Note the headband...
Posted on 05/30/2012 5:51:03 PM PDT by SJackson
JERUSALEM, May 30 (Xinhua) -- Geneticists at an Israeli hospital said they have found a unique Jewish genetic mutation among an American Indian tribe, indicating that they are descendants of Jews expelled from Spain 600 years ago, local Haaretz daily reported on Wednesday.
The findings of the study, conducted at the Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv, show that a group of Indians from the State of Colorado bear the so-called "Ashkenazi mutation," on the BRCA1 gene - a marker unique to European Jews.
While such so-called "secret Jews," or "Anusim" in Hebrew, whose families assimilated into various north and south American cultures hundreds of years ago after journeying to the New World are more and more known, this is the first time an Indian tribe has shown the gene.
Those Jews were believed to be descendants of a Jewish man who left Europe and settled in south America about 600 years ago - likely among the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled by Spain in 1492, and possibly among those who sailed with Christopher Columbus, according to the report, which appears in the European Journal of Human Genetics.
Perhaps, but not from 2600 years ago, as claimed by Joseph Smith.
Fortunately, 80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are Ashkenazi.
Did Calypso Louie’s head explode?
That is kind of interesting. Although a recent family tree show did a special on people of Latin ancestry and found some of the early Spanish Conquistadors were families with recent Jewish ties who had fled the Spanish Inquisition (1478 to 1834).
Note the headband...
Collaborators, huh?
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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I look forward to the first Blazing Saddles Jewish Indian chief post, but will post an actual Jewish Chief first, of the Acoma Pueblo. Second from the left.
That was the day Columbus The Ninth of Av of the year 1492
was the date designated for all Jews
of Spain to leave.
set sail for the new world.
The Spanish conquistadors could have included soldiers descended from Spanish Jews. They could have impregnated Indians in the southwest.
Occam’s Razor and all that
Here comes the BS about a single gene that can actually be found in other places around the world but is largely insignificant.
But that won’t stop the LDS’rs from saying “There’s proof! We existed before on North America”.
No, there isn’t. You made a conscious decision to follow a religion and it has zip, nada and nothing to do with bloodline.
I’ve seen a report like this a couple times a year for the last 5 years.
Bunk...
A lot of Spanish Jews ended up in the New World (since the Old World wasn’t too hospitable for them). Many of the first settlers in Columbia were of Jewish descent; and as many as 25% of the first Spanish settlers in Mexico City (once it got rebuilt) were of Jewish descent.
If you were of Jewish descent (even if you were a practicing Catholic), and Spanish, there were not a lot of places to go; and the New World looked pretty good.
A great many, beginning with Columbus' first voyage, sailing delayed by a day due to a jammed harbor caused by the expulsion. However mostly South America and the Carribean. A total stray aside, the first Jewish immigrants are usually dated to 1654 in New Amsterdam. Fleeing Brazil. I guess that's enough time to father a tribe, but imo not likely.
Interesting topic. Crazy title, which I guess is what sells books, but Jewish Pirates of the Caribbean, a couple years old, is a pretty interesting history of post Inquisition Jewish trade routes in the Mediterrean and Carribean/South America. A little bit about pirates too.
I would correct that to say "a Jewish man with an overabundance of MOJO" ;-)
I could be mistaken, but I believe he didn’t leave till the 10th due to harbor congestion. The 9th was the planned departure.
Without question.
Elizabeth Warren claims shwe is part Jewish Indian.
Well, you're probably right, but thanks for killing my vision of building a casino.
All nonsense. The Jews expelled from Spain were Sephardim, the Ashkenasi lived in Russia and Eastern Europe.
So why did so many of these vote for 'bam?
An inconvenient truth which shouldn’t interfere with an entertaining thread. More likely an Ashkenasi hooked a ride with the Vikings.
Again, the Jews of Spain were Sephardic, so their descendants wouldnt have Askenasi genes.
Should have invented steel smelting, the wheel and the gun.
You coulduh done just about anything you wanted.
You do have two thumbs which is an advantage over every other life form...
So it turns out after all that Elizabeth Warren is in fact part Cherokee!
IQ has nothing to do with common sense.
I have a friend who converted to Judaism after her family had been Catholic for generations and hundreds of years.
They traced her lineage and she was able to convert in some short hand method instead of doing the whole Shiksa to JAP thing.
She tells the Joke:
“When I was Catholic I had fake jewelry and real orgasms.
Now I have fake orgasms and real jewelry”.
Who knew?(shrugs shoulders, makes neck disappear)
It does pose a link to the new world. That is my understanding as well.
The bulk of Spanish Jews were Sephardim but there was certainly trade and other contact among the Jews of Spain and the Jews of central Europe. It is an impossibility that there was no mixing among groups.
Fortunately, 80% of the Jewish immigrants to the USA are Ashkenazi.
...But it's the Sephardim, especially the Mizrahim, that are the furious fighters. I'm an expert on the subject, I'm married to one.
ping.
A good point, but not a foolproof one. There was significant contact back and forth, they aren't hermetically sealed groups.
I'd like to see the source though, Xinhua is only slightly more reliable than Debka.
...and 80% voting demorats...:-)
Actually, they may as well have been. The families did not intermarry back then. Furthermore, the Askenasi were originally Khazars who converted to Judaism circa 1200 A.D. - no connection to Israel.
My name is Tonto. Tonto Goldstein.
So it's logical that Jewish Conversos would have been among the first to seize an opportunity to leave Old Spain for New Spain starting in the middle and latter half of the sixteenth century. Their only alternatives would have been tiny but tolerant Holland or continued dhimmitude in Muslim North Africa and the Ottoman Empire. Jews were not allowed back into Britain till after Cromwell took power in the 1600's.
My old Jewish pal was a heavy drinker. Must of been his Injun blood, blood!
Hah. I was about to post that one.
> “The Jews expelled from Spain were Sephardim, the Ashkenasi lived in Russia and Eastern Europe.”
Yes, I was puzzled that they’d mention the Ashkenazi mutation when the Spanish Jews were Sephardic. Also the article says “likely among the hundreds of thousands of Jews expelled by Spain in 1492”, but if they were “expelled”, they were neither converts nor secret Jews pretending to be Christians, neither of which were expelled.
Certainly some secret Jews might have come to the Spanish colonies, but the article says “such so-called ‘secret Jews,’ or ‘Anusim’ in Hebrew”, seemingly assuming that persons with that genetic marker must be part of that group. There’s no way, though, that genetics can distinguish between descendants of secret Jews and descendants of actual converts.
Casinos in Israel?
Sounds like those ladies got mighty busy.
*shrug* I’ve worn out the Schmohawk joke.
With leaky breastesess.
I’ll add that using the word ‘Ashkenazim’ for Northern and Eastern European Jews and ‘Sephardim’ for Jews from Spain is separate from the idea that the Ashkenazim aren’t really descendants of persons from Israel. Ordinarily they are just considered two different groups who have ancestral connections with Israel (and that’s what I was agreeing to, not to theories about the Khazars).
So these Injuns are real MOT!!! Members of the Tribe.
"No, no, zayt nisht meshuge!"
I dunno - do they buy retail? ;^)
Understood. There are some differences in traditions of worship between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but neither one is more or less Jewish than the other.
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