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Wash Post Journalist: 'Maybe the Founders Were Wrong' to Guarantee Free Exercise of Religion
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/02/08/wash-post-journalist-maybe-founders-were-wrong-guarantee-free-exerci ^

Posted on 02/08/2012 5:44:57 PM PST by chessplayer

Washington Post political writer Melinda Henneberger shockingly stated, Wednesday, that "maybe the Founders were wrong" to guarantee religious liberty. Henneberger appeared on Hardball to discuss the Obama administration's decision to force the Catholic Church to provide birth control in health care.

Discussing the battle between the left and those who see it as a threat to the First Amendment, she declared, " Maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee free exercise of religion in the First Amendment but that is what they did and I don't think we have to choose here. " Henneberger's awkward comment came as she attempted to defend the Catholic Church. [See video below. MP3 audio here.]


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1 posted on 02/08/2012 5:45:03 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Maybe she has hair on her back.


2 posted on 02/08/2012 5:48:13 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: chessplayer

I’m sure this commie would be happier if the Founding Fathers had put in a provision that all our rights were secondary to the interests of the State. Kind of like the Constitution of the good old USSR.


3 posted on 02/08/2012 5:52:22 PM PST by henkster (Obama regime mission statement: "Find the people working, and stop them!")
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To: chessplayer
Her lack of understanding of the Founders' ideas of liberty reflects the degree to which those ideas have been neglected in the past several decades.

In order to understand the so-called "progressives'" in the Administration and the media (who are, in fact, regressive in their ideology and policies) which promotes their cause, especially as it pertains to their Trojan Horses called "women's health" and Planned Parenthood, perhaps a reading of the following excerpts might be instructive. Please note that the writer quoted below refers to "progressives" as advancing freedom, which is not the cause of those who go under that banner in America today.

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them.
"All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON

4 posted on 02/08/2012 5:52:39 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: chessplayer
Of course she doesn't like the way this country was set up.

Leftists - communists & national socialists - like Islamics and other totalitarian ideologues, are incompatable with the US Constitution and our way of life.

To her I would say that it wasn't the founders who were wrong, it was her parents who were wrong for birthing her in a free country.

5 posted on 02/08/2012 5:55:01 PM PST by skeeter
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To: loveliberty2

Liberals shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

Don’t know how much clearer I can be.


6 posted on 02/08/2012 5:56:47 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: chessplayer

“Henneberger’s awkward comment came as she attempted to defend the Catholic Church. “

One can only imagine what people who don’t defend the Catholics want to say.


7 posted on 02/08/2012 5:57:49 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: chessplayer

Typical leftist arrogance...


8 posted on 02/08/2012 5:57:53 PM PST by citizencon
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9 posted on 02/08/2012 5:58:30 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: chessplayer

Funny when Bush introduced policies to secure the nation from terrorism, the folks at the Wash. Post, and other liberal rags, waved the constitution in our faces and told us how Bush was shredding it—without showing in any way how he had done so. Now Obama truly does shred the constitution, and it’s “Maybe Obama’s right and the framers were wrong.” If Obama proposed to end free speech, the MSM Obama lapdogs would find a way to justify it.


10 posted on 02/08/2012 6:01:06 PM PST by MissesBush (Raising taxes on an economy in a death spiral is like taking up smoking when you have emphysema)
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To: chessplayer


11 posted on 02/08/2012 6:01:26 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: chessplayer
...and Matthews didn't respond????

The Srs. at Holy Cross must be shaking their heads in shame over what you have become.

12 posted on 02/08/2012 6:01:58 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: chessplayer

13 posted on 02/08/2012 6:02:43 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: ari-freedom

Perhaps the Founders were also wrong about protecting Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, as well...

...and to think that she gets paid for such twaddle...


14 posted on 02/08/2012 6:09:12 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: chessplayer

Perhaps allowing her Freedom of Speech was their first mistake?
It needs a qualifier.
Must have an IQ above 30 and be able to indicate which direction is up....


15 posted on 02/08/2012 6:09:36 PM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: chessplayer

This shows why the US is in danger of full-out sharia.

Something that gets lost in all this is that Muslim women do not have abortions; that is enforced literally by the sword. The only babies that get killed through abortion are infidel babies.

Margaret Sanger was a white-supremacist colleague of Hitler. She told the German Nazis that they were going about things wrong - that if you simply presented the permission to either prevent or kill your own offspring as if it was a great favor to Blacks (the ones whe was interested in exterminating) they would commit genocide on their own race. She said you just have to get some charismatic Black preacher (like Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, etc) to say how having babies was a “punishment” (gag) that holds them down and only the white people would want to deprive them of the right to choose when to be a parent.... and the stupid Blacks would be falling all over themselves to exterminate their race for you.

That’s why Planned Parenthood targeted Blacks.

Well.... the same people who deny that the Holocaust even happened want to exterminate not only the Jews but the Christians also. That includes both Muslims and communists - which have both been allies of both George Soros and his puppet, Obama.

The worldwide caliphate doesn’t come exclusively - or even most often - because of jihad, but because of population. Muslim women have babies; infidels self-exterminate through abortion. That means that soon there are more Muslims voting than infidels, and in that way even such pesky things as Constitutions can be defeated by Islam/sharia.

Gotta go practice accompanying my daughter on the piano. There’s much more that could be said. But this all ties into the push for Islam, forcing all religions to bow to a state religion of sharia, and pushing infidels into dhimmitude (paying a tax that Muslims don’t have to pay, which is exactly the case with Obamacare).


16 posted on 02/08/2012 6:10:52 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: chessplayer

LOL. I’m sure this stupid bimbo would have been real happy to have a state church in America, which is what would have happened if we didn’t have a freedom of religion provision in the Constitution.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 6:11:21 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: chessplayer

That pesky constitution “rearing its ugly head” again,thwarting the valiant efforts of “progressives” who know better than it.


18 posted on 02/08/2012 6:11:33 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: chessplayer

I make this argument with respect to Islam. But the context of that argument is that Islam is not a religion. It is a death cult whose holy books instruct its adherents to kill, maim, and destroy its host country if that country does not submit. That is not the case for any other religion. I don’t agree with Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucism, etc ... But their ‘books’, or creeds don’t instruct their believers to destroy. I suspect the Founding Fathers didn’t make this distinction, because having been at war with the Islamic world for over a thousand years, they probably never dreamed of a day when this scourge would be welcomed with open arms.


19 posted on 02/08/2012 6:11:37 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: ari-freedom

Perhaps the Founders were also wrong about protecting Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, as well...

...and to think that she gets paid for such twaddle...who did she sleep with to get that job, anyway?


20 posted on 02/08/2012 6:11:37 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: chessplayer

If O. could do so, he would try to figure out a way to totally trash the First Amendment. He would do a Henry the 8th and try to setup a one-size-fits-all, state-run “Department of Religion.” ALL churches - Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Holy Roller....whatever - would be required to register with the govt in order to be allowed to EXIST, to hold services, to preach, to teach, to set up their organizations, and to hire and fire personnel. All religious expression in the U.S would be micro-managed from Washington. Those who refused would be subjected to huge fines and/or imprisonment. It would be the ultimate power trip and he would love it. People who deny this possibility are living in la-la land.


21 posted on 02/08/2012 6:31:25 PM PST by Rosie405
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To: castlebrew

When Madison submitted the Bill of Rights to the House he put freedom of the religion alone in his 3rd amendment. Freedom of press and the rest of the modern 1st were lumped in his 4th amendment. His 2nd amendment, regarding congressional pay took nearly 2 centuries to ratify and his 1st, regarding the size of the House, remains unratified but in play. So by the rankings from the Framers we get to shut down the Compost before they get to shut down religion.


22 posted on 02/08/2012 6:35:56 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: chessplayer

I saw that segment on Hardball.

I came out with the sentiment that rare indeed is the Gin and Tonic that this woman has passed unscathed.


23 posted on 02/08/2012 6:38:16 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: chessplayer
some people think it was wrong to give women the vote too... wonder what she'd have to say about that?
24 posted on 02/08/2012 6:43:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: chessplayer

I realize my reply is going to go hard against the grain of everyone reading it, but the time is going to come (too late) when Christians and Jews realize that the guarantee of “free exercise” of Islam to Muslims in the West became the vector that facilitated Islam’s ultimate triumph over The West…..

My opinion, mine only...


25 posted on 02/08/2012 6:47:37 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: chessplayer
Washington Post political writer Melinda Henneberger shockingly stated, Wednesday, that "maybe the Founders were wrong" to guarantee religious liberty.

Well Melinda, maybe the Founders were wrong to guarantee a right to abortion...oh wait, they didn't.

5.56mm

26 posted on 02/08/2012 6:51:09 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: chessplayer

Wow. They still have the ability to shock me.


27 posted on 02/08/2012 7:53:00 PM PST by STJPII
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To: EQAndyBuzz

That is a seriously ironic thought coming in a thread where progressivism, eugenics, and Margret Sanger were mentioned.

Substitute “Blacks” for “Liberals” and you agree 100%.

I think you should reassess your opinion.


28 posted on 02/08/2012 8:01:44 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: chessplayer

Apparently she missed out on the history lessons of religious purges in Europe and elsewhere and does not bother to read the news today of Islamist massacres of the lowly kufir Jews, Christians, and Buddhists who do not accept Mohamhead as their godhead.

The Soviet Communists were right to fear religious believers. Brought down the Evil Empire in the end. HA HA! Atheist Socialists lose! Personal liberty wins.


29 posted on 02/08/2012 8:03:08 PM PST by a fool in paradise (If Obama brings troops home from Japan and Germany he can claim he won WWII finally as well as Iraq.)
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To: The Free Engineer

Liberalism is a mental disorder, but it isn’t a birth condition.

Red doper diaper babyhoods are child abuse.

Do you think neo-nazis should be encouraged to breed and indoctrinate their children in toxic ideology and hate?


30 posted on 02/08/2012 8:08:17 PM PST by a fool in paradise (If Obama brings troops home from Japan and Germany he can claim he won WWII finally as well as Iraq.)
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To: ari-freedom

Perhaps the Founders were also wrong about protecting Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, as well...

...and to think that she gets paid for such twaddle...who did she sleep with to get that job, anyway?


31 posted on 02/08/2012 8:11:52 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: castlebrew

argh...slow response on the “post” button...


32 posted on 02/08/2012 8:31:17 PM PST by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: chessplayer
No maybe about this, the Founders were wrong to not provide ways of expelling the likes of 1960s Marxist-Alinsky campus radicals (spoiled brats, actually) and their ideological issue.

No Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party), no rats.

33 posted on 02/08/2012 8:44:42 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: chessplayer

Sounds like that line was thrown in to placate her Pro-Kill friends, but still a fundamentally egregious suggestion.


34 posted on 02/08/2012 8:55:29 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: chessplayer

Maybe the Founders were wrong about religious freedom.

Maybe pigs will fly, too.

And, arguably, not only can pigs learn to write, the Post will hire them.


35 posted on 02/08/2012 9:06:48 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: chessplayer

May she rot in hell.


36 posted on 02/08/2012 9:07:55 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Liberals shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

Don’t know how much clearer I can be.”

That line of thought leads to really bad places.

However, one can remove the franchise of Liberals based on the clear and unambiguous reality that any acts/belief systems which encourage or advocate unconstitutional behavior
is seditious.

Let Liberals pay taxes, but do not let them vote.

PS Don’t let them hold office.


37 posted on 02/08/2012 9:11:30 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: chessplayer

Then there was that little jerk Washington Post editorial writer Charles Lane on the Fox panel tonight, with his typical last minute parting shot - “we still have to look at the fact that the Catholic Church can’t tell the federal government how to spend its money” (hint, Charles, they can when the government is trying to spend the money to prohibit the free exercise of religion - read the First Amendment some time when you’re not running your mouth).......


38 posted on 02/08/2012 9:26:23 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: chessplayer

Religious freedom was the reason the first settlers traveled across the dangerous Atlantic to build lives in the New World.WTH is wrong with the writer ignoring this?


39 posted on 02/08/2012 9:54:32 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: chessplayer

Hey Melinda Henneberger, one of the major reasons folks made the harrowing trip to the “new land” was to seek religious freedom.
YOU DOPE.
Course you gots to be an ignorant as you work for the Washington post.


40 posted on 02/09/2012 4:44:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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