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The ‘bribe’ to silence Wright [Obama’s team tried to buy his silence]
New York Post ^ | MAY 12, 2012 | New York Post

Posted on 05/13/2012 5:11:14 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Edited on 05/13/2012 7:48:19 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

When sermons of Obama’s Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, surfaced during the Iowa primaries, it threatened to derail Obama’s campaign. ABC aired one where Wright screamed, “Goddamn America!” Edward Klein interviewed Wright, who told him Obama’s team tried to buy his silence.

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To: butterdezillion
See post 62 at ; the last link in that post is about the financial ties with Soros).

Thanks, FRiend. I'll take a look when I have more time. Gotta go to the doc now.

101 posted on 05/14/2012 6:14:44 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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Yep. Thanks for the documentation. That also shows why the gay agenda, abortion, pornography, drugs, etc all have to be part of the communist agenda: the rival to the government as provider for everybody is the paradigm of the FAMILY as the basic unit of society. So the communists have to support anything that will cause the family to fail.

Promiscuity breaks down families so anything that enables promiscuity will be supported by the communists. That includes free birth control, abortion and infanticide, no-fault divorce, welfare that makes husbands unnecessary as providers and allows the Black culture to be hip-hop thugs who father babies they don’t even know about and never bother to support because welfare will support them, pornography, mandatory sex ed that uses Planned Parenthood propaganda, etc.

The gay agenda is to get rid of any distinction between male and female, which are both necessary for stable families and stable kids. Dealing with the other gender requires self-sacrifice and growth, which is a totally different focus than two men or two women “loving” each other because it serves their perceived needs/desires. God knows that, which is why it takes male and female to create life and takes male and female to make a marriage. Communism doesn’t want either life or marriage because they interfere with their ability to control everything. So the gay agenda will always be part of the plan to subvert a free nation.

Drugs tear families apart. A person dependent on drugs can easily be controlled, and they don’t provide for their families. They will do whatever feels good, and stuff like meth causes sexualization so severe that parents will rape their own children under the influence of the drug. That will tear families apart. So the communists have to support drugs. That includes supporting the people who provide drugs, such as the Mexican drug cartels that Eric Holder is supplying weapons to...

Everything that is bad in the world is what communism and Islamism support. And those planks are what the democratic party has long supported. They’ve largely been able to do it through the support of Blacks, who believe those planks (particularly the government taking over the role of the family) are actually Christian (reminds me of Margaret Sanger saying that they could get Blacks to exterminate themselves by having some charismatic Black preacher tell them that abortion is a gift to them...) and by Catholics who believe they are being “nice” by supporting the very things that break up the family and replace the real God with government.

So it all makes sense. It is a systematic dismantling of everything that has made America great and able to function as a free society. Our Founders said that it takes a moral people to successfully implement a democratic form of government and that once the government was able to redistribute wealth it would become a free-for-all where the unscrupulous would take over the feeding trough. And we’ve seen that come to pass, through a systematic demoralization process.

Yuri Bezmenov described the process in detail, and how it relied on getting powerful, ruthless, amoral people with lots of power:

“Most of the activity of the department was to compile huge amount, volume of information on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion. Publishers, editors, journalists, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of Parliament uh, of pre, eh, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in two groups. Those who would toe the Soviet foreign policy. They would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation. Those who refused the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically come revolution...

This was my instruction: Try to get into large circulation, established, conservative media. Rich, filthy rich movie makers. Intellectuals. So-called “academic circles”. Cynical, eccentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie. This are the most recruitable people, people who lack moral principles, who are either too greedy or too, suffer from self-importance. They feel that they matter a lot. This is all the people who KGB wanted very much to recruit.”

If people had any idea how systematic, determined, and patient our enemies are - both communists and Islamists - or how they have united, they would have the pants scared right off of them. Instead, the boa will strangle them before they even have any clue that boas even exist. We’re too busy living our lives as if there was actually somebody paid to look out for us. There isn’t. We are it. If we are not protecting ourselves, we are defenseless. The systems are all sold out to corruption and utter lawlessness.

102 posted on 05/14/2012 6:21:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rawcatslyentist
To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Do you REALLY think Mittens is gonna save us? He's no different politically than the usurper. They both vote lockstep.

I'm sure Göring would have been better than Adolph too.

A vote for a nazi is still a vote for a nazi!

I don't know if Mittens would save us, but....

....IN THE MEANTIME, you seem to have taken a (Alinsky-like) page right out of the Leftist playbook.... that while you DARE compare Mitt to a "Nazi" you (and YOUR ILK) refuse to provide even ONE shred of EVIDENCE which would "INDICATE" that Romney has a propesnsity or proclivity towards that which we KNOW, Obama has (as evidence abounds) and that is the DESTRUCTION of our Republic.


CHALLENGE EXTENDED to you and anyone else who wants to jump in.

Ball's (if y'all have any) is in your court!!!

103 posted on 05/14/2012 6:23:44 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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JOSE DIAZ-BALART, TELEMUNDO NETWORK: "Liberation theology in Nicaragua in the mid-1980's was a pro-Sandinista, pro-Marxist, anti-U.S., anti-Catholic Church movement. That's it. No ifs, ands, or buts. His church apparently supported, in the mid-'80s in Nicaragua, groups that supported the Sandinista dictatorships and that were opposed to the Contras whose reason for being was calling for elections. That's all I know. I was there.

I saw the churches in Nicaragua that he spoke of, and the churches were churches that talked about the need for violent revolution and I remember clearly one of the major churches in Managua where the Jesus Christ on the altar was not Jesus Christ, he was a Sandinista soldier, and the priests talked about the corruption of the West, talked about the need for revolution everywhere, and talked about 'the evil empire' which was the United States of America."

Interesting stuff.

104 posted on 05/14/2012 6:55:54 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: krb

charlie babbit buys his underwear at k-mart

105 posted on 05/14/2012 7:11:15 AM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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My understanding of Scripture is that the beast (corrupt government) will ultimately devour the prostitute (corrupt religion). Communism is using religion, which it hates, and will be glad to devour religion that has prostituted itself for the power that corrupt government offered it.

So what you’re saying seems to match not only reality as we see it but also Scripture. The mark of the beast (666, which I’ve read is what the Muslims consider the symbol of the Quran) being required in order to buy or sell seems to come first, and then finally complete collapse of “Babylon” - which seems to represent mammon and luxury (or what we might call prosperity, which is the “god” of much of America).

I know there are lots of interpretations of Scripture and it’s near impossible to know exactly what is meant, but the overall picture in Scripture really fits what is happening right now, and the Islamic finance thing seems very much to be the mark of the beast. Homeland Security is preparing for civil war resulting from an economic collapse.

I think Obama supporting gay marriage was to get money from that wing of the party. They have to buy off the election administrators like they did last time, or else they’ll have to keep the election from happening. I think they’d rather not have to do the economic collapse, Black riots, or Iranian EMP just yet though, because their plans to get rid of the 2nd amendment (through Fast and Furious, the Giffords shooting, and then the fallback on Trayvon Martin, etc) hasn’t progressed as far as it needed to. And Soros hasn’t been able to buy out all the ammunition manufacturers yet. That’s why they’ve got to prepare for a civil war - because Americans are still armed. That’s why they have to have drones in place and Hezbollah and the drug cartels all over the place - to fight for the communist-Islamist revolution whenever Soros decides to initiate the full coup.

106 posted on 05/14/2012 8:09:41 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: FES0844
...& free contraceptives for the girls! Wouldn’t want them to be burdened with a baby.

Not just "burdened" but "PUNISHED." Never forget.

107 posted on 05/14/2012 8:18:33 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RobinMasters
He's baaaaack. Yep, Rev Wright back in the news to get his 15 minutes of fame.

Not that I am unhappy with the information he has given out. Of course, it makes one wonder just who else, and how many people were paid off by the Obama campaign to be quiet about things. Probably the colleges he attended were given "funds" to keep his records hidden, his sister was probably paid off to say he was born in Hawaii, etc. It is impossible to think that this one incident of a "pay off" offer was a one time incident. I am sure it was the M.O. of the campaign staff.

In fact, as strange as this might sound....maybe the only good thing that has come from the Obama presidency is that this very alive, active, and successful undercurrent to to put Obama in the White House, and through him/them destroy America, is being exposed more and more every day.

As unhappy as we were after the last election the only solace we have is that if McCain had won the election, most of America still would not be aware of much of what we now know about these subversive, destructive people and how their activities and goals have so successfully been hidden for years and infiltrated our schools, churches, non-profit organizations, businesses, etc.

Now, with so many of the anti-America/destroy America players and their covert tactics being exposed and discussed, mostly because of FreeRepublic and other conservative sites on the Internet, people are more alert, better prepared and better able to debunk their propaganda and discredit them, their frauds, and their devious intentions to bring our country to its knees and destroy our Republic.

108 posted on 05/14/2012 8:30:26 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: RobinMasters
When sermons of Obama’s Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, surfaced during the Iowa primaries, it threatened to derail Obama’s campaign.

I wouldn't agree that it threatened to derail the campaign. The American electorate was in love in 2008 and didn't give two sh*ts about any negatives about him. He was "The One," and no one was going to annoy them with facts.

109 posted on 05/14/2012 8:45:54 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: CitizenM

Not just bribed. Also THREATENED. See post 62 at

Also, everybody should become aware of what the Hillary supporters (Bettina Viviana and Michele Thomas) have come out with, regarding how Soros showed that the threats were serious. A starting place for that is post 158 at .

110 posted on 05/14/2012 8:55:25 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I'm pretty sure you know which policies were used by Dolphie too.

111 posted on 05/14/2012 9:02:45 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: newgeezer

I stand corrected & promise I won’t forget!!

112 posted on 05/14/2012 9:05:46 AM PDT by FES0844
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I have to get a bunch of work done now too.

I looked at your profile; wow, that could keep me busy for a long time. You’ve outdone yourself in collecting all that information and documentation. Really excellent work!

Isn’t it frustrating to know that the connections are clear and overwhelming - and yet most people will never even hear about it and so will be sheep led to the slaughter?

As an aside, do you know when the black liberation guy became a Fox contributor?

Off to work. Why is the end of the school year such a crazy time? I’m still dragging from my daughter’s graduation on Saturday and her cousin’s on Sunday, and there’s more stuff this week too. I hope I can stay awake to work.

113 posted on 05/14/2012 9:24:28 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rawcatslyentist
Yeah and your point(s) is/are?

It is easy to put up a chart of what someone (PURPORTS) to believe/espouse; it is something else to provide concrete examples of same. To wit: "Believes the constitution restricts the government from infringing on inalienable right" which the chart "claims" both Dear Leader and Mittens disagrees with this sacred belief.

Barack Hussein ObamaObama n a 2001 interview on Chicago’s public radio station WBEZ FM

"If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK.

But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

And that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

I'm certain you have documents which show Romney uttering something similarly damaging to prove the contention that he is of the same mindset as O'Bummer?

By the way, while abortion and same sex marriage are important issues, as is the economy, as a Vet I am more CONCERNED with first and foremost, the survival of our Republic by allowing Stealth Jihad to go unchallenged if not thrive by refusing to forcefully attacking it and in fact, appointing members of Islamist Organizations who have ties to the Mooselimb Brotherhood as "Advisers" and confidants within the White House, DHS, DOJ, DOD, etc.

I suppose you and others have examples of Mitt pandering, appeasing, defending and supporting Islamo-Fascists as well as comments condemning Israel while propping up and financing the terrorist group Palistinian Authority?

Also no doubt you have evidence that Romney would do the same as O'Bummer did and issue an edict ORDERING the DOD, FBI, DHS, et al, to "scrub" all "offensive" training material which in any way was considered "insentitive" or "islamophobe" thus emasculating and denigrating our military and counterintelligence personnel in our efforts to combat terrorism?

Morevover, I'm sure you have examples of Mitt TRASHING the United States (overseas among our enemies) as has Dear Leader, numerous times?

You want me to continue?

I could go on and on, but I'll give you (or any of your buds) the opportunity to begin with these and we'll go from there.

114 posted on 05/14/2012 9:40:42 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
>"I'm certain you have documents which show Romney uttering something similarly damaging to prove the contention that he is of the same mindset as O'Bummer?"

Mitts admits he's a Dim, by Mitt himself.

.25 sec youtube

115 posted on 05/14/2012 10:20:38 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: 1010RD; Scoutmaster; Jeff Head; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; writer33; cripplecreek; napscoordinator; ...
76 posted on Sun May 13 2012 17:15:25 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by 1010RD: “This is why Romney shouldn’t run from his religion, but embrace it. The LDS run the most Scout troops, are pro-family, and pro-America. It’s a great contrast between Obama’s BLT, his pro-homosexual agenda, and anti-Americanism.”

Unfortunately, other Freepers have previously posted that Romney apparently opposed the Boy Scouts’ ban on homosexual scoutmasters. Can someone post links?

I'm not categorically opposed to voting for a politically conservative Mormon. However, it looks as if Mitt Romney is about as much of a conservative Mormon as the Kennedy family were Roman Catholics.

The Roman Catholic Church has been doing a good job distancing itself from its “Catholics in Name Only.” It looks like the LDS has some serious work to do before Romney singlehandedly wrecks the pro-family conservative image which Mormons have worked for generations to create.

116 posted on 05/14/2012 10:51:40 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: 1010RD
"The LDS run the most Scout troops..."


Just because they register every Scouting age member of the church, regardless of church or Scout attendance, in their Scout units, doesn't mean they have a viable Scouting program.

Far from it in fact.

The issues with LDS Scouting are too well known within Scouting's circles for this to be viewed as a "positive". Many in the know will see this for what it is, political pandering using misleading statistics to claim that which is not entirely true.

Flame suit is on for all those who will view this as an anti-Mormon comment.

117 posted on 05/14/2012 11:00:22 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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Tip of the iceberg.

118 posted on 05/14/2012 11:32:52 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: butterdezillion
Isn’t it frustrating to know that the connections are clear and overwhelming - and yet most people will never even hear about it and so will be sheep led to the slaughter?

My feelings exactly. Yet, even here, there are folks who still don't correctly understand who and what Obama is, and what he is attempting to do to America. Some actually think he wants to convert us all to Islam.

119 posted on 05/14/2012 12:04:08 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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I threw the BS flag on the 150K number also——when Wright retired from his church they gave him a two (2) million dollar credit line (might be off on the exact digit but it was a million plus). He started building a new shanty house but had no visible income stream to pay off the credit line. Anyone wanting to help pay down his credit line would need to come in with much more than 150K bones.

120 posted on 05/14/2012 12:39:34 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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If they are able to get the communist-Islamist coup they’re after I could foresee them allowing the sharia thing, if only because the Islamist way is more efficient at disposing of people than the communist plan of first attempting “re-education” and then figuring out how to exterminate the 15 million people they expect won’t ever bow to communism. With sharia it’s easy. You pull the non-Muslims out of their houses of worship, ask them if they will convert to Islam, and when they say “no” you shoot them. Very efficient. It accommodates the ecoterrorists nicely as well, because it could quickly get rid of 90% of the world’s population as the eco-freaks like Cass Sunstein have been saying needs to happen. They haven’t yet figured out that with the productive people dead they won’t have much wealth to redistribute...

If they are willing to take a slower route - that is, if the Islamists have more power than the ecoterrorists - then the Muslims will go through their attempts to convert people first - specifically by denying anybody the ability to buy and sell unless they bow to Islam, either by converting or by accepting a dhimmi tax.

If they figure out that the Christians and Jews, for instance, are the world’s producers, they may want to keep them alive and taxed so there WILL be something to redistribute. At least to tide things by until they’ve got everybody acclimated to taking orders from the communist government telling them what they will do and when - and whether or not they receive any compensation for doing the work...

People have no clue the kind of people, systems, and agendas we’re dealing with here. Evil is real, and it is here.

I don’t believe that Obama is a genuine Muslim, but I do believe that he supports the Muslim agenda and has put his lot in with the Islamists as well as with the communists. He knows who butters his bread and he is willing to be just “Muslim” enough to keep them with him. He knows what they want and he bows to those wishes. He is the sympathetic slave of Muslims, posing as a “Black liberation Christian” in order to deceive as many as he can.

I believe that is what he had over Hillary in the eyes of George Soros. Obama was willing to ally himself with the Islamists to destroy the US economy. Hillary wouldn’t mind destroying the US economy to bring about communism but she’s too much of a feminist to ally herself with the Islamists, and her husband has enough Baptist background to believe he’ll burn in Hell if he abandons Israel. Bill and Hillary have always been “communism light” in the eyes of George Soros, but Obama presented the opportunity to combine forces with the Islamists - which gave enough money to do his characteristic economic terrorism on a much larger scale, and gave him threatening power like never before.

Which he has used to take over all the systems designed to provide checks and balances, separation of powers, limits on government (both Constitutional and statutory), transparency, and the rule of law. The very stuff that has made us America rather than a third-world corruptocracy like the Kenya that he came out of. Or the Hawaii that he pretends to have come out of.

121 posted on 05/14/2012 12:48:01 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
I don’t believe that Obama is a genuine Muslim, but I do believe that he supports the Muslim agenda

From AsiaTimesOnline
Feb 26, 2008

"Barack Obama received at least some instruction in the Islamic faith of his father and went with him to the mosque, but the importance of this experience is vastly overstated by conservative commentators who seek to portray Obama as a Muslim of sorts. Radical anti-Americanism, rather than Islam, was the reigning faith in the Dunham household. ...

Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.

There is nothing mysterious about Obama's methods. "A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his audience so that they will think they are as clever as he is," wrote Karl Krauss. Americans are the world's biggest suckers, and laugh at this weakness in their popular culture. Listening to Obama speak, Sinclair Lewis' cynical tent-revivalist Elmer Gantry comes to mind, or, even better, Tyrone Power's portrayal of a carnival mentalist in the 1947 film noire Nightmare Alley. The latter is available for instant viewing at Netflix, and highly recommended as an antidote to having felt uplifted by an Obama speech. ..."

Article: Obama's women reveal his secret

122 posted on 05/14/2012 1:18:22 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page:
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To: Friendofgeorge

The exact opposite is the case and is why Rev. Wright will be a campaign issue.

123 posted on 05/14/2012 4:20:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: darrellmaurina

I can’t believe that. The LDS are very aggressive about pedos and I simply can’t believe they’d introduce active homosexuals into that role of trust.

On the other hand, if someone is “homosexual”, but has forsaken that sin then that could be the case that they’d be involved in Scouting. I’d be surprised to find them as Scout Masters. If Scouting’s two-deep leadership is followed it really shouldn’t be a problem and being a known homosexual would put you in the spotlight moreso than in someone who’s kept it a secret.

124 posted on 05/14/2012 4:27:54 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: SZonian

More like a lame-suit, than a flame suit. Listen you’re well known for being anti-Mormon, which places everything you say in perspective. You’re lens is fault-finding, so you find fault.

My understanding is that the LDS don’t run Scouting exactly like it is run by other churches mainly due to the fact that they have their Scouting positions as “callings”. That means that their leadership are amateurs who function over a short time window. Most non-LDS troops that I know of have Scout Masters who’ve been doing it for decades.

Actually, your comment just reminded me of a great LDS program calle Eleven Year Old Scouts. It is like a crash course in Scouting that gets kids to First Class Scout in a focused period. They do that because their Scouting program is associated with their Priesthood which is given to young men when they turn 12.

125 posted on 05/14/2012 4:33:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: RobinMasters; LucyT; onyx; STARWISE; maggief; bitt; Nachum

Hannity discussing the “bribe” on his program tonight.

126 posted on 05/14/2012 6:12:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: 1010RD

I had to go back and take a quick look at what I said on this thread...I was saying basically that the moment Romney mentions Rev Wright (he will not in my opinion) all Obama`s people have to do is mention the Mormon stuff, neutralized.

Mind you nothing to stop other folks from running good ads with Obama/Rev Wright, I am all for it.

Sarah Palin wanted to make Rev Wright a major issue in the campaign, but McCain would have none of it.

I say bring on Rev Wright, just that I do not see Romney personally mentioning the name Rev Wright, unless they first make his Mormonism a issue

127 posted on 05/14/2012 8:05:40 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

You are right. A write in vote or a no vote is a vote for Obama. It drives me crazy that people are so short sighted. Some are always so. Every election cycle!
They don’t appear to be considering the future (judges, SCOTUS) at all!

128 posted on 05/14/2012 8:09:29 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: 1010RD; DannyTN; icwhatudo; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; writer33; cripplecreek; napscoordinator; ...
124 posted on Mon May 14 2012 18:27:54 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by 1010RD: “I can’t believe that. The LDS are very aggressive about pedos and I simply can’t believe they’d introduce active homosexuals into that role of trust. On the other hand, if someone is ‘homosexual,’ but has forsaken that sin then that could be the case that they’d be involved in Scouting. I’d be surprised to find them as Scout Masters. If Scouting’s two-deep leadership is followed it really shouldn’t be a problem and being a known homosexual would put you in the spotlight moreso than in someone who’s kept it a secret.”

OK, 1010RD, I found the reference. I'm prepared to believe this comment about Mitt Romney's views on gay troop leaders is wrong, but if so,it needs to be refuted.

DannyTN wrote this:

“So let's see...Mitt Romney's first three actions after his competition drops out.
Names an openly gay man as his primary spokesman.
Critizes the Boy Scouts for not allowing gay troop leaders.
Claims he is against pro marriage, even though he personally implemented gay marraige in Mass as governor, doing more for gay marriage than Obama has done as president.
Look at the actions, not the words. Words get etch-a-sketched. Actions tell his values.”

One of Romney's defenders, icwhatudo, said this claim by DannyTN is false, but then quoted Romney saying this: “I believe that the Boy Scouts of America does a wonderful service for this country. I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”

That comment is pretty bad — saying that Scouting, as a private organization, can do what it wants but that “all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation” is merely stating he doesn't want to force the group to take a stance which he wishes it would choose to take on its own.

This is not good coming from the Republican nominee for president.

Again, if this is false we need to get facts and refute the false allegations.

129 posted on 05/14/2012 9:24:57 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: 1010RD

What an unfortunate, yet wholly expected reply.

Sorry to bust your rose colored view of the LDS, but what I say is true. Since you claim I’m only capable of finding fault, let’s take a look at my resume within LDS Scouting circles, shall we?

I’ve been involved as a Scout leader in LDS Scouting numerous times; 2 times as a Scoutmaster, once as an ASM, once as a Cub leader, once as Webelos leader and once as an 11 year old leader. I’ve been a leader in Scouting for over 22 years.

I’m Wood Badge trained, I’ve served as a District Training Chairman and District Trainer, I’m an Associate Lodge Advisor for the Order of the Arrow and a Scoutmaster. I’ve been a Chapter Advisor and an Advisor to the Vice Chief of Inductions (OA).

I’ve conducted over 30 training classes for SM’s/ASM’s and coordinated and planned dozens of others including Cub leaders in the past 4 years.

Wanna know the percentage of LDS leaders that attended training? (<30%)

Wanna know how many LDS units will permit the OA to conduct elections in our District (0)?

Wanna know how many LDS units make it mandatory that new leaders attend even the most basic leader training in our District? (0)

Wanna know how many LDS units take their units out on at least one outing a month? (<10%) Why? They won’t get trained. They like basketball mo’ better, no work involved for the “called” leader.

Wanna know anything?

I’ve staffed Wood Badge courses 3 times, 1 of which was an LDS only course.

Wanna guess how many registered out of an entire Council that has dozens of LDS “units”? 22

Wanna know how many of those were actually direct contact leaders and not there to just to take up some valuable slot because they were of the “privileged” class? (5)

It’s painfully clear that you aren’t capable of handling the truth with regards to the LDS Scouting program, you’re pro-LDS, why should I be surprised?

Sorry that you’re own bias towards those of us who are anti-mormonism prevents you from accepting or even seeing the truth for what it is. I even went and tried to help my own LDS son and his LDS Troop against my better judgement. I “negotiated” with the Bishopric for over 3 hours about what needed to be done and how. I worked with them for 18 months and in the end, they threw those boys under the bus because they didn’t find the “program” palatable.

The LDS failed my son and the other boys in his Troop. I had to transfer our son to a conventional Troop in order to ensure he could attain his goal of Eagle. He had to endure the scorn and ridicule of his fellow church members because he went after his dream. I have 2 other LDS families getting ready to join my Troop right now. But they’re “afraid”.

You even supported many of original assertions with your post, whether you realize it or not.

LDS Scouting is an absolute joke, a danger to the boys in their programs and one that is interminably undermined by their own delude sense of self-importance because they pad the books with ghost registrations and don’t insist on capable, trained and motivated leaders. It’s all a smoke screen.

In that spirit, see ya.

130 posted on 05/14/2012 10:37:08 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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Longtime Obama pal Eric Whitaker keeps popping onto political scene

131 posted on 05/15/2012 7:02:43 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: SZonian

You’re mismeasuring. Scouting isn’t the main thrust of the youth program for the LDS. I’m impressed by your Scouting resume and dedication to Scouting. That said I’ve never met non-LDS Scouting leadership that didn’t praise the LDS and their dedication to Scouting.

Out of the more than a dozen LDS kids in Scouting I know nearly 3/4s have gotten or are on their way to getting an Eagle Scout. How many kids just drop out? My Catholic friends we really wanted their son to get Eagle were disappointed that he dropped out of Scouting altogether.

My personal experience is that much if not most of Scouting is parent driven. If it is important to the parents then the kids stay on it. Blaming or attacking the LDS for their Scouting program is a function of anti-Mormonism, not reality.

I’m sorry they “failed” your son, but you don’t seem like an objective source for facts about LDS Scouting.

132 posted on 05/15/2012 4:33:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Your pro-mormon bias is showing...again, and you keep including your favorite pejorative.

If, as you claim, Scouting isn’t the “main thrust”, what is it besides a meat grinder for young 11 year old Scouts? How many more families need to bury their children before the LDS decide it’s time to get serious and address their own failings instead of blaming the BSA for their problems?

That you are incapable of even showing how my credibility on the topic, besides my theological disagreement with mormonism should be in question, demonstrates your own pro-mormon bias and an inability to objectively evaluate the constant and persistent failures of the “activity arm” of the LDS. If the “President” states that something should be so, why isn’t it? Who are these men who dare to disobey their “prophet” so blatantly?

I clearly stated and gave evidence that the strawman you put forth was just that. Hollow to the core, yet, you won’t accept it.

The Stake Presidencies, the Bishoprics and the YM presidents all represent the “church”, the ones directly responsible for each ward’s scouting “activities”, ergo, they’re culpable.

Do yourself a favor, if you’re even remotely interested in the truth, google LDS scouting deaths due to leader’s negligence. You might just learn a thing or 2.

Then again, I don’t view you as an “objective” source either, that makes us even. I will dispel or refute your misinformation for as long as I need to. I will not stand by and watch a mormon apologist lay the blame for LDS failures at someone else’s feet.

Although, it is sanctioned after all, “lying for the lord”, it’s what good mormons are trained to do vs. protecting the kids in their charge.

133 posted on 05/15/2012 8:57:41 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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134 posted on 05/18/2012 12:50:29 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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