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To: Jeff Head

I loved The Lorax. It was well made.

I disagree with many who have already posted. People need to take care of the environment and not abuse it. Some on the left and right go to both extremes of the spectrum. Thanks to many environmental policies I can visit nature not too far from my house in the city.

I think many here read too much into things and forget to have a good time and enjoy life. They do not think critically.


17 posted on 03/11/2012 8:00:34 AM PDT by moviefan8
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To: moviefan8
I kept thinking people were talking about this guy:


20 posted on 03/11/2012 8:11:45 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: moviefan8
People need to take care of the environment and not abuse it.

Timber harvests are not abuse. The forests are and have been disturbed. They need management, and harvesting provides that opportunity. Many of the nat'l forests are a mess because they have been walled off from management. There's a State Park nearby (Newbrighton Beach) with an area 'protected' by a sign that states essentially: Keep Out, vegitation restoration in progress. The area protected is a picture of invasive non-native spiecies including Pampas grass, French broom, thistle (several), Eucalyptus, pine and so many grasses I can't name them.
23 posted on 03/11/2012 8:14:12 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: moviefan8
Trashing capitalism does nothing to care for the environment. If we keep supporting the left and their attack on our way of life we will continue to lose our freedoms. If one must see this propaganda at least wait for it to come to discount theaters at or TV to lessen the profit of the propagandists.
24 posted on 03/11/2012 8:17:08 AM PDT by ontap
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To: moviefan8
...”I think many here read too much into things and forget to have a good time and enjoy life. They do not think critically”...

I doubt that too many people who truly understand what the EPA and the movement is all about can truly be happy and enjoy life as they whistle past the graveyard of history. Of course, we want to care for our environment but we want it done through truth and not lies, through freedom and not slavery, through wisdom and not insanity. Unfortunately, the critical thinkers are to be found on the other side of this issue..Also, it is doubly true that in times like these, the “wise man or woman is seldom glad.” Too many of the environmentalist wackos do not have children..Therefore they do not need to think about the next generation. Americans need to fall at the feet of
Lord Monckton and his voice of reason for which we starve. The pollution which is killing us is made up of the false propaganda our minds are fed each and every day from the government run journalists. I once read that it takes around eight years for ideas to permeate society. That is nearly a generation..The West does not have that kind of time to turn this around.

34 posted on 03/11/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: moviefan8
Thanks to many environmental policies I can visit nature not too far from my house in the city.

I think you are confused, and may have thought you were posting on your usual haunt, DailyKos. Please save your stupid liberal blather for your friends over there. This is a conservative site which treasures the free market, and does not welcome progressive propaganda about "the environment".

43 posted on 03/11/2012 8:52:24 AM PDT by montag813
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To: moviefan8

You mean critical thinking, like the Frankfurt School and Herbert Marcuse.


47 posted on 03/11/2012 9:01:23 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: moviefan8
Thanks to many environmental policies I can visit nature not too far from my house in the city.

Thanks to many environmental policies, we get to enjoy a lot more wild fires.

Your enviro-nazi friends push laws that block the clearing of old growth and brush.

The Lord calls us to be stewarts of nature. Instead, you idiots worship nature.

48 posted on 03/11/2012 9:03:12 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: moviefan8
"...I think many here read too much into things and forget to have a good time and enjoy life. They do not think critically..."

People who “think critically” do not have the luxury of not multitasking. Many people that I know who “think critically” are able to go out, enjoy themselves, and have a good time, but also keep an eye on the bottom line. We do this in the same way that someone is able to scuba dive in tropical waters that may be infested with dangerous creatures, keeping one part of their mind on the beauty around them, while the other part of their mind keeps an eye on their surroundings for the sake of their survival. Because we do this, it doesn't mean we cannot fully appreciate the beauty.

I say that they don't have the luxury, because they have to pull the weight for the vast majority of people who do not think critically, and consume not only the overt message of something like “The Lorax”, but also examine the underlying issues and message.

If you think that the script for “The Lorax” was written without any intention to “educate” younger viewers, you're not only missing the point, you are certainly not “thinking critically”.

I ask you this honestly: do you believe that the men and women who were involved in the scripting of this movie did not intend to impart a specific message to younger viewers?

49 posted on 03/11/2012 9:06:01 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: moviefan8
Apparently you like to think of yourself as intelligent.

Why don't you spend two days of your time -- say one day each on two consecutive weekends -- to do the following:

1) Pick up a copy of P.J. O'Rourke's All The Troubles in The World (it's cheap) and read it.

2) Try Googling and reading about the multitude of environmental atrocities which are commonplace in China.

Little things like a BILLION-gallon benzene spill into a river in Harbin.

Cheers!

59 posted on 03/11/2012 9:19:02 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: moviefan8

“Thanks to many environmental policies I can visit nature not too far from my house in the city.”

Did you walk to this “nature” area or drive your SUV? Is there a wooden sign depicting it as such? Are you homeless and live in a tent?

WTFU, then go away.


62 posted on 03/11/2012 9:21:02 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: moviefan8

Actually, we are thinking critically. That is the point. That movie and story are targeted at young children and give them the impression that industry, companies, and capitalism are bad. The little jingle by the woodcutter when he made it about doing it “for the economy.” was a perfect example.

The fact is, the movie as I said had a lot of good animation and good story points too...but the underlying message is clear.

My grandkids and I had a GREAT time. We did not forget that in the least...we also had some great discussions with good teaching moments...which for us, are a part of the good time.

Fact is, clear cutting has never been a long term business strategy for any serious timber/lumber company. It is a sure fire path to insolvency and bankruptcy. Most all of them plat more than they cut, and are good stewwards of the environment...despite the government.

Government regulations and government control of forests have led directly to the huge forest fires of the last 10 years because under Clinton they were able to get logging companies out of a lot of the forest and the overgrowth provided so much tender that when the fires came, they were much, much worse. This is because nature’s old way of doing it has also been dirupted and the “utopia” the enviros and liberals tried to creatre did not practise good conservation and the result has been a tragedy.

Anyhow, siorry for rambling...but good conservation does not have to be practised by government alone...in fact today. most agencies do not do so and it is the private companies and concerns doing it...as they learned to do before the government ever got involved.


74 posted on 03/11/2012 9:39:02 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: moviefan8; Jeff Head; Twink; Pelham
Oh bully.

almost no movies today do not bear the Lefts message...you know the litany list but earth worship, homo agenda and Christian bash are near the top

if that and the rest doesn't bother you when you go to watch a story put to pictures and sound on a screen then that says more about you than those of us here posting darling

the earth...the environment ...they called it mother nature in my day

it is the new God, the new religion to bow down to

it has little dogma except that written on the fly by the coke snorting gay sissies or man hating fembots or Christian haters or gun loathers or abortion loving ilk that make 90% of the drivel that spews forth from our entertainment industry today

i mean really...think about it...the past two years I can name maybe a dozen films I thought were fairly ok out of 100s...when I grew up it was simply not like this...sure we had agit prop like TKAMB (Finch) but the deluge of social engineering was just getting started

I would reckon lately...movies I've happened upon....Hugo, King's Speech, the Debt...a little shaky in places, the Eagle..not too bad but Picts as Algonquin savages was a bit much, Winter Bones, Restrepo, True Grit, Toy Story 3, Midnight Paris..Tinker Tailor and a few others I plan to see

but the fact is today that unless the subject matter is so rigidly historical they will form the movie to push their agenda...no question...rare is a comedy without a gratuitous gay angle...and so forth

it's like will anyone ever make an historically accurate period piece about race or using race properly?

like I never knew for example so many tropical Africans inhabited the Dark Ages of Europe...no pun intended

or the Greek and Roman Empires

but...for GenY Hollywood writers...why not...let's make black kids and dumb white kids believe it so we can ALL feel included

now if I see some pre historical piece on Old Africa with white tribe members then I will know we truly have reached some equilibrium

I just don't like the new propaganda...we've always had it but not like this...what we are watching unfold is the effect of 40 years of the Left's control on culture on the minds of those young folks who write and create most film..and TV

100 posted on 03/11/2012 10:26:00 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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