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One downer on a good night: Wisconsin Dems possibly take senate
American Thinker ^ | 06/07/2012 | Rick Moran

Posted on 06/07/2012 6:38:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The only thing that went wrong last night was that Republicans possibly lost control of  the state senate.

JSOnline:

Democrats appeared to have assumed control of the state Senate with results posted early  Wednesday showing former Sen. John Lehman (D-Racine) defeating incumbent Van Wanggaard in a tight race.

Republicans held on to three other state Senate seats in Tuesday's recall voting. Democratic challengers lost recalls bids against Sens. Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) and Terry Moulton (R-Chippewa Falls.).

Rep. Jerry Petrowski (R-Stettin) was elected to fill the vacancy left by Sen. Pam Galloway (R-Wausau), who resigned earlier this year after opponents gathered enough signatures to initiate a recall election.

All eyes Wednesday will be on the 21st District. Results posted early Wednesday showed Lehman with 36,255 votes to 35,476 for Wanggaard with 100% of precincts reporting. The margin of 779 could bring a recount.


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: recall; senate; wisconsin

1 posted on 06/07/2012 6:38:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER:

* Even though it’s only 779 votes, the total number of votes cast - 71,700 - would indicate that it is unlikely a recount would change the outcome.

* It might not matter. There’s a pretty good chance the senate won’t even convene until after the November election.

* Number of recall races in 2011-12 (including governor): 15
Number of Democratic wins: 3


2 posted on 06/07/2012 6:40:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind
It doesn't matter.

The Wisconsin legislature will not reconvene until after the November election, when the GOP will pick up between two and five seats.

This guy will never be seated.

Plus, his district has been redistricted out.

His election means less than nothing.

3 posted on 06/07/2012 6:42:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Start a recall campaign against Lehman.


4 posted on 06/07/2012 6:49:03 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: SeekAndFind

As with a game of chess, the attempt to recall Walker was a risky gambit, the Democrats and unions overextending themselves and paying the price. But the end game will come in November.

The Republican effort should be to counterattack, targeting the weaker Democrat legislative seats. The Democrats tried, and failed, to get the Republican seats most at risk, so now the Democrat high risk seats are at risk, and the Republicans can focus their attacks on them.

In doing so, the Republicans may pick up solid majorities in both houses, and if they do, it’s payback time.


5 posted on 06/07/2012 6:49:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: SeekAndFind

Does this matter?

I thought the legislature had adjourned for the summer, and there will be an election before the reconviene in the fall in November??? So even if they have a 1 seat majority today, they can’t do anything with it since the election in Nov could completely change everything?

or am I incorrect?


6 posted on 06/07/2012 6:53:27 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Okay, thought that the congress had adjourned for summer and would not reconviene until after election.

Didn’t know the district had been completely redistricted out of existence too.

You are right, talk about your meaningless victory.. makes you wonder why anyone would even spend the energy or money to run.


7 posted on 06/07/2012 6:55:34 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SeekAndFind

Completely empty victory.

The Senate is out of session, and isn’t scheduled to be in session until after the next election.

They would only go into session if Walker called them, but he’s not going to start that rolling circus.


8 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:11 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: SeekAndFind

Completely empty victory.

The Senate is out of session, and isn’t scheduled to be in session until after the next election.

They would only go into session if Walker called them, but he’s not going to start that rolling circus.


9 posted on 06/07/2012 6:56:26 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: SeekAndFind

Congradulations Dimwits on your impressive win.

Otherwise, I was watching about 5 minutes of Fox the other night and I heard Judge Napolitano say that death treats on a political leader is protected speech. Does that include Obama?


10 posted on 06/07/2012 7:11:45 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: SeekAndFind

Congradulations Dimwits on your impressive win.

Otherwise, I was watching about 5 minutes of Fox the other night and I heard Judge Napolitano say that death treats on a political leader is protected speech. Does that include Obama?


11 posted on 06/07/2012 7:11:45 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: Leep

Napolitano jumped the shark long ago.

He is pro-homo based marriage. We can only hope he does not represent the judiciary.


12 posted on 06/07/2012 7:33:27 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are there any moderate/”Blue Dog” Democrats in the Wisconsin senate who will not necessarily always vote in lock step with the rest of the dems there? If so, I would hope that the results of the recall election will not be lost on them, and they’ll act accordingly. Just asking.


13 posted on 06/07/2012 7:44:26 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Fido969

Does he have to be sworn in?

Does he have access to offices and staff?


14 posted on 06/07/2012 7:47:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Leep
I heard Judge Napolitano say that death treats on a political leader is protected speech. Does that include Obama?

Apparently not, because Obama could never be defined as a "leader."

15 posted on 06/07/2012 7:55:28 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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If you throw a lot of mud against a wall, some of it will stick. The Democrats picked up seats this year and last year by having as many recall elections against Republicans as possible, only won a small number of the races, but those few mattered.

It is similar to the Gore 2000 strategy of only recounting votes in heavy Democrat Counties, knowing that whatever errors were made would be made more often by Democrat voters for the simple reason that there were a higher percentage of their voters in those selected counties than would be statewide.

Both are forms of manipulating the process by being selective of where you attack.

In the general election, they don’t get to be selective, and the GOP will pick up the Wisconsin Senate majority again when that election happens.


16 posted on 06/07/2012 8:16:57 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You are correct that the senate is unlikely to reconvee until January, by which time the GOP will have retaken the majority (with a pickup of at least 2 seats among the half of the senate seats up for election in November).

But it is not correct to say that the Democrat Lehman (assuming that his lead holds) will never be seated. He was elected to serve out the remainder of the term, which expires after the November 2014 elections. Whoever runs for the Republicans in that senate district in November 2014 (maybe a Wanggaard comeback) is sure to win, given that the district was redrawn to exclude the City of Racine and to replace it with heavily Republican rural and suburban precincts from Racine and Kenosha Counties, but Lehman will hold the seat until January 2015 .


17 posted on 06/07/2012 8:26:24 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“only 779 votes, the total number of votes cast - 71,700 - would indicate that it is unlikely a recount would change the outcome.”

These are provisional numbers, the official count may be closer- or further.

Though it may be an empty victory for the Dems, the national unions still show their power to remove local politicians who don’t bow to them.


18 posted on 06/07/2012 8:27:04 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

EPU...
This is why I read FR!
Somebody’s always got the straight info...
Thanks...


19 posted on 06/07/2012 9:33:21 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Leep
Otherwise, I was watching about 5 minutes of Fox the other night and I heard Judge Napolitano say that death treats on a political leader is protected speech.

Well then, he should make one against the prez to test his theory. We'll all just sit back with our popcorn and watch. I'm hoping that you heard wrong because that's a really stupid thing to say on TV.

Tons of idiots out there that believe everything they hear on TV.

20 posted on 06/07/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: matginzac
addendum
21 posted on 06/07/2012 9:46:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

They could run a recall election against him in 1 year, and with the new district drawing, they could easily beat him.

Of course, that assumes a judge doesn’t force them to run the recall using the old maps.

Map changes for staggered elections are strange, because it means some people don’t get to vote at all, and others get to vote for their new representative while another representative they voted for remains in office.


22 posted on 06/07/2012 10:54:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; GOPsterinMA; unkus; BillyBoy; Coop; kalt

“They could run a recall election against him in 1 year, and with the new district drawing, they could easily beat him.”


Yes, of course. But isn’t the constitutional rule that one may not start gathering signatures for a recall until one year has passed since the person’s term began? Lehman’s term presumably will begin when he is declared the winner in a final and unappealable judgment, or maybe when his credentials are accepted by the Senate (I’m not sure). If it’s the former, one wouldn’t be able to commence gathering signatures for his recall until June 2013 at the earliest; given that it takes a few months for the recall process to play itself out (what with signature certification, the primary and all), the recall election and swearing in wouldn’t take place until January of 2014 at the earliest; would the GOP really go through with that just to have a 5-vote majority instead of a 19-14 majority instead of an 18-15 majority for a single year? And if the start date is deemed to be when Lehman has his credentials accepted by the Senate, that means that they might not be able to start gathering signatures until January 2014, and the new senator wouldn’t take office at all (since the recall election wouldn’t be held until the senate had adjourned for the year prior to the November 2014 general election, when the seat would be up). So I seriously doubt that the GOP will risk the negative publicity of a recall election for such a limited benefit.

“Of course, that assumes a judge doesn’t force them to run the recall using the old maps.”


That’s certainly an open question. When the GOP legislature approved the law adopting the new redistricting maps, it unfortunately provided that the new maps would not be used until the next general election. Had the law stated that they would apply for any election for offices with a term that would extend beyond January 2, 2013, and had such clause been deemed constitutional (which I don’t see why it wouldn’t), then the Wanggaard recall would have had to be held under the SD’s new (overwhelmingly Republican) lines, and the Democrats wouldn’t even have bothered. But with the way the law is written, you’re right, maybe a judge would rule that the new maps can’t be used until the election for the term commencing January 2015.

“Map changes for staggered elections are strange, because it means some people don’t get to vote at all, and others get to vote for their new representative while another representative they voted for remains in office.”


I am of the belief that not requiring all districts to hold elections after decennial redistricting violates the principle of one-man, one-vote and the voting rights of the persons who were moved from a district that last held an election in 2008 to one whose next election won’t be until 2014.

Additionally, the ability to renumber districts during redistricting, combined with the staggered elections, would have allowed the legislature to declare, for example, that the SD-22 that is up in 2012 (represented by Robert Wirch) now comprised the rural and suburban areas in Racine and Kenosha Counties, which would result in the GOP picking up the seat in 2012, while allowing Wanggaard to stay until 2014 as senator of an SD-21 that would include urban Racine and Kenosha (and which would vote him out in 2014, but not until the GOP held both Racine/Kenosha seats for two years).

WI should amend its constitution so that, like other states with staggered senate elections, districts that aren’t up for a four-year term in the election following redistricting have to hold an election for a two-year term that would place the seat back on its normal schedule. So, for example, the SD-21, which held its last election in 2010, would hold an election for a two-year term in 2012 (which would allow it to hold an election for a four-year term in 2014, 2018, 2022, etc.), while the SD-22, which last had an election in 2008, would hold a regular election for a four-year term in 2012 (and then would hold elections for four-year terms in 2016 and 2020, but, after the lines are redraewn again, would hold an election for a two-year term in 2022).


23 posted on 06/07/2012 12:09:24 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; CharlesWayneCT; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy

I’d try to recall any rat in 2014 seat we could beat as soon as it was possible unless the rats and unions swore on their children’s lives that they were done trying to recall our people.

I’m not known for tact.

Amend the WI constitution as you said plus abolish recalls!


24 posted on 06/07/2012 7:05:02 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy; AuH2ORepublican; CharlesWayneCT; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; unkus

I’m with you 1,000,000%!

Destroy EVERY RAT in EVERY OFFICE at EVERY LEVEL!!!

Enough being civil.

Like Japan: They started, we’ll finish.


25 posted on 06/07/2012 7:13:26 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (We may die, but DISCO LIVES FOREVER!!!)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I’m with you 1,000,000%!

Destroy EVERY RAT in EVERY OFFICE at EVERY LEVEL!!!

Enough being civil.


As in going absoulutely Medieval on them.


26 posted on 06/07/2012 7:20:06 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

“As in going absoulutely Medieval on them.”

I vote “YES” on that!!!


27 posted on 06/07/2012 7:24:23 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (We may die, but DISCO LIVES FOREVER!!!)
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