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Trayvon Martin case 911 call: Two experts reach two very different conclusions
Wash Post ^ | 19 May 2012 | Stephanie McCrummen and Sari Horwitz

Posted on 05/20/2012 8:03:18 AM PDT by ironman

Expert No. 1

One of those experts is Alan R. Reich, and his answer is that he is certain he can hear a young man he concludes is Martin pleading for his life, from the start of the 45-second recording until the end.

Expert No. 2

Another way to consider the 45-second recording is the way James J. Ryan considers it.

Ryan is the retired head of the FBI forensic audio, video and image analysis unit. He said even the best audio forensic expert in the world using the most sophisticated equipment available would have a difficult time determining much at all from a recording of such degraded quality.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; saintskittles; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
1200+ comments already
1 posted on 05/20/2012 8:03:25 AM PDT by ironman
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To: ironman
When I hear the tape, I hear someone in the background say, "My name is Trayvon Martin, and I'm gonna git you sucka!"

And that is my expert opinion.

2 posted on 05/20/2012 8:06:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: ironman

Is anyone keeping a Trayvon count as in how many thugs get Trayvoned each day?


3 posted on 05/20/2012 8:14:14 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: ironman

Not enough proof for any conviction. IMO


4 posted on 05/20/2012 8:15:55 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Criminaliens or Crimigrants...0bamao's people?)
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To: ironman

A whisper to the Post: This is what is called “reasonable doubt”.

I wish they’d stop pretending (in many cases, not just this one) that if one expert says one thing and another expert says the opposite, then the opinions cancel out, instead of the seemingly fruitless duel being in fact very helpful to the defendant.


5 posted on 05/20/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d guess the guy yelling “Stop” was probably the same guy who was getting his head bashed in.


6 posted on 05/20/2012 8:23:44 AM PDT by Salamander (Holy muscle of love.....I got a muscle of love.)
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To: ironman

Reich is either a whack job or a far left ideologue letting his political beliefs cloud his reason. Either way I doubt if any judge would allow his monstrously manipulated recordings be admitted as evidence.

I mean, come on, he found all of this in a sound file DOWNLOADED from the Internet? He’s driven by ideology to do his part to support the MSM’s, and Martin’s parents, fictional version of events.


7 posted on 05/20/2012 8:24:02 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: ironman

Word is the prosecution intends to call one of Florida's finest experts to get the answers directly from Trayvon himself ... just as you Silly Freepers thought the case against Zimmerman couldn't get any more ridiculous!

8 posted on 05/20/2012 8:24:36 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama loves to wok dogs)
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To: ironman
“Most trial lawyers believe, and most psychologists who study the way that people process information believe, that once people interpret something in a certain way, once they begin to believe something, they become committed to that,” he said. “And if they become committed, it’s hard to change their minds.” Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos
9 posted on 05/20/2012 8:27:06 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: ironman
the mutts own father said it's NOT No-Limit-XXXXXX
10 posted on 05/20/2012 8:27:19 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ironman

I think the important thing that nobody seems to point out in any of these types of stories is - why would Trayvon have been screaming? Since he had no physical injuries other than the gunshot would and a scrape on his finger (in other words, Zimmerman never hit Trayvon - all the pre-shooting damage was inflicted BY Trayvon against Zimmerman), the only plausible explanation would be that Zimmerman was holding him at gunpoint, and Trayvon was so fearful of being executed that he was screaming for help.

That fails, though, first because I don’t think a normal reaction to being held at gunpoint is to scream for help like that. I think you’d shut up and do whatever the guy told you to do. More importantly, it fails because it is contradicted by eyewitness testimony. Nobody claimed to see anything like this, and John told police that Zimmerman was on the ground being beaten.


11 posted on 05/20/2012 8:34:34 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Chode

Yeah but he took it back when BabyMomma and their scumbag lawyer started explaining the economics of the situation,”Yo, you needs to STFU foo, we’s gonna be rich if we plays dis right”.


12 posted on 05/20/2012 8:35:19 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: MtBaldy
yo...
13 posted on 05/20/2012 8:42:44 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ironman

OK, so Martin is straddling Zimmerman rearranging his face and slamming his head into the concrete and we’re supposed to believe Martin is screaming for help?

What kind of help was he screaming for? Was he tired and needed someone to help him continue assault Zimmerman?


14 posted on 05/20/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

Actually, TM was a well mannered little chap, and generous to others. He was having a grand ol’ time, and wanted to share his experience of bashing a guy into the curb with other like minded well mannered little chaps.


15 posted on 05/20/2012 9:01:05 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: umgud

If the words on the tape are:
“Someone come help me beat down this MF White Hispanic”, then it is Trayvon...that is my contribution to the Alan R. Reich analysis.


16 posted on 05/20/2012 9:13:12 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern Union Whites died between 1861-65 to free the slaves. Memorial Day.)
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To: umgud

Of course it all makes sense! Tayvon’s kiai sounds just like “help!” /s


17 posted on 05/20/2012 9:14:05 AM PDT by ironman
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To: C210N
and wanted to share his experience of bashing a guy into the curb with other like minded well mannered little chaps.


18 posted on 05/20/2012 9:14:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ironman

Zimmerman is clearly guilty: he’s white.

We all know white men are dangerous and judge others by skin color.


19 posted on 05/20/2012 9:20:41 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: RightFighter
IIRC, Z told the Sanford police something like (paraphrase)..”I cried out for help but nobody came to help me.”
20 posted on 05/20/2012 9:39:11 AM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: JPG

My recollection, too. All that means is that the Florida Special Prosecutor can add another charge to the 2nd Degree Murder Charge....A CHARGE OF RACIST PLAGIARISM!


21 posted on 05/20/2012 9:45:02 AM PDT by BilLies (330,000 northern Union Whites died between 1861-65 to free the slaves. Memorial Day.)
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To: BilLies

Wasn’t it later in the evening? Probably should charge Z with disturbing the peace as well... yelling and screaming with decent folk trying to go to sleep for the night. And then the blast of a handgun... shattering the peace and quite of all the neighbors.


22 posted on 05/20/2012 10:10:46 AM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Salamander

Martin: STOP hitting yourself....STOP hitting yourself


23 posted on 05/20/2012 10:35:06 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy.)
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To: umgud
The closeup pictures of Zimmerman show he had lumps on the back of his head as well as cuts. It is more proof that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pummeling him with punches. Only an over educated academic with no common sense would say Martin was crying for help while smashing Zimmerman's face and head into the ground.
24 posted on 05/20/2012 10:45:51 AM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: peeps36

A family member already said it is NOT Trayvon yelling for help.


25 posted on 05/20/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: RightFighter
I think the important thing that nobody seems to point out in any of these types of stories is - why would Trayvon have been screaming? Since he had no physical injuries other than the gunshot would and a scrape on his finger

Now, now, you know it was T-Ray hollering for help when he happened up that crazy white hispanic bashing his own head on the sidewalk. Poor kid was yelling for someone to please help him hold the guy's head off the cement.

26 posted on 05/20/2012 10:56:58 AM PDT by bgill
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To: eyedigress

If the truth be known, Zimmerman exercized a lot of control and restraint yelling for help and waiting for someone to help him before shooting Trayvon. If you feel your life is in danger, you do not need to be getting your head pounded into pavement before shooting the person in self defense.


27 posted on 05/20/2012 11:45:19 AM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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To: Salamander

Along the same lines, I’m thinking the guy who yelled, “What the F_” was interrupted by a fist breaking his nose.


28 posted on 05/20/2012 12:14:58 PM PDT by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: peeps36

Come on, no one, not even the die hardest libs beleives Zimmerman just cold blooded shot Martin. Any jury will roll their eyes the whole damn trial and NOT GUILTY him within 5 minutes, if it actually ever gets to court. Its just a convienent opportunity to pull the race card and have it drug out from now until election day.

If this “opportunity” had not come along they would just use the next or the next.


29 posted on 05/20/2012 12:58:59 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: ironman

If this sorry case ever goes to trial, I would assume that jurors will ignore the tapes and the experts opinions based on the fact that the recordings are practically unintelligible and the ‘experts’ can’t agree on their content.


30 posted on 05/20/2012 1:40:54 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: eyedigress

Martin’s father said this to the police at the beginning of the first investigation and it’s been documented. Later after the hustlers got involved Martin’s parents said it was him.
lol


31 posted on 05/20/2012 1:54:00 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: ironman

What a surprise, more pablum from the WaPo propagandists.

FACTS:

Martin was a self described “Thug” with behavioral problems.
Martin was on suspension for drug use.
Martin had illegal drugs in his system.
Martin was in a gated community in which he did not reside.
Martin beat Zimmerman.
Zimmerman lived in the neighborhood.
Zimmerman was on neighborhood patrol because of a rash of break-ins.
Zimmerman was legally armed.
Zimmerman called the police.
Zimmerman followed so that police could find Martin.
Zimmerman was told that police “did not need” him to follow Martin, not an order.

MEDIA COMPLICITY:

Mainstream media did not reveal all of the facts for weeks. Race baiters Al Sharpton and Jesse “mumbles” Jackson stirred up anger within the black community with no evidence.
Trumped up racism charges based on NOTHING.
Rags like this cater to the idiocy of black stereotypes by giving a forum to fools that when Zimmerman is acquitted, will destroy their OWN neighborhoods just to show “the man”. They have already convicted Zimmerman of murder and will hear no evidence to the contrary. THAT is the true story of racism; reverse racism by the black community looking for excuses for the actions of black youth.


32 posted on 05/20/2012 2:00:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: ironman; Matchett-PI; mickie; flaglady47
The article says that audio expert Alan Reich states it's Trayvon screaming on the tape.

Unfortunately, there's too many dumbasses in the news today named Reichhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-uh.

Leni

33 posted on 05/20/2012 2:01:07 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: snarkytart

Yep. Thanks for responding. The court of public opinion is wide open. The truth will bury the DA.


34 posted on 05/20/2012 2:22:51 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: snarkytart

Note how Mara asked the detectivve if Zim made his statements before knowing what other evidence was out there. I suspect he is setting up a contrast to what DeeDee and Martin Sr. did.


35 posted on 05/20/2012 10:13:39 PM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: ironman

“The dispatcher told him to stop”

Is it to much to ask that the WP not publish lies?
He was NEVER TOLD TO STOP.
What the hell is wrong with these people?


36 posted on 05/20/2012 10:46:37 PM PDT by kanawa
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