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GOP strategists: Puerto Rico Gov. Fortuno is a sleeper vice presidential pick
The Hill ^ | April 14, 2012 | Daniel Strauss

Posted on 04/14/2012 3:24:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Puerto Rico Gov. Luis Fortuno (R) is a sleeper pick for the No. 2 spot on the 2012 presidential ticket, according to GOP strategists.

Republican front-runner Mitt Romney has kept his cards close to his chest on vice presidential prospects, saying that it would be “presumptuous” to think about it before winning the nomination. But in a recent interview with Newsmax, he described Fortuno as “a solid conservative and a firm leader.” He also dubbed Fortuno “one of the great leaders of our party.”

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birther; fortuno; luisfortuno; moonbatbirther; naturalborncitizen; puertorico
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1 posted on 04/14/2012 3:24:29 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; JulieRNR21; metmom; ..

This is an intriguing possibility. Romney needs a running mate with some kind of star power and something different to offer.


2 posted on 04/14/2012 3:26:37 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Romney needs not to be the candidate. I don’t care who his VP is.


3 posted on 04/14/2012 3:28:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: Clintonfatigued
This is an intriguing possibility. Romney needs a running mate with some kind of star power and something different to offer.

Plus it puts Puerto Rico in play in the general election.

4 posted on 04/14/2012 3:28:55 PM PDT by SSS Two
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To: Clintonfatigued

This guy is very impressive!


5 posted on 04/14/2012 3:30:57 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Clintonfatigued

Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory, not a state. The U.S. citizens born in Puerto Rico are not natural born citizens. Fortuno is not eligible to be VP, much less President.

What the Hell is wrong with this party? We’re morphing into criminal Democrats!


6 posted on 04/14/2012 3:32:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SSS Two

Funny! Yes, Romney can win all zero of Puerto Rico’s electoral votes.

But Romney probably will pick an Hispanic or someone from a swing state since his political history indicates he is willing to win at all costs. Romney does not care if flip flops more frequently than John Kerry, nor does he care if he goes almost 100% negative on other Republicans. Romney just wants to win.


7 posted on 04/14/2012 3:33:14 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: C. Edmund Wright

wow...that I did not see coming....


8 posted on 04/14/2012 3:33:44 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: SatinDoll

You are wrong there. Children born in US territories are US citizens. Technically Puerto Rico is a US commonwealth.

Puerto Ricans are US citizens. I am 100% certain of this.


9 posted on 04/14/2012 3:37:11 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: Clintonfatigued

And what about the u s constitution? hello ?


10 posted on 04/14/2012 3:37:24 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: LovedSinner

Legendary Coach Vince Lombardi said “Winning is not everything, it is the ONLY thing”.


11 posted on 04/14/2012 3:37:36 PM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Why, is he a Mormon?


12 posted on 04/14/2012 3:38:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: livius

I don’t like Romney either, but it looks like we’re stuck with him.


13 posted on 04/14/2012 3:40:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: SatinDoll
Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory, not a state. The U.S. citizens born in Puerto Rico are not natural born citizens. Fortuno is not eligible to be VP, much less President.

I assume, then, that you are acknowledging that Barry Goldwater (born January 2, 1909) from Arizona (became a state February 14, 1912) was an illegal candidate for the office of President when he led the GOP ticket in 1964?
14 posted on 04/14/2012 3:42:19 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: entropy12

But in sports, there is no such things as “moderates.” You win, and you win.

In politics, we can win and yet still lose if we elect a moderate or liberal.


15 posted on 04/14/2012 3:43:44 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: Clintonfatigued
Folks. Let's get a grip. Does anyone think a milquetoast like Milt is going to do something exciting for a VP pick? He is going to pick a person that is even less dynamic than he is so he doesn't get outshined.


16 posted on 04/14/2012 3:43:50 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: livius

Ditto. Romney?
http://lc.fdots.com/cc/lc/7e/7efa79531abe348089c33837f93bce18.gif


17 posted on 04/14/2012 3:44:37 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: LovedSinner

I said they are citizens.

It has been granted them by Congress. And yes, they are a Commonwealth.

But they are not a state and HAVE REPEATEDLY REJECTED JOINING THE UNITED STATES AS A STATE.

Citizens, yes; natural born citizens, no. Puerto Ricans cannot serve as President or VP.


18 posted on 04/14/2012 3:45:09 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
You may be stuck with him.

I'm not voting for the degenerate scumbag.

Why are "we" stuck with him?.

By the way, this article is ridiculous, somebody is pulling Strauss's leg.

the Governor of Samoa got a better shot at VP than the Governor of PR.

This is like a bad Twilight Zone episode.

19 posted on 04/14/2012 3:46:25 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: SatinDoll

They’re morphing into a former party.


20 posted on 04/14/2012 3:46:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“He is going to pick a person that is even less dynamic than he is so he doesn’t get outshined.”

A potted plant would outshine Mitt Romney.


21 posted on 04/14/2012 3:46:55 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: LovedSinner
There have been cases wherein individuals born in US territories were determined not to possess all the rights of full citizens due to being not fully subject to US jurisdiction. See The Insular Cases.

There would also be the question of whether this man was born to citizen parents, and whether Puerto Rico itself is fully subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

Why does party leadership of both parties continue to flout this requirement? I can assure you that there are individuals whose status is not the least bit questionable under the strictest of interpretations, who would make a fine President or Vice President.

22 posted on 04/14/2012 3:50:25 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Clintonfatigued

23 posted on 04/14/2012 3:52:13 PM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: SatinDoll

If they are citizens at birth, that seems to me they are natural born citizens.

And many Presidents and Vice-Presidents have been born in territories, the District of Columbia, and even in foreign countries (the children of US citizens are natural born citizens even if born in a foreign country).


24 posted on 04/14/2012 3:53:24 PM PDT by LovedSinner
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To: tanknetter

Puerto Rico is an ‘unincorporated territory’, just like Panama. Children born there are U.S. citizens, but they are not recognized as natural born citizens.

Barry Goldwater was born in a territory with a different status. The Territory of Arizona was an ‘organized incorporated territory’ of the United States that existed from February 24, 1863 until February 14, 1912, when it was admitted to the Union as the 48th state.

Puerto Rico has repeatedly rejected statehood. Why in Hell should we have a VP or President from a place that doesn’t want to join the Union?


25 posted on 04/14/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Dude’s not a citizen. NEXT.


26 posted on 04/14/2012 3:56:54 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: LovedSinner

“And many Presidents and Vice-Presidents have been born in territories, the District of Columbia, and even in foreign countries (the children of US citizens are natural born citizens even if born in a foreign country).”

A natural born citizen is born in a nation of citizen parents.

Naturalized, derived, and native-born citizens can all serve in the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The Presidency requires a higher form of national security inherent in native born plus derived citizenship (jus solis and jus sanguinis).


27 posted on 04/14/2012 3:59:41 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll

To help The Mittster pick up those all important hispanic votes, no doubt.

Doesn’t Puerto Rico periodically have a referendum on independence as well?

Try that with a state or incorporated territory. Actually, it has been tried. Pretty bloody.


28 posted on 04/14/2012 4:00:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SatinDoll

Surely you have some authority to back up your insane assertion? Right?


29 posted on 04/14/2012 4:00:33 PM PDT by Jones511
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To: LovedSinner

You just got here, so you haven’t seen all the documentation we’ve gone over, again and again, about what constitutes a natural born citizen. Hopefully, someone will come along and fill you in....


30 posted on 04/14/2012 4:00:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Lazamataz

Laz! Your further legal opinion is requested: Have you seen no_limit-nigga Treyvon Martin’s family attorney, Jasmine Rand?
http://www.moejackson.com/2012-jasmine-rand-attorney-for-trayvon-martins-family-is-pretty-damn-hot-0412
Someone posted her photo in a bikini and her stern was somewhat camouflaged but I sure would like to peruse her briefs ... on this legal issue. (pant pant pant)


31 posted on 04/14/2012 4:07:26 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: LovedSinner

I am still rooting for Newt, after Bachmann & Cain. Sent donations to all three. We are ending up with a moderate because there were too many conservatives splitting the vote. It is no more complicated than that. In the end, I have no choice left except ABO.


32 posted on 04/14/2012 4:09:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: SatinDoll

Barack’s father was never a US Citizen. And his mother was a minor at time of birth if I remember correctly.


33 posted on 04/14/2012 4:12:26 PM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: Jones511

Three types of citizenship are recognized by our government: native born; naturalized; and citizen-by-statute (derived citizenship).

All have equal rights. All can serve in Congress, either as a Representative in the House, or as a Senator in the Senate.

The following link will take you to the government’s own Immigration Service web page describing the three types of citizenship.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Natural Born Citizen is NOT a type of statutory citizenship as per the Federal Government. Natural Born is ONLY an eligibility requirement for the U.S. Presidency per Article II, Section 1, clause 5, of the U.S. Constitution, and requires, as per the Founders, the President to be born in the United States (jus solis) AND of citizen parents (jus sanguinas).

No one has the RIGHT to be President. The eligibility requirement of Natural Born Citizenship (jus solis + jus sanguinas: born in the U.S. of U.S. citizen parents) must be viewed as a means to prevent split allegiance for any President of the United States.

The definition of Natural Born citizen exists in the Supreme Court holding of Minor v. Hapersett (1875), and has been reafirmed in 25 other Supreme Court cases.


34 posted on 04/14/2012 4:14:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll; All
And, pray tell, what Birther theory divined this notion that Puerto Rican-born American citizens are not "natural born?"

8 USC § 1402

All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899, and prior to January 13, 1941, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, residing on January 13, 1941, in Puerto Rico or other territory over which the United States exercises rights of sovereignty and not citizens of the United States under any other Act, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of January 13, 1941. All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States at birth.

Now you'll say but his parents may not themselves be NBC so he can't be NBC or some other nonsense, right?

35 posted on 04/14/2012 4:16:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: entropy12

BHO2 is not a Natural Born citizen. In fact, he has only claimed to be native born, never a natural born citizen.

I believe the Democratic Party wanted to get control of Congress and the White House, saw BHO2 as a spendid opportunity and shaz-zam! We now have a Marxist in the White House.


36 posted on 04/14/2012 4:18:32 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: LovedSinner
Puerto Ricans are US citizens. I am 100% certain of this.

The question isn't US citizen. It's natural born citizen of the US.

37 posted on 04/14/2012 4:18:45 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Only if we agree to be stuck with him.

I’m not voting for him no matter what, and I think many others here would agree.

He’d lose against Obama in any case, so it really doesn’t matter whether we vote for him or not. He’s another one the GOP has picked because (a) he’s spent big bucks in the last few years buying supporters and (b) they feel that, like Dole and McCain, it’s “his turn.” Why, I don’t know, but that’s how the GOP-E is.


38 posted on 04/14/2012 4:19:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: tumblindice

Yeah, that’s my feeling too...and that of many others, I suspect.


39 posted on 04/14/2012 4:20:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: Clintonfatigued; Impy
It's either going to be (in order of probability IMO):

1. Paul Ryan
2. Marco Rubio
3. Bob McDonnell

Notice all three come from (potential) swing states.

40 posted on 04/14/2012 4:20:40 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Has Mittens won one "Red State" yet?)
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To: newzjunkey

See my post at #34. Argue with the Supreme Court’s holding in 1875.

Most folks here are confusing statutory citizenship with an eligibility requirement to be President. They are not the same.


41 posted on 04/14/2012 4:21:04 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: livius

Why do you support a fascist who won’t get elected?


42 posted on 04/14/2012 4:23:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: livius

Oh, so sorry. I misread your post and missed that key word “not”.

I feel as you do.


43 posted on 04/14/2012 4:24:17 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll
BHO2 is not a Natural Born citizen. In fact, he has only claimed to be native born, never a natural born citizen.

If that is true, and I believe it is, and since BHO2 has been allowed to serve as president, it will be impossible to deny "qualified" status to any one in future who is a native born citizen.
44 posted on 04/14/2012 4:24:31 PM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
While some birthers are still falsely claiming Justice Thomas has been “evading” the question of Obama’s eligibility, the fact is, this is the real presidential eligibility the Justices have been joking about evading. A presidential candidate born in Puerto Rico.

Congressman Serrano(NY) was the chairman of the committee that funds the Supreme Court who was asking the Justices during their appearances, every year for over ten years, whether he would be eligible for the presidency because of his Puerto Rican birth. They would kid around, but never give him a straight answer. But they did say he could be a Supreme Court Justice.

45 posted on 04/14/2012 4:26:08 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: RegulatorCountry
There would also be the question of whether this man was born to citizen parents, and whether Puerto Rico itself is fully subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

He is at least second generation Puerto Rican-born. His parents were even citizens at the time of his birth in 1960. As for your last part, refer to the United States Code:

8 USC § 1402

All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899, and prior to January 13, 1941, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, residing on January 13, 1941, in Puerto Rico or other territory over which the United States exercises rights of sovereignty and not citizens of the United States under any other Act, are declared to be citizens of the United States as of January 13, 1941. All persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States at birth.

There is NO QUESTION except from Birthers for whom there will be no satisfaction.

46 posted on 04/14/2012 4:26:27 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; BillyBoy; randita

CF, we’ve been over this before. No freaking way. Fortuño has very little charisma, is pro-life but otherwise rather moderate, and brings literally 0 electoral votes to the table.

If Romney picks a conservative runningmate (who is particularly attractive to Evangelicals), campaigns as a conservative, and points out how dangerous Obama is, he will certainly carry all 22 states that McCain carried, plus IN and the Omaha CD. Romney would also be favored to carry FL, NC, VA and NH, and perhaps NV as well. However, he would still fall short of 270 unless he carries OH (or PA or MI, but those are less likely than OH), and to do that he needs to carry blue-collar conservatives in the state.

It seems to me that the obvious runningmate for Romney would be Sen. Rob Portman of OH, who is an intelligent, experienced, hard-working, charismatic conservative who is popular among blue-collar voters in OH and is a Methodist. He is sufficiently conservative so as to motivate conservative voters not to stay at home but would not scare more moderate suburban Republicans. Quite frankly, Portman would make a far better presidential candidate than Romney or even than the candidate I supported, Rick Santorum, and if he can deliver OH to Romney we should be able to stop Obama from vetoing conservative laws, issuing dangerous executive orders and appointing hundreds of federal judges, including a couple of Justices.

Portman is also young enough to run for president someday. And since OH has Republican John Kasich as governor, a conservative Republican would replace him in the U.S. Senate (maybe Jim Jordan or Ken Blackwell). It makes too much political sense for Portman not to be selected, and it would be a great victory for conservatives in a presidential race that has been extremely disappointing to say the least.


47 posted on 04/14/2012 4:27:46 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: entropy12

Well, nice try. But there is a news article on Free Republic at this time detailing BHO2 sending millions of dollars in U.S. tax revenue to his “home country” of Kenya.

Yeah, BHO2 was born in Kenya, which is why he DOES NOT have an original birth certificate in the Hawaiian Department of Health’s records vault.


48 posted on 04/14/2012 4:28:38 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Your post makes a lot of sense to me. Great political analysis of the importance of Ohio in 2012 elections.


49 posted on 04/14/2012 4:31:19 PM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: SatinDoll
The U.S. citizens born in Puerto Rico are not natural born citizens.

Where's it say that?

Fortuno was born a citizen. Therefore, he's eligible. However, if he wanted to vote for himself, he'd have to move to one of the fifty states or DC. Puerto Rico gets zero electoral votes.

Fortuno is not eligible to be VP, much less President.

The eligibility requirements are the same for VP and President.

50 posted on 04/14/2012 4:37:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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