Skip to comments.I saw Lorax with the Grandkids...here's my review
Posted on 03/11/2012 7:40:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head
I saw Lorax yesterday with five of my grankids, ages 10 down to 5.
It was a fun kids movie, but clearly slanted towards environmentalism and particularly with an anti-business and anti-lumber company...really, and anti-capitalism bias.
On the way home it provided teaching moments. I asked the kids how many of them did not like lumber companies that cut down and harvest trees and why. All of them said they did not like them because they are "stealing our air," hurting animals, and destroying their places to live.
I pointed to the Boise Mountains which we could see from the windows of my Pickup Truck, which they love to drive in...crew cab, 4x4 with a big V-8, and said,
"You see all that dark green on the mountains as far as you can see...that's forests. Almost all lumber companies do not cut down "all" the forests. In fact, they plant more than they cut. We have more forests in the US now than they did 300 years ago in Colonial America."
I then asked..."Who likes wooden playground swings, see saws, etc., pencils, your furniture, your houses?" They all said they did. I asked them to start looking for things made of wood as we drove...they saw fences, signs, roofs, paper, carts, trailers, etc., etc. I told them that all of that was made from wood by companies who, yes make a profit because those people have jobs...but who also try and make the forests better, and bigger in the process.
After a good ten minutes of them pointing out all of these thigns, I then asked, "Who likes lumber companies now, and why?"
At that point they all said they did because they are really making more forest which makes more air, and trying to protect the forests even if they do cut down some of the trees and all of the neat things we have in society because those companies are working in the forests.
This is a long explanation...but it was a good teaching moment for grandpa and I thought I should share.
AMEIRCA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY.
Forget the MOVIE, I just love your beautiful deprogramming example!!!
In the movie, trees are painted on houses that are made out of ... what?? Compressed nothing?
Remember, we have to stop using natural resources because we’re running out AND we can’t keep using natural resources because that will cause climate change.
THEY got either way, don’t they? If we don’t run out of natural resources, we’ll ruin the planet. Not that we know how we’ll ruin the planet, just that it will be something bad.
And, let’s drive Chevy Volts because they run on electricity which makes them very fuel efficient because we all know electricity come our of the socket in walls made out of compressed nothing; and, like those walls, is also made out of nothing, only this is the magic, flowing kind of nothing that makes things go.
At the time the movie was set, real people desperately wanted to connect their towns to the railroad, as it allowed an explosion in living standards. Once you had access to a railroad, you were not trapped within 30 miles of the place you were born, like most people effectively were. You could import goods from around the country, and export them as well. Disney teaches that people wanted poverty not much improved from the middle ages.
The sequel will probably be about a small town that banned internet access and Wall Mart because they gave the town access to the world outside the town.
Anybody who thinks that the minds of young children are off limits to the meddling of the statists is delusional. A great example of this is found in Christopher Horner’s description of the global warming crowd in his excellent book Red Hot Lies” where he discusses how they try as hard as they can to leverage children to their cause, the younger the better, without any consideration of the effect that this has on them.
It’s pretty disgusting, disturbing and scary.
Rofl, I am on my 2nd teenager and there is NO ONE SO STUPID as the parent of a 15-year-old. Yes, the same parent who was the smartest person in the world, a wise trusted advisor, just three years ago, suddenly now knows absolutely nothing. Lol. This too shall pass. By 18 or 19, suddenly you’re not that dumb after all. Amazing how Gd takes your intelligence away for 5 or 6 years, then brings it back.
What I find amusing, is how many trees were destroyed over the years to print copies of "The Lorax" since it was first published? Probably many thousands.
I think it has to do with hormones...:)
Why don't you spend two days of your time -- say one day each on two consecutive weekends -- to do the following:
1) Pick up a copy of P.J. O'Rourke's All The Troubles in The World (it's cheap) and read it.
2) Try Googling and reading about the multitude of environmental atrocities which are commonplace in China.
Little things like a BILLION-gallon benzene spill into a river in Harbin.
At first I was jealous because if I take mine to that show, we won’t be driving through gorgeous forests on the way home to make that point. But here in the big city there are a lot of trees and almost all were brought in! Maybe not by lumber co’s but it still shows that humans are good stewards of the earth. In SoCal, all the famous palms, eucalyptus, etc, were all brought in. The only natural trees are the scrub oaks and very few others. An arid desert was made fruitful, literally, by us planting. (we won’t get into the water issues this lesson, lol)
“Thanks to many environmental policies I can visit nature not too far from my house in the city.”
Did you walk to this “nature” area or drive your SUV? Is there a wooden sign depicting it as such? Are you homeless and live in a tent?
WTFU, then go away.
My liberal cousins in Kalamazoo are raving about how wonderful the movie is but they themselves are clueless about nature. They’ve always been urban people and nature to them is grass more than ankle deep.
My grandmother got a little yanked at them recently for talking about environmentalism and the college educations they have. She read them the riot act and told them that despite being a high school drop out I had more real world knowledge of nature than all of them together. She explained that whe I was 10 year old I would travel miles through the fields and woods by myself and was able to name various forms of flora and fauna as well as describe their habitats and habits.
She ended by explaining that they had missed out on far more than they could ever gain because I grew up in our little rural town and they grew up in cities.
The story highlights the overharvesting of the forest and the negative impacts. Overharvesting is bad. Many here seem to think it is ok to overharvest and not replace the trees based on their not liking the movie. The environment should not be abused, which many here disagree with. There is a critical balance that needs to be found. Some laws go too far, but some are necessary to protect the the environment and our way of life. Like what I wrote before, many on the right and left go to the extremes. Many here are extreme.
I find nothing wrong with the movie. Many are reading way too
much into it. We can agree to disagree on this movie.
Good story. You demonstrate why skipping the other side’s viewpoints altogether is a bad idea. That makes the kids more susceptible to their emotionally-charged arguments. Your technique exposes them to it, then develops the emotions into workable ideas based on facts.
That will serve them far better in the long run as they learn to think rather than feel.
No problem...you are spot on.
>>What do you say when one of the kids asks about clear cutting tropical forests that are not being replanted?<<
In the words of Andrew Breitbart, “So?”
The Earth will adapt. It has for millions of years.
It was a wonderful day when I heard my high school junior tell her friend, "Do NOT argue with my mom--she KNOWS what she's talking about!!!"
Dr Seuss was a Commie, notice that during WWII had only started drawing the cartoons urging the US to get into the war AFTER the Soviet Union was invaded.
>>Many here seem to think it is ok to overharvest and not replace the trees based on their not liking the movie.<<
Would you please point to that post?
And not mine, because I never saw the movie.
Ted Geisel was farrrr to the left. He did a lot of adult cartoons during WWII.
However, most of his famous kids’ books are pretty good and fun. The cat in the hat is only mildly “subversive” as in having fun while the authorities are away, but that free “fun” turns hellish and order is restored at the end with relief. Same with “comes back.”
A great treatise on racism or outer differences (including cool kids’ cliques and clothing) is “the sneeches.”. It also deals with race- baiters and shakedown artists, years before the REVrund Jackson invented the push coalition.
Green eggs and ham is mainly about actually listening, and opening your mind, mostly seen at kids’ level of opening your mind to simple things like food, or trying a new activity.
A lot of the stories have simple themes like that and are not offensive.
The most commie kids’ book I’ve found is “the rainbow fish.”. I threw the expensive hard bound copy in the trash rather than even donate it. It’s about a fish who has beautiful glittery rainbow scales, and the other fish won’t play with him cause he’s so beautiful. So a wise octopus tells him to share his scales with the other fish. It ends with each fish having one glitter scale, and all are happy. Pure communism.
Sorry, forgot to mention - the rainbow fish is not by dr suess.
Actually, we are thinking critically. That is the point. That movie and story are targeted at young children and give them the impression that industry, companies, and capitalism are bad. The little jingle by the woodcutter when he made it about doing it “for the economy.” was a perfect example.
The fact is, the movie as I said had a lot of good animation and good story points too...but the underlying message is clear.
My grandkids and I had a GREAT time. We did not forget that in the least...we also had some great discussions with good teaching moments...which for us, are a part of the good time.
Fact is, clear cutting has never been a long term business strategy for any serious timber/lumber company. It is a sure fire path to insolvency and bankruptcy. Most all of them plat more than they cut, and are good stewwards of the environment...despite the government.
Government regulations and government control of forests have led directly to the huge forest fires of the last 10 years because under Clinton they were able to get logging companies out of a lot of the forest and the overgrowth provided so much tender that when the fires came, they were much, much worse. This is because nature’s old way of doing it has also been dirupted and the “utopia” the enviros and liberals tried to creatre did not practise good conservation and the result has been a tragedy.
Anyhow, siorry for rambling...but good conservation does not have to be practised by government alone...in fact today. most agencies do not do so and it is the private companies and concerns doing it...as they learned to do before the government ever got involved.
No one said that.
The environment should not be abused, which many here disagree with.
No one said that.
We can agree to disagree on this movie
I disagree. You're entirely wrong and dishonest and the movie is pure leftist propaganda.
I tell them that there is replanting going on down there...and that there are also those who do not and they are short sighted, and will ultimately go under.
In some nations, their governments allow it, in others they do not.
I also tell them that trying to put together an organization like the UN or some other “global authority” to be in control ultimately leads to worse conditions because power and money corrupts...and the more and larger the power, the more the corruptions. That’s why, outside of national defense and interstate commerce, it is best to keep government and control as close to home as possible.
Great job, Gran’pa!
Amen to everything you said.
Fact is, in the shales, off shore, the sands, and the fields in the Dakotas we have more oil than all of the Mid East and enough for our needs for well over a hundred years if we will simply go get it...allowing plenty of times for the alternatives to be developed properly...like Natural Gas, better batteries/electricaal (which right now all in all is less efficient with the power than gasoline), and particulalry Hyrdrodgen.
Spot on. BZ.
Thank you for sharing, Jeff.
Hope all is well with you and yours.
Many of the comments here seem to think that it is an attack on capitalism. It is ok to cut down all the trees because it is capitalism. Look at the environmental abuse in developing countries, where environmental laws are lax or nonexistant. Based on the posts I have read here, some would approve of that because it is capitalism. Others have posted that it is wrong that I can easily access parks so close to my home. Thesep areas are preserved from development, which is great for the people who live here because it increases the quality of life.
What is lacking in those countries is Property Rights, that's the problem.
Whatever you do don't take those kids to any of the clear cut areas on the Olympic Peninsula. They'll think it's time to keep an eye on grandpa. It still looks like a nuclear bomb went off out that way. Tree stumps the circumference of an Atlas booster as far as the eye can see. And as far as more "Forests than 300 years ago"......ummmmm.
I haven't seen this film. I'm guessing it's message is more to the point of being good stewards of the earth, less focus on short term profit. Good messages for any young Conservative.
GREAT review. But, but, Bill O’Reilly loved it.
Amen to all of that. BTW, what mMiss Fluke was promoting (ie. promiscousos sex with “protection” paid for by you and I) is in fact the very definition fo the word “slut.”
Rush simply told the truth, though he should have generalized about the behavior and not the person because Miss Fluke, while “testifying” used a lot of lawyer speak to very carefull avoid incriminating herself in that activity.
Fact is though, actions and words ahve meaning and consequence. When I was youger, people, and partiocularly women, who pracitced promiscuous sex were considered sluts. If they did not want to be considered such, then they did not behave that way.
All of thios is just more attacks on traditional morals and marriage and the family which has the direct goal of destroying the very foundation of this Republic.
The freedom we enjoy, granted by God, is nased on fundamental moral principle. If society sets those principles aside...by and by we will lose our freedom and liberty as our founders warned.
Bravo, well said. BZ.
If they admitted that capitalism worked for them, they'd no longer get invited to all the "good" parties...
Well, you’ll see how it is. If you simply point out all the wood around her...and the good it does...and the fact that there are more trees now, and proabably a lot visible where you live (unless its the desert southwest where except in the mountaon tops there’s no anyway), then most kids will pick up on it.
I asked them the question going out knowing what their answers would be given what they had just seen...and I asked them why...which they parroted the mvoe’s message.
We then talked, diplayed, and had them point out things of wood around them that were good.
Then the same question and they all decided lumber companies were good after all since they do not clear cut as depicted in the film.
Which post expressed that? Or are you reading minds, Svengali?
Unfortunately; most children aren't so blessed. They are being indoctrinated by the communist left at the cinema, and we are PAYING them to do it...
I have not seen anyone here promoting over harvesting. Far from it...we are all saying we need to be good conservationists and my point to my grandkids is that overharvesting is not occurring...it leads companies to bankrupcy.
When they see the millions of acres of forest in an area being harvested and worked by logging...they are smart enough to figure it out and understand that logging is good and not evil.
The overall message of the movie to a young mind was that lumbering, and business and factories in general are bad. Sorry, but that’s simply the tone of the movie...and needs to be countered, which I am glad I was able to do with my own.
You are free to do whatever you please with your kids and grandkids when the time comes.
I had the pleasure of deprogramming my GF’s 12 year-old son from the lie his school teacher told the class about polar bears headed for extinction.
When I showed him the data on the 1950’s bear populations compared to today (showing increase) he asked me why he’d be taught lies in school; that shifted the conversation into the deceit of climate change and the whole enviro movement.
The kid is not so easily deceived today.
Bravo Sierra, you cannot base your extrapolation on the posts here because they do not say that at all...you’re making it up as you go along to fit your own mind set.
Point to posts where anyone here has said that over harvesting (ie clear cutting) is good. You are simply parroting the message of the movie now.
This was in 2004. The tree by the lake is still there, by the way...
Perhaps he goes to too many movies... :-)
The objective value of some tropical rain forests are simply not great enough to justify the trouble and the expense of the labor of preserving them.
These kids father is in the US Navy...Bangor Base on the Pennisnula and we have driven around the entire thing several times, and before I contracted cancer and had to have radical surgery two years ago, had hiked into the areas.
The only full clear cutting going on is for residential or commercial development. Not for harvesting and logging. Some do the harvesting by section, some do it by selective cutting. But they all preserve entire sections and then plant and grow more where they have cut.
That’s what we saw on the Olympic Penninsula...and we looked.
Are there violaters? Yes, probably so, but no one here says that is a good thing. And those who do will not be in business long.
Most serious timber companies have been around a long time precisely because they are good stewards.
Nice try though...but you should have asked where three of these kids spent the last 8 years with their Dad in the Navy. He’s still in the Navy, but was recently inducted into an Officer program where they are sending him to school and they came to Idaho six months ago as a result...so we had quite a bit of experience in the very place you used as an example and we did not see the “miles and miles” of clear cut by timber companies you describe.
I have posted our trips...Google US Navy Reserve Fleet Bremerton and you will find one with lots of pics.
I do not know why people are surprised as the book is the same way. Really, can’t I just like the movie for the movie? I can talk to my kids where I think it is bonkers. The underlying “we need to take care of the Earth” is a good message.
almost no movies today do not bear the Lefts message...you know the litany list but earth worship, homo agenda and Christian bash are near the top
if that and the rest doesn't bother you when you go to watch a story put to pictures and sound on a screen then that says more about you than those of us here posting darling
the earth...the environment ...they called it mother nature in my day
it is the new God, the new religion to bow down to
it has little dogma except that written on the fly by the coke snorting gay sissies or man hating fembots or Christian haters or gun loathers or abortion loving ilk that make 90% of the drivel that spews forth from our entertainment industry today
i mean really...think about it...the past two years I can name maybe a dozen films I thought were fairly ok out of 100s...when I grew up it was simply not like this...sure we had agit prop like TKAMB (Finch) but the deluge of social engineering was just getting started
I would reckon lately...movies I've happened upon....Hugo, King's Speech, the Debt...a little shaky in places, the Eagle..not too bad but Picts as Algonquin savages was a bit much, Winter Bones, Restrepo, True Grit, Toy Story 3, Midnight Paris..Tinker Tailor and a few others I plan to see
but the fact is today that unless the subject matter is so rigidly historical they will form the movie to push their agenda...no question...rare is a comedy without a gratuitous gay angle...and so forth
it's like will anyone ever make an historically accurate period piece about race or using race properly?
like I never knew for example so many tropical Africans inhabited the Dark Ages of Europe...no pun intended
or the Greek and Roman Empires
but...for GenY Hollywood writers...why not...let's make black kids and dumb white kids believe it so we can ALL feel included
now if I see some pre historical piece on Old Africa with white tribe members then I will know we truly have reached some equilibrium
I just don't like the new propaganda...we've always had it but not like this...what we are watching unfold is the effect of 40 years of the Left's control on culture on the minds of those young folks who write and create most film..and TV