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Are we sure that dad who beat his daughter’s molester to death was engaged in self-defense?
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Posted on 06/13/2012 5:25:29 PM PDT by chessplayer

Via the Blaze. Four words, my friends: Trial of the century.

"James Harrington, director of the Texas Civil Rights Project, an Austin-based nonprofit group, questioned the father’s decision to “summarily execute” the alleged molester without due process."

“Assuming it’s true that this guy was molesting the daughter, and we don’t know what exactly happened at this point, he would then have the right to defend [her], and hit him enough to have him stop,” Harrington told FoxNews.com. “But you cannot summarily execute him, even though I can understand the anger he would have.”

"Without specific knowledge of the case, Harrington said he was “surprised” that the girl’s father had not been already charged."

Harrington continued: “The question is: When does it move beyond self-defense?”

That’s what I was getting at in last night’s post about the difference between self-defense and punishment. Self-defense entitles you to neutralize your attacker; once he’s been neutralized, you’re not really defending yourself anymore, you’re just kicking the crap out of him. Imagine that the dad here saw his daughter being molested and knocked the guy unconscious with one right hook to the jaw. Boom — he’s neutralized. If he continues to beat him after that in a blind rage, that’s more like voluntary manslaughter than self-defense. More from the Christian Post:


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1 posted on 06/13/2012 5:25:34 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Something abut this story just doesn’t sound right.


2 posted on 06/13/2012 5:28:55 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: chessplayer
"Without specific knowledge of the case, Harrington said he was “surprised” that the girl’s father had not been already charged."

More anti-gun, Socialist claptrap. The S.O.B. doesn't know the facts, but is "surprised" the father has not been charged. Verdict first, facts never (believing is seeing)...standard leftist B.S.

3 posted on 06/13/2012 5:29:40 PM PDT by twister881
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To: chessplayer

I suppose you could stand there and berate the felled blighter to your heart’s content, while the police came. But even that’s risky, if there is a dispute about how the blighter was felled.


4 posted on 06/13/2012 5:29:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: chessplayer

TO: Texas Civil Rights Project

FROM: Me

Please fall off the face of the Earth ASAP.

P.S. Some people “need killin”. Toddler molesters are some of those people.


5 posted on 06/13/2012 5:29:58 PM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: chessplayer

No friggin’ way this guy is convicted.


6 posted on 06/13/2012 5:30:14 PM PDT by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: chessplayer

Was it self defense when the Fla cops shot the face eater?


7 posted on 06/13/2012 5:33:44 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: chessplayer

Pin a medal on the father’s chest, and send a message to would-be-child-molesters and rapists that this is the fate that awaits them.


8 posted on 06/13/2012 5:35:09 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: chessplayer

Sure sounds like this is speculation about a story that hasn’t even been revealed.


9 posted on 06/13/2012 5:36:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: chessplayer

It becomes a bit of a pragmatic issue. Leave the molester alive, and he sues. Or he molests again. Both kidnapping and offending little ones are capitol offenses in scripture.

I have many daughters. Were I to be in the jury on this case, I would find myself leaning hard in one direction.


10 posted on 06/13/2012 5:37:12 PM PDT by lurk
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To: chessplayer

He could claim temporary insanity. I know I’d have gone craze if it had happened to me.

Now, the question is was the girl examined and were there signs of a molestation? If yes, the man should be given a medal. If no, then the investigation must determine if there was a problem between the two men.


11 posted on 06/13/2012 5:39:01 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Grifin, FAMILY GUY)
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To: Terry Mross
Now, the question is was the girl examined and were there signs of a molestation? If yes, the man should be given a medal. If no, then the investigation must determine if there was a problem between the two men

Perhaps the father may have caught the dirtbag in the act (the guy fondling his daughter) but before “penetration.”

Should the father had waited for it to be “rape-rape?”

12 posted on 06/13/2012 5:42:40 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: chessplayer

The father’s immediate goal was, I assume, to have the molester stop, plus we can assume the father was angry beyond belief. I have read that if you hit someone in the head (whether with your fists or some object) hard enough to knock them out cold, you are running a risk of actually killing them. The father probably smacked him (with fists or object) until the guy stopped moving. And, oops, now the guy’s dead.

Given what the perp was doing, I am completely on the father’s side. I wish all molesters realized that their activities might end in summary death. I think there would be a lot less molestations everywhere if people thought they’d die from it.


13 posted on 06/13/2012 5:46:00 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: Krankor

If this guy WAS actually molesting the little girl, then the father did the right thing.

Of course, the question is: can that be objectively determined? Or are we just going on the Father’s word? If the latter, that raises some issues. For example, was it possible for the whole thing to be staged.....?


14 posted on 06/13/2012 5:46:23 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: chessplayer

If he had have had a gun in his hand at the time, and had seen the molestation and heard the screams as described he could have shot off every round in the weapon and have been justified right?


15 posted on 06/13/2012 5:46:41 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: chessplayer

The Christian Post, the Texas Civil Rights Project, and anyone who in any way feels this father should be charged for killing the scumbag who was molesting his daughter can kiss my lilly white a$$.

If that father had dragged the scumbag outside, strung him up by his balls and then left him to die slowly, I still wouldn’t charge him — in fact, I would award him at least 10% of the cost savings resulting from the fact they didn’t have to pay to incarcerate the bastard or try him.

If anything, this was homicide in the public interest.


16 posted on 06/13/2012 5:48:42 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Mathews

I totally agree. More dads only wish they had come up on their daughter’s molester. Wasn’t there even a case where the perp was being flown somewhere and the dad shot him at the airport and was freed by the jury


17 posted on 06/13/2012 5:54:11 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: CCGuy

To: Texas Civil Rights Project

From: Me

I

don’t

care.


18 posted on 06/13/2012 5:54:36 PM PDT by henkster (Wanted: Politicians willing to say "No" to people. No experience required.)
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To: lurk

“I have many daughters. Were I to be in the jury on this case, I would find myself leaning hard in one direction.”

I was called for jury duty in a date rape case. The defense attorney was questioning each prospective juror. When he learned that I have three daughters, was a former Marine captain and Vietnam vet he said, “You are dismissed”.

I wonder why?


19 posted on 06/13/2012 5:54:36 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: chessplayer

No matter how many variables, the best potential outcome in these cases is ALWAYS that the child-molester is removed from ever again walking the earth. A bullet, a bashed skull, throttled, whatever it takes. There is an innocent child out there in the future who will never know, but will be a most blessed beneficiary of such actions.


20 posted on 06/13/2012 5:55:51 PM PDT by greene66
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To: chessplayer

Bullsh1t, the pervert animal got what he deserved. These creeps that prey on innocent children need to be and should be eliminated altogether from society.

Be it execution deemed from the justice system or from a FATHER protecting his DAUGHTER.

There is no way in the world a jury in Shiner TX. is going to convict this case.

I would have done the same thing as the father did, I’m sure.


21 posted on 06/13/2012 5:56:53 PM PDT by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: chessplayer
Two words...
1) Temporary
2) Insanity

One word...
1) "Innocent"

22 posted on 06/13/2012 5:57:05 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: twister881
More anti-gun, Socialist claptrap.

Correction. More anti-fist, Socialist claptrap. :-)

23 posted on 06/13/2012 5:59:06 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: chessplayer
who said it was SELF defense? it was DAUGHTER defense!!!
24 posted on 06/13/2012 6:00:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lurk
Both kidnapping and offending little ones are capitol offenses in scripture.

Not if you're a muslim...

25 posted on 06/13/2012 6:00:38 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1240 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: rbg81

Everything seems just a bit too coincidental. I bet the cops are looking into his story. There’s always a lot of shady stuff going on with horse breeding- insurance scams etc. The father claims to vaguely know the guy. I wonder if they ever had any kind of business dealings. Or if the victim discovered something the father did regarding a horse. For some reason, this story just doesn’t set right for me.


26 posted on 06/13/2012 6:01:17 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Given what the perp was doing, I am completely on the father’s side. I wish all molesters realized that their activities might end in summary death. I think there would be a lot less molestations everywhere if people thought they’d die from it.

If only Mike McQueary had done the same as this dad when he saw Sandusky molesting that boy in the Penn State shower room.

27 posted on 06/13/2012 6:01:37 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: chessplayer

To quote the metal band, Iced Earth:

“Revenge is not justice, it’s “the reckoning”...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hJGuSb_Oqk

Apologies to anyone offended by the metallic style. This particular number is part of a great, patriotic album, “Glorious Burden”, a work that followed the rape of America on 9/11.

The sentiments seemed apropos of the man who beat this rapist scum to death.


28 posted on 06/13/2012 6:02:40 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: Krankor

It needs to be investigated..and speaking of that..do we have an ID yet on the dead perp? If not..why not? Somebody must know his name.


29 posted on 06/13/2012 6:04:44 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Krankor

“Or if the victim discovered something the father did regarding a horse. For some reason, this story just doesn’t set right for me.”

At what point in your life did a child molester become a victim?

I would be cool with using the term “the deceased”.


30 posted on 06/13/2012 6:05:00 PM PDT by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

So, what’s this legal expert’s view about, oh, say, pouring gasoline all over a drunk man and lighting it on fire?

Thanks chessplayer.


31 posted on 06/13/2012 6:06:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: chessplayer

Do we care???


32 posted on 06/13/2012 6:06:27 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

There was an 11 y.o. girl killed in a fight in California, by a punch to the head from another girl the same age. According to the investigators, she was not struck with unusual force, she did not hit her head on the ground. They did not charge the other girl - just a freak thing in a kids’ fight apparently.

Some people have congenital weaknesses in their blood vessels.

Now were there witnesses to what happened in this Texas case? Besides the father and the little girl?


33 posted on 06/13/2012 6:06:36 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Ronin
homicide in the public interest.

What an interesting concept. It made me get my cleaning gear out to clean the spewed beer off of the screen.

If ever confronted with a situation like the father faced, I may use that as a justification.

It works for me.

Much fancier way of saying 'he needed killin''.

/johnny

34 posted on 06/13/2012 6:08:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chessplayer

I would pay to get on this guys jury and say “Not Guilty”, and spit in Harrington’s face on the way out of court.


35 posted on 06/13/2012 6:08:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Krankor
Get back with us when you have some facts.

/johnny

36 posted on 06/13/2012 6:11:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chessplayer

Do you smell Eric Holder’s corrupt, foul-smelling behind trying to sneak into the fray?


37 posted on 06/13/2012 6:17:44 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Mathews

Correction. No friggin way charges will be filed


38 posted on 06/13/2012 6:18:22 PM PDT by Figment
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To: chessplayer

Assuming it’s true that this guy was molesting the daughter, and we don’t know what exactly happened at this point, the father certainly would then have the right and the obligation to defend the daughter, and hit the predator enough to have him stop - permanently. You certainly can summarily execute a predator who is harming your child.

The prosecution has an obligation to check the story that far and verify the alleged molestation. At that point, I’m okay with a substantial reward for the good Dad.


39 posted on 06/13/2012 6:19:06 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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To: Chode
who said it was SELF defense? it was DAUGHTER defense!!!

I was wondering how long it would take someone to mention that.

40 posted on 06/13/2012 6:19:20 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: chessplayer

Fk that. I don’t have an children but if I did....


41 posted on 06/13/2012 6:20:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: twister881
If the child had died; this Lawyer and his 'like-minded'; would not feel bad; if the Father lost his life in the scuffle; there would not be a 'second thought'. For neither of these; would they be worrying about 'Justice'.

The rub of the problem is that this man was a 'sexual pervert'; a CHILD molester*; kind of 'sweet' dream for many Libs; and so it is, in their minds; the perp himself is the only real victim here; and they are going to want more than a 'pound of flesh'.

Personally; would send the Father to 'anger management' classes; and leave it at that. As Judge; would include an admonishing reminder for the next perp; that people who decide to do 'horrid things to defenseless children'; ARE still taking a chance; that exactly what happened to this perverted thief of 'life'; could happen to them, should they 'go there'.

Sometimes Justice is swift and unplanned. These perps are the first to give Justice the invitation; they should not be surprised; should Justice answer; quickly and unexpectedly.

42 posted on 06/13/2012 6:22:18 PM PDT by cricket (Narcissism IS the 'heart' of Liberalism . . .)
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To: Krankor
...................There’s always a lot of shady stuff going on with horse breeding- insurance scams etc. ....................

And just what makes you think that? Associating with the wrong people?

43 posted on 06/13/2012 6:22:51 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: chessplayer

The vital information that is missing are details about the dead guy. At a particular point, the police have to identify him, and can no longer say they are trying to notify his relatives.

I can imagine some interesting bits if he was a Mexican national, working illegally.


44 posted on 06/13/2012 6:27:01 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Krankor

I read newspaper accounts of this story days ago in Texas newspapers and everything seems to be as stated. The perp came there with other folks who witnessed the ordeal. The police have investigated, the child went to the hospital. Nothing about the story to raise eyebrows


45 posted on 06/13/2012 6:27:53 PM PDT by Figment
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To: chessplayer

With no eye witness to dispute the father’s version of events, I vote acquittal.

Even if he tied the monster to the bumper of his truck and drove off into a pond, acquittal.

Any thing that gets sexual gratification from injuring a child deserves to die and in the most excruciatingly painful way possible.


46 posted on 06/13/2012 6:28:23 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (With (R)epublicans like these, who needs (D)emocrats?)
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To: Irish Eyes

Killing horses for insurance fraud is a big business in the U.S. I know about it because I read.


47 posted on 06/13/2012 6:29:24 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Oldexpat

It needs to be investigated..and speaking of that..do we have an ID yet on the dead perp? If not..why not? Somebody must know his name.

Trouble finding next of kin.Probably illegal alien


48 posted on 06/13/2012 6:30:06 PM PDT by Figment
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To: heartwood

Now were there witnesses to what happened in this Texas case? Besides the father and the little girl?

Yes there were. The perp came with others who witnessed the goings on. There was a story in the Houston Chronicle earlier this week with better details


49 posted on 06/13/2012 6:33:54 PM PDT by Figment
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To: rbg81

>>was it possible for the whole thing to be staged.....?<<

Well, I’m sure the four year old may be able to shed some light on this. Just the act of forcing the four year old back behind the barn, removing her under pants is all the evidence I’d need.

If I were that dad, I’d have beaten the guy just before death, revived him then beat him again until he passes out on deaths doorstep, then revive him once again and put a.45ACP slug right between his eyes....oh, right after I castrated the Meskin puke.


50 posted on 06/13/2012 6:36:18 PM PDT by servantboy777
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