take it you don’t buy into his citing of precedent.


267 posted on 07/01/2012 7:13:26 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Jim Noble
That's what Mark Levin been trying to tell everyone.

This was a f*** up of epic proportions.

268 posted on 07/01/2012 7:20:27 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: kristinn

**Roberts Switched Views to Uphold Health Care Law**

No, I don’t believe that’s the reason he did it.


269 posted on 07/01/2012 7:42:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: butterdezillion
I cannot vouch for the veracity of what you write, but it could all be true.

The implementation of ObamaCare will be a death kneel to the US, but it will take many years to accomplish this. It is also possible that Bam has reduced his chances of reelection via this ruling. So if it is Soro’s plan to take down the US, wouldn't he want Bam to get reelected and doesn't this rule affect his chances unfavorably?

Are you suggesting Soro’s is the AC or a precursor to such?

Interesting stuff.

schu

270 posted on 07/01/2012 7:59:02 PM PDT by schu
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To: gusopol3
Madison on I.8.1:

A power to impose unlimited taxes for unlimited purposes could never have escaped the sagacity and jealousy which were awakened to the many inferior and minute powers which were criticised and combated in those public bodies.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_1s27.html

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Roberts on I.8.1:

The Federal Government may enact a tax on an activity that it cannot authorize, forbid, or otherwise control.

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Are those two views of I.8.1 consistent with each other, in your opinion?

271 posted on 07/01/2012 8:02:27 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: mkjessup
"Now you tell me, is another shoe about to drop?"

Keep an eye on July 17th.

272 posted on 07/01/2012 9:07:25 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: unixfox

at the minimum, a small little man who should have never been placed in the position he is....


273 posted on 07/01/2012 9:11:59 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Roberts is either a coward - he won’t risk himself or his family to cross the organized crime that now rules this country - or he is one of them who believes that America must become an enslaved nation.

Or both.

He is the single most revolting, despicable...evil public official in the history of this nation.

He is the antithesis of Sir Thomas Moore. He is the Rosenbergs cubed.


274 posted on 07/01/2012 9:17:54 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: CriticalJ

so he was threatened.....lots of people are threatened yet don’t devastate their own countries...and honorable men would do the right thing, take the whack, or commit harikari...


275 posted on 07/01/2012 9:25:08 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: helpfulresearcher
That's truly lame. You didn't open a single link, which is patently ridiculous (there's your hint).

You're not worth educating "researcher."

276 posted on 07/01/2012 9:28:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Covenantor

Wow, that pic is almost as gay as the one with Charlie Crist in the pool... which somehow has completely disappeared off the internet.


277 posted on 07/01/2012 9:57:25 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: avacado
Another lawsuit needs to be brought before the Supreme Court: Can the federal government tax a citizen for inactivity while giving waivers to others for the same inactivity?

Good point. Any comments from our legal people on this? Can this be pursued? Is this an "unlawful tax" as some have said? Discriminatory? Out of the SCOTUS purview? Has to be readjudicated by Congress as Obama and every dem spokesman all along has said it wasn't a Tax?

278 posted on 07/01/2012 10:06:18 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: hoosiermama; ladyL; 444Flyer; Yehuda
Did the judge just ask the US to divide the baby. Will the true mother of the child come forward? Will the country be saved?

If Roberts = Solomon, then here's the context:

1 Kings 11

4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.
9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,
10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.

That said, it would be well to consider another angle (if good may result), one that need not ascribe wisdom to Roberts' evil deed:

Gen 50

19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
21 Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.

The brothers weren't playing chess, they merely wanted to be rid of that annoying 17 YO dreamer who was their father's favorite son.

And we shall see what will become of his dreams...

279 posted on 07/01/2012 10:47:12 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Art in Idaho; TheOldLady; WildHighlander57; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; ...
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Another lawsuit needs to be brought before the Supreme Court: Can the federal government tax a citizen for inactivity while giving waivers to others for the same inactivity?

Good point. Any comments from our legal people on this? Can this be pursued? Is this an "unlawful tax" as some have said? Discriminatory? Out of the SCOTUS purview? Has to be readjudicated by Congress as Obama and every dem spokesman all along has said it wasn't a Tax?

. . . . Also check out # 257.

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280 posted on 07/01/2012 11:08:07 PM PDT by LucyT
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