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Lesbian denied Communion at her motherís funeral is also a Buddhist
Life Site News ^ | 3/8/2012 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 03/09/2012 4:33:00 AM PST by IbJensen

GAITHERSBURG, MARYLAND, March 8, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – The lesbian who is attempting to get a Catholic priest removed from his parish for denying her Holy Communion at her mother’s funeral is a Buddhist who describes herself as a “naturally born agitator” committed to a “culture war.”

Barbara Johnson created a national feeding frenzy after alerting the media that Fr. Marcel Guarnizo had refused to give her the Eucharist after asking her not to come forward to receive, because she is a sexually active homosexual.

On February 26, Fr. Marcel Guarnizo of St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland, covered the ciborium containing the Host as Johnson approached and whispered, “I can’t give you Communion because you live with a woman, and in the eyes of the Church, that is a sin.”

In the ensuing national media coverage, Johnson was repeatedly painted as the victim of prejudice, while the priest was lambasted as a bigot, even being censured by his own diocese.

But in the days following the incident, new information has emerged about the woman at the center of the controversy that raises questions about why she presented herself for Communion in the first place. In addition to personally asking Johnson not to present herself for Communion, the priest had publicly explained the conditions for receiving Communion during the funeral mass.

Johnson published a paper on Academia.edu entitled “Coming Out in the Heteronormative and Homophobic World of Education” that discussed her sexual and religion identification.

When taking a job as an art teacher in a Catholic high school, she wrote, “I felt I couldn’t allow myself to be put into a position to be closeted, even for a few months,” because doing so would leave her “feeling invisible and unworthy of knowing.”

“So in my interview with the principal we talked openly about my being a lesbian and a Buddhist.”

In a second paper she wrote, “As a Buddhist, my role model of an enlightened, highly realized, and happy human being is Gautama Buddha.”

Under canon law, only Roman Catholics are permitted to receive the Eucharist at a Catholic Mass.

In her paper about her experiences in Catholic education, Johnson portrays herself as committed to a “culture war,” insisting it is “important to note the place in which the issue exists in our society, a place of deep and historically violent conflict – war…Ironically, the group who most often portray LGBT people as a menace is the same group responsible for ‘virtually all rape, assault, murder, theft, child abuse, spouse abuse, and war.’”

She complained that her principal told her, “I’m no bigot” but warned her that some Catholic school parents object to teachers discussing their homosexual sex lives in class.

“I was forewarned, and now any problems I might have would surely be of my own making, and most likely, in need of my own solutions,” she wrote. “The decision was mine to make, and I made it with all the zeal and enthusiasm of any naturally born agitator who every now and again enjoys challenging the status quo. And how could I not take this opportunity to challenge this status quo where our laws ‘facilitate and nurture an educational system where schools are able to use tax money [or in this case government voucher money] to speak about respect while modeling bigotry’?”

In her paper, posted online “about a year ago” as a graduate student at Kutztown University, Johnson quoted John Howard Griffin’s statement that he wrote Black Like Me to show “the white majority how a small but powerful group of whites viciously oppressed blacks [while] well-meaning whites looked the other way.” She asked, “Isn’t it time the well-meaning heterosexual majority looked this issue straight in the eye?”

She went on to liken societal “heterosexism” to the Jewish blood libel and the lynching of blacks, and hoped her words would “propel all educators out of our comfort zones and into action.”

Decrying “the false sexual binaries of mascule/feminine and heterosexual/homosexual,” she wrote LGBT people must be “embraced as part of a new, more expansive definition of normal.”

“The next step must be for the public school system” to “celebrate both LGBT faculty and students for the unique perspectives and experiences we can provide the greater school community,” she wrote.

Johnson says she facilitated this celebration in her career by teaching “a project based on Judy Chicago’s Dinner Party,” which is “based on tikkun olam...the Jewish concept behind much of Chicago’s work.” Students were asked to discuss “discrimination,” then create art projects, displayed throughout the school, “to honor…marginalized groups.”

Joshua Bowman, who runs the blog the “Prolix Patriot,” wrote, “a quick glance at the Facebook and Twitter pages of [Johnson’s] art school (for children!) reveals a series of pro-abortion and pro-[gay] links which are clearly and explicitly at odds with the teachings of the Catholic Church.”

Canon 915 of the Roman Catholic Church’s Code of Canon Law states those who are “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.” However, canon lawyers disagree about how much interaction is necessary before a priest may deny someone Communion in practice.

A source close to the incident, Diego von Stauffenberg, told LifeSiteNews.com exclusively that Johnson introduced herself and her “lover” to Fr. Guarnizo before the ceremony, and the priest asked her not to present herself for Communion. She then reportedly stormed out, with her lesbian partner blocking the door. After being denied the Eucharist by Fr. Guarnizo, Johnson went into another line and received Holy Communion from an Extraordinary Minister.

Von Stauffenberg’s account calls several aspects of Johnson’s story into question.

After the ceremony, Johnson wrote a complaint, leading to Archdiocese of Washington Auxiliary Bishop Barry Knestout penning a formal letter of apology blasting Fr. Guarnizo’s “lack of pastoral sensitivity.”

Popular Catholic clogger Thomas Peters writes at CatholicVote.org that, in light of Johnson’s history of activism, the entire ordeal constitutes “a blatantly political attempt by Johnson to generate sympathy and support for gay marriage and to foment public judgment against the Church.”

“The liberal narrative is that the Catholic Church is oppressing women,” Bowman wrote at Prolix Patriot, “but the truth is that radical liberals who do not believe in the Church’s teachings are manufacturing controversy with the help of manipulative media elites.”


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It's hard to believe, based on this utterly ridiculous situation being reported, that this is not made up!

Shouldn't the first question be, what is a lesbian and a Buddhist doing teaching at a CATHOLIC school? This is beyond ridiculous... And wasn't she given the communion later on by an extraordinary minister?

1 posted on 03/09/2012 4:33:02 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Aren’t you glad you don’t live in Maryland, the Freak state?


2 posted on 03/09/2012 4:44:30 AM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: IbJensen
Shouldn't the first question be, what is a lesbian and a Buddhist doing teaching at a CATHOLIC school?

Yes! Who is making the decisions to let these agitators in? Based on what precept? I suppose with the same logic allowing a lesbian and Buddhist teach, if an Atheist wanted to be included the Catholic church would let them.

It's convoluted and ridiculous.

3 posted on 03/09/2012 4:46:53 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: IbJensen

This story does not pass the smell test, but if true...
This filthy girl should have received communion if for no other reason then to cleanse her pathetic soul.


4 posted on 03/09/2012 4:47:31 AM PST by AlexW
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To: IbJensen
The attacks on the Catholic religion are intensifying!
5 posted on 03/09/2012 4:49:52 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: IbJensen

Why would a Buddist want to try to take communion unless she were wanting to make a political statement at her own mother’s funeral?


6 posted on 03/09/2012 4:53:47 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: IbJensen

I’m a Christian, and I get a great deal of spiritual benefit from communion, but I know that the Catholic Church does not choose to give me communion. I would not ask for communion at a Catholic church, and I would not throw a fit if they refused to violate their beliefs and give me communion. Liberal activists disgust me.


7 posted on 03/09/2012 4:54:15 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: AlexW

Are you Catholic? Because it is sinful and further damaging to a soul to accept Our Lord in Holy Communion when someone is not in a state of grace. If she was openly lesbian then she was not in a state of grace.


8 posted on 03/09/2012 4:55:46 AM PST by impimp
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To: IbJensen
Popular Catholic clogger Thomas Peters

Clogger? Clogging is a type of dance, especially cute when little children perform it.

9 posted on 03/09/2012 5:00:36 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: armymarinemom

She’s not a Buddist and she’s certainly not a Catholic.

Rather, she’s a disciple of Satan who does her master’s bidding.

In a thorough examination of the entire Congress of the central socialist government we’d find many who have indeed sold their souls to the devil for political gain. The present phony who occupies the oval office, along with, for example, the two phonies who are senators from California clearly demonstrate the strength of satanism in the nation’s capitol.


10 posted on 03/09/2012 5:03:14 AM PST by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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To: IbJensen

She walked up to the priest right before Mass and introduced another woman as her ‘lover,’ according to sources familiar with the parish.

Freegards


11 posted on 03/09/2012 5:03:50 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: IbJensen

It is disgusting that this person would use her own mother’s funeral for her political grandstanding.

It is also disgusting that the dicoese would abet her in her efforts.


12 posted on 03/09/2012 5:05:57 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: AlexW; impimp
Canon 915 of the Roman Catholic Church’s Code of Canon Law states those who are “obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.”

This is the clincher in the article. Being a lesbian is about as grave a sin against Canon Law as you can find. And Holy Communion isn't about cleansing. I've never taken Communion before Confession. A true Catholic will not take Communion or will go prostrate before the Host and be simply blessed by but not receive the Host if they are with sin.

I spend time in the church every Saturday for Confession and spiritual meditation so that I may receive Communion at Mass. Under no circumstances should this disgusting Buddhist lesbian be given the Host. Liberals are trying to demean and destroy the meaning of spirituality to suit their twisted means, and I pray this church and the diocese do not cave to media pressure.

We need to go back to the church of old: a hard-nosed institution that requires her members to be upright citizens who walk in the light of the Lord. He who walks with sin does not deserve a place at the table of the Lord.

13 posted on 03/09/2012 5:06:57 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: impimp
Are you Catholic? Because it is sinful and further damaging to a soul to accept Our Lord in Holy Communion when someone is not in a state of grace.

While I wouldn't use the "state of grace" phraseology, I understand what you are talking about and will say, that's not just a Catholic belief but one in every church I've ever been in.

14 posted on 03/09/2012 5:08:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: impimp

I am an Episcopalian. (I know...) When I was visiting a friend’s Catholic Church recently, I sought out the Priest beforehand, because I did not know what the rules were for receiving Communion. The Priest politely informed me that I must not receive Communion at his church and I did not.

What’s so hard about that!


15 posted on 03/09/2012 5:09:43 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: rarestia
Under no circumstances should this disgusting Buddhist lesbian be given the Host.

I think she actually wanted a birth control pill....oh wait...

She doesn't need one.

16 posted on 03/09/2012 5:12:53 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: IbJensen

Religious freedom. Oh how the Leftists hate it.


17 posted on 03/09/2012 5:14:26 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Graybeard58
Many Irish Catholics clog.
18 posted on 03/09/2012 5:14:32 AM PST by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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To: SampleMan

-——Oh how the Leftists hate it——

Of late, we have learned that quite a few FReepers don’t cotton to it either.


19 posted on 03/09/2012 5:17:18 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: IbJensen
Thomas Peters is a blogger, I suspect he's a Catholic blogger and takes the letter "C" from Catholic and replaces the letter "B" in the word blogger with it.

Of course, he may well be a clogger (Dancer) too. It's still cuter when the little ones do it and some of them are very good at it.

I'm 66 years old and cannot remember when I ever had the energy to clog.

20 posted on 03/09/2012 5:24:15 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: IbJensen

OK What would really torque her off would be if someone would tell her that everyone who sympathized with her make believe story would pray for her.


21 posted on 03/09/2012 5:36:32 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: IbJensen
IMO, she's a personally miserable human being who has made it her mission in life to cause problems and misery for others.

It sounds like she purposely sought employment in a Catholic school so that she could raise sexuality "issues" and is probably disappointed if she hasn't had a lot of response or negative reaction from parents.

So yes, of course she used her own mother's funeral as an opportunity for political grandstanding. She almost demanded that the priest refuse her Communion so that she could raise a ruckus about it. The poor man was between a rock and a hard place. She's a despicable human being.

I'm not Catholic and have attended exactly one funeral Mass in my life. The priest made it perfectly clear who could and could not receive Communion. Not every Catholic present opted to receive it that day so I didn't see that not receiving it was any great issue one way or the other for anyone.

22 posted on 03/09/2012 5:36:47 AM PST by susannah59
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To: IbJensen
If homosexuals can become and remain priests why not lesbians taking communion?
23 posted on 03/09/2012 5:56:19 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: AlexW

With Catholics, Holy Communion is a sacrament. One needs to be baptized and educated in Catholicism before receiving. One must also be in a State of Grace. In short, non-Catholics do not receive Communion. This woman wasn’t Catholic and she was in a sinful relationship. This barred her from receiving the Sacrament. To some non-Catholics, this may sound strange; however, it is simply the rules of the Church. She could have gotten in the Communion line, crossed her arms across her chest and received a blessing. Obviously she felt “entitled” to go against the Church. IMHO.


24 posted on 03/09/2012 6:01:13 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Ransomed

If I walked up to my pastor before Mas and introduced him to a married woman I was having sex with I’d get denied Communion too. But some people are “special”.


25 posted on 03/09/2012 6:05:46 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Graybeard58
From the King James Version (why? So I'm not cherry-picking Catholic translations...):

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

26 posted on 03/09/2012 6:10:32 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Pollster1

I was raised Catholic, I received all of the Sacraments. However, I have not practiced Catholicism in many years and I would NEVER go to Church and receive Communion without first going to Confession and renewing my faith.

Why is it so hard for people just to show respect?


27 posted on 03/09/2012 6:15:55 AM PST by panthermom (Please Pray for C Co 3-21)
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To: pgyanke
I didn't disagree with anything the O.P. said. I simply said, I wouldn't use his/her phrase "state of grace"

Nothing in your quote from the K.J.V., says "state of grace" I agree with everything it says and have no problem with you or anyone who pleases, phrasing it, "state of grace". Are you looking for an argument, where no grounds for one exists?

28 posted on 03/09/2012 6:28:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: count-your-change

The homosexual priesthood was a scheme hatched in the Kremlin in order to bring down the Roman Catholic Church, which the Russians believed that second to the USA this was their enemy.

They clandestinely recruited queers to enter the seminaries to begin the contamination. As these were true sodomites they naturally gravitated towards the youngsters after their invalid ordinations.

Apparently you are a member or a facilitator of the homosexual agenda, possibly a lesbian, and I can understand, but not condone, your frustration.


29 posted on 03/09/2012 6:45:02 AM PST by IbJensen (We now have a government requiring citizens prove they are insured but not that they are citizens.)
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To: panthermom

“I was raised Catholic, I received all of the Sacraments.”

Well... obviously you haven’t received “all” of the Sacraments... you’re still here with us...


30 posted on 03/09/2012 6:56:54 AM PST by Mashood
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To: IbJensen

“As a Buddhist, my role model of an enlightened, highly realized, and happy human being is Gautama Buddha.”


Buddha would never have behaved like this. In addition, Buddha was heterosexual, and, until the recent pressure of Western Liberal malcontents was successful, homosexual behavior was, in my ancient Tibetan tradition at least, considered non-virtuous, i.e. sure to result in negative karma. This woman does not represent Buddhism, but her Narcissism brings dishonor upon it - not a light karmic matter at all.

Those interested in my review/rant on Western Liberal Buddhist shenanigans (entitled, “the best minds of my generation . . . “) may want to look up that Amazon review from March 1, 2012 for the book, Shoes Outside the Door, by Michael Downing. Sorry, can’t link directly to the link of that review anymore, but it’s not hard to find.


31 posted on 03/09/2012 7:11:52 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: IbJensen

It’s all a communist conspiracy, right? and what was it five hundred years ago? or a thousand?


32 posted on 03/09/2012 7:35:28 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: pgyanke
Beat me to it. I was looking to post this scripture from the KJV to illustrate that the priest was not denying communion so much as preventing someone from "eating and drinking damnation to themselves."

Only those who don't understand Christian doctrine have a problem with what the priest chose responsibly to do. In the old days, had the priest chosen the apparent path of least resistance, treating the Church like a public school and being concerned more about hurting someone's feelings than eternal damnation, the clerics would have burned him, the supplicant and all the chalices and utensils, etc.

This is a Catholic communion, after all. Even a "Protestant" Christian like me knows the context and would not seek Catholic communion out of respect for their beliefs that the service involves transubstantiation, and the very literal presence of the blood and body of Our Lord and Savior.

I'll save the notations on Paul's use of the adverb translated "unworthily," as in modifying the action and not the actor, for another more appropriate time.

Thanks again...

33 posted on 03/09/2012 7:53:31 AM PST by Prospero
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To: Mashood
Well... obviously you haven’t received “all” of the Sacraments... you’re still here with us...

LOL!! Witty!

34 posted on 03/09/2012 8:48:07 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

ping!


35 posted on 03/09/2012 8:53:01 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Bushbacker1

Yes, they are ......and the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.


36 posted on 03/09/2012 8:57:14 AM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: impimp

From previous threads on this topic, I understand she introduced her gay lover, as her lover, to the priest prior to the funeral. He was on moral grounds to refuse her communion just on the basis of those facts.


37 posted on 03/09/2012 9:03:06 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: Prospero; pgyanke
Beat me to it. I was looking to post this scripture from the KJV to illustrate that the priest was not denying communion so much as preventing someone from "eating and drinking damnation to themselves."

These were the verses I was thinking of also as I agree with your point. By the way, I'm a Lutheran whose church practices close communion for this reason.

38 posted on 03/09/2012 9:11:14 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: AlexW
Right sentiment, wrong Sacrament. What the woman needed was the Sacrament of Reconciliation (also known as Penance, or Confession) in order to repent and be cleansed from her sin.

Receiving Coommunion in an unrepentant state just results in yet another sin, namely sacrilege. I think that, because of his pastoral concernfor her, thew spriest was trying to prevent her from getting into even more serious sin.

May the Lord come to her assistance so that she may be blessed with repentance and eternal blessedness.

39 posted on 03/09/2012 10:44:16 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
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To: Graybeard58

Calm down. My post to you was for clarity in the conversation, not a provocation. May God bless you.


40 posted on 03/09/2012 10:46:55 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: count-your-change
A person afflicted by temptations which they resist --- like the temptation to same-sex behavior, or any sexual behavior outside of marriage, or any other sin --- can receive Communion or other sacraments, because they are asking for God's grace. Being tempted, in itself, is not a sin. That would include persons resisting homosexual temptation.

A person who unrepentantly indulges in and justifies such behavior, however, is eligible for no Sacrament except -- if they reject the sin --- Penance. (And Anointing if they are repentant and seriously ill.)

41 posted on 03/09/2012 10:54:24 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
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To: IbJensen; ogen hal; sirchtruth; Bushbacker1; AlexW; armymarinemom; Pollster1; impimp; ...
Sent to:
chancery@adw.org

His Excellency, Bishop Barry Knestout
5001 Eastern Avenue
Hyattsville MD 20782-3447

Copy to:
Fr. Marcel Guarnizo
St. John Neumann Catholic Church
9000 Warfeld Road
Gaithersburg, MD 20882

Your Excellency:

I was disturbed when I read that Fr. Guarnizo had rudely refused Holy Communion to a woman at her mother’s funeral. It was only later that I realized that I had misjudged the situation by letting anti-Catholic secular press define it for me; that there was a lot more to the story; and that the lesbian Buddhist, Ms. Johnson, actually set a trap which many, including you, your Excellency, fell into.

The spectacular success of Ms. Johnson’s ploy guarantees that the sacrilege will be repeated again and again; in your Archdiocese, and in others.

This should have been a positive “teachable moment”. Upholding Fr. Guarnizo, the Archdiocese could have said that the Eucharist must never be profaned by being received unworthily, but that any repentant person can be received back into the Church by the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Instead, Fr. Guarnizo has been maligned and slandered. This is scandalous. He ought now to be restored by a public affirmation of his innocence.

If I have misconstrued what happened because of faulty and tendentious reporting, I would gladly be corrected.

Yours in Christ our Lord,

[signed]


42 posted on 03/09/2012 11:01:42 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
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To: IbJensen; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


43 posted on 03/09/2012 9:28:27 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: sirchtruth
Yes! Who is making the decisions to let these agitators in? Based on what precept?

The denied communion was at the funeral Mass of her mother, which was why she was there to begin with.

That said, as both an unrepentant lesbian, which she made sure the priest Fr. Guarnizo *knew* before the Mass began, and now as it seems a non-Catholic as well, Fr. Guarnizo was eminently correct in his decision.

The Archbishop's reaction was most emphatically *not* proper, and this lunatic's DEMANDS that the priest be removed from a parish she is not a member of, and of a religion she doesn't practice are ludicrous on the face of it, and should be dismissed out of hand...

the infowarrior

44 posted on 03/09/2012 11:32:58 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: IbJensen

If you are a Buddhist, why would you seek to receive the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ?


45 posted on 03/09/2012 11:34:51 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Graybeard58

The Catholic Church does not dispense Communion to those who are not baptized in their faith.... If you choose to receive fraudulently it is considered an imperfect sacrament. This is my understanding of my own life long faith. I have respect for other faiths and would not presume to “crash” their worship rituals for any reason. Least of all to enhance my own ego.


46 posted on 03/09/2012 11:45:22 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee
I have respect for other faiths and would not presume to “crash” their worship rituals for any reason. Least of all to enhance my own ego.

Nor would I. I have never partaken of the Lord's Supper out side my own church. At my church, which is Baptist, only members of that particular church may partake. Not even members of other Baptist churches. I don't necessarily agree with that but those are the rules that I endorsed on becoming a member of that church.

47 posted on 03/10/2012 5:15:01 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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Has everyone’s “pings” changed or is it just mine? I used to be able to read replies to me from my “replies to you” area. No more, now it just tells me I have been pinged and I have to go to the article to read the message. Anybody know how to change it back?


48 posted on 03/10/2012 5:17:46 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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I understood all this. What I was referring to is why the Catholic Church allowing gays and lesbians to be priest?

What kind of convoluted "Christian Church" would allow this? Under what reasoning?

49 posted on 03/10/2012 5:34:04 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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Hi Graybeard, I am a catechist (means I teach children at Sunday school) in my Catholic parish and “state of grace” is the normal term we use to describe how one should be when taking Holy Communion. I believe it is a translation of the Latin which means not being unworthy and ready to meet the Lord, who to us is actually present in the bread and wine. It is not meant to be a challenge to anyone except those who know they have sinned and have not asked the Lord for forgiveness. While forgiveness is something we ask for in Confession through a priest we certainly can be forgiven by the Lord directly through prayer as any other Christian. We refer to Confession now as the Sacrament of Repentance to signify the true nature of our hearts when it is done.

1 Corinthians 11 is a very difficult chapter for ALL Christians as St Paul tells us here that a man should not “nourish” his hair (I assume using shampoo, combing, etc.) nor cover his head and he admonishes women that when praying they should have their heads covered, yet very few Christians obey this or many of the instructions in this chapter.


50 posted on 03/10/2012 5:58:56 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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