Skip to comments.Insider Advantage Poll - Florida (Newt 34, Mitt 25)
Posted on 01/22/2012 8:24:17 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
Gingrich 34.4 Romney 25.6
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GO NEWT GO......
I don't know where that idea is coming from Zero is the most beatable president since Jimmy. Just about anyone could beat Zero, hell I could beat Zero, no sweat.
Coulter is on her second box of wine tonight.
Pray for America
Romney is going full negative on Newt and has now taken up the job his SuperPACs were doing before. This is certainly the sign of a desperate candidate. I don’t know if it will stick. My feeling is him rattling off a long series of accusations will make him look worse than Newt, and none of them will really stick.
Newt will probably have to explain some of these, like why he resigned from the House right after winning reelection. From what I can tell, Newt resigned because they got bad election results in 1998 and they would have voted him out as Speaker because of it. He apparently didn’t want to remain as a regular House member, but I think that’s only natural for anyone. The resignation came almost 2 years after the ethics charges were dismissed/settled, so it has nothing to do with them, but Mitt seems to be trying to make it sound like the ethics charges resulted directly in Newt’s resignation.
This new article starts out with nasty, nasty stuff from Mitt and Politico doesn’t even try to sugar coat it...
Politico: Mitt Romney: Newt Gingrich is a failed leader, disgrace
Also, Romney was on Huckabee Sunday night, who IMO gave him very leading questions geared up to give him mile-wide openings to bash Newt, questions that it sounded like the Romney campaign provided to him. Romney opened up attacks on Newt the kind of which he has never done personally before, adopting a lot of the messages that only his SuperPAC had used before. Ethics violations, $300,000 settlement, 35 years as a Washington insider, lobbying for 15 years, working for health care companies, lobbying for Medicare Part D, taking $1.6 million from Freddie Mac for being a historian, sitting on the couch with Pelosi for climate change legislation, his House members turning on him, being kicked out of the House, erratic leadership, etc. Romney got all of that out in 2 minutes or less.
me too ;)
But, have you smoked a carton of Pall Malls too?
Don't think they're fixing to shine again anytime soon.
They have greatly underestimated true conservatives and the tea party.
Don’t bet on it!
“They have greatly underestimated true conservatives and the tea party.
They have not only underestimated. They have misunderestimated!
Come ON Florida!
GO TEA Party!!!
All fantastic news. But brace for the inevitable. The GOPestablishmentliberaldemoncratprogressive machine is going to pull out all the stops and pull something SO horrific, SO unexpected, so unbelievably evil to try to bring Newt down— well, just be ready for it, comrades.
Gird your loins, as we’ve heard it said.
Shut up! The numbers have completely flipped overnight! Wow...Now that is amazing.
Believe it or not, I started to write it like that, LOL.
Are you serious? Woohoo! Go Newt!
We gotta stop Mitt. He and the establishment will be fighting like a rabid dog. They see it slipping away.
Me three ;)
One reason I haven't agreed that Santorum should leave the race. Theoretically all the evangelicals who just won't vote for Newt are more likely to go for Santorum than Romney. If he leaves, then I thought Romney might benefit. Seems to be supported by the polls.
If Mitt collapses in FL mark my words you will see Chris Christie or Mitch Daniels reconsider their choice not to run. You will also see that RINO fest America United or whatever that Christine Todd Whitman thing rev up for a third party run.
This thing is coming to a head as in BIG TIME!
[GOP E must think that Obama is unbeatable”
I don’t know where that idea is coming from Zero is the most beatable president since Jimmy. Just about anyone could beat Zero, hell I could beat Zero, no sweat.]
In a fair and honest contest, yes. Expect massive fraud and dirty tricks along with the billion dollar machine practicing the politics of personal destruction. And the GOP E are chicken hawks. LOL.
Exactly! One thing I've always admired about Romney is how he's able to keep his composure and maintain an illusion of being above the fray. At times, he almost reminds me of Reagan (can't believe I just admitted that publicly) and I suspect he watched hour upon hour of Reagan footage and has tirelessly tried to adopt his mannerisms.
The trouble he has now is that he's NOT Ronald Reagan and he is damned if he maintains his facade and damned if he starts swinging
This should be interesting <-:
“If Mitt collapses in FL mark my words you will see Chris Christie or Mitch Daniels reconsider their choice not to run. You will also see that RINO fest America United or whatever that Christine Todd Whitman thing rev up for a third party run.”
I think that you’re right. The only purpose of these late-comers will be to get a brokered convention, so that the Establishment can nominate someone more ‘electable’ than Newt (you know, like McCain - LOL).
If they pull that stunt, it will be OPEN WARFARE and the Tea Party MUST maintain discipline and carry Newt across the finish line.
...and Druggie-Daniels did just start making noises again, just as Perry dropped out.
Now that the Myth has evaporated, should they put a stake in Newt the base might well switch to Santorum. Hopefully, conservatives will learn to see their power and drop this faithless habit of accepting "whoever can win." WE THE PEOPLE make the candidates that win. We the people, the conservative base, have been accepting whoever our "leaders" tell us to accept for way too long.
This was just Tweeted from a Newt Team if anyone is interested:
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Straw Poll: Who will win the Republican Florida Primary?
Newt Gingrich (45%, 700 Votes)
Mitt Romney (23%, 363 Votes)
Rick Santourm (16%, 257 Votes)
Ron Paul (16%, 251 Votes)
Total Voters: 1,571
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Santorum is not a viable candidate. Sorry.
I think it is time to buy stock in popcorn. The head shrinks will have to diagnose a new 'derangement syndrome' for the DC Beltway and Main Stream Media Establishment crowd. LoL.
FR posted article -
"Schmidt: "Not only are we not moving toward a coalescing of support with the establishment of Newt Gingrich, we're probably moving toward a declaration of war on Newt Gingrich by the Republican establishment. And if Newt Gingrich is able to win the Florida primary, you will see a panic and a meltdown of the Republican establishment that is beyond my ability to articulate in the English language. People will go crazy,"
And you will have this five week period until the Super Tuesday states that will be just as unpredictable, tumultuous as any period in modern American politics. It will be a remarkable thing to watch, should that happen in Florida." "
The Dems and media were on him almost constantly, best I remember. It was also reported on the news that he felt that the media coverage of him was distracting from the things that needed to get done, and he felt that he needed to resign so that legislation could move forward.
Romney has the money..
...but Newt has the hearts and minds of the troops on the ground!
Sorry Mitt, but money alone can’t buy everything.
“-and hello 4 more years of obamanation.”
Really? Methinks not. Newt can be quirky, but fantastically so.
Given Newt’s voting and policy record, more voters will take a chance on him than you might expect. Union folk too!
Obama is defecting from us all.
Romney has the money..
...but Newt has the hearts and minds of the troops on the ground!
Sorry Mitt, but money alone can’t buy everything.
What’s happening is the lies and scurrilous, unsupported insinuations that characterized Romney’s SuperPAC ads are now coming right out of his mouth. He is now trying to say according to the Politico and WashPost articles that because Newt worked for Freddie Mac, and Freddie Mac was instrumental in the housing crisis, that Newt might have had something to do with the housing market collapse and he needs to release his contracts so we can see what he did there.
Wow. Talk about going a bridge too far. Hard to believe many people will be that gullible to think Newt was connected to the housing market collapse.
I can’t see a guy that whines like Santorum as Commander in Chief.
Well, it’s almost identical to the reasons Sarah Palin resigned in that case, since she was being hounded with ethics charges and negative media attention that she said was a distraction. With the possible exception that she wanted to capitalize on her media fame in the entertainment/media industry before her 15 minutes were up.
Money can’t by mitt love.
“Coulter is on her second box of wine tonight.
Pray for America.”
Sad, because I’ve always liked Ann Coulter and wished she was on our side over this.
Does anyone know why she went so nuts over Romney?
I saw that, too! Romney out and out lied about Newt Gingrich’s record, and the whole time he had on his ‘stalker’ smirk.
“Schmidt: GOP Establishment Will Have A Meltdown If Newt Wins Florida”
Jim Geraghty January 23, 2012 4:00 A.M.
What the Sunshine State Will Illuminate
Five key factors in what happened this weekend in the South Carolina primary, and five key factors in what will occur eight days from now in the Florida primary:
One: The rapidity of the Romney collapse. Since the race began to take shape in early-to-mid 2011, Mitt Romney has been mocked for having a glass jaw. In both Iowa and New Hampshire, Romney and his backers could scoff at the claim, pointing out that he had (seemingly) won Iowa and overwhelmingly won New Hampshire, not to mention that polls showed him leading in South Carolina and Florida, as well as nationally. Of the first 40 Republican-primary polls released by any pollster, either nationwide or in any state in 2012, Mitt Romney led 38 of them.
And then POOF! At one point, Romney led Gingrich by ten percentage points in the Real Clear Politics average; on Saturday he lost by twelve percentage points. Nationally, he led Gingrich by 23 in the Gallup national tracking poll; on Sunday, he led Gingrich by five.
Whats even more striking is that the issues that tripped up Romney were so predictable and, seemingly, mundane compared with, say, bombshell claims from an ex-wife or claims of sexual harassment or a seemingly off-the-cuff remark that a vaccine causes retardation. Romney was flayed over both the alleged layoffs at companies purchased and managed by Bain Capital, and the issue of his unreleased tax returns. Both of these topics were big issues not merely in Romneys 2002 gubernatorial campaign, but his 1994 Senate run. How does a candidate get blindsided by 18-year-old handicaps?
Two: How far bashing the mainstream media has taken Newt Gingrich. It was a sly joke on primary night: Will Gingrich thank Marianne Gingrich, Juan Williams, or John King first? But, as with most jokes, we laugh because it contains a kernel of truth.
Juan Williams suggested that, because the African-Americans he heard from were offended by Gingrichs comments about inner-city youth, the former speaker owed them an apology. Newt slam-dunked it, sneering that liberals cannot handle facts that are inconvenient, such as the number of Americans who on food stamps during Obamas presidency. The knee-jerk accusations of racism are perhaps the aspect of the modern Left that infuriates grassroots conservatives most, and, in Gingrich, they saw the fearless, unapologetic rebuke to that thinking they had been yearning to hear for years.
Marianne Gingrichs claim, and John Kings opening debate question about it, should have, on paper, created bigger headaches for Gingrich. But the former speaker knows, as almost any Republican with any memory from before 2008 knows, that these stories have a context. Nearly every conservative marveled at the medias excuse-making for Bill Clinton throughout his presidency, the astonishing disinterest in John Edwardss philandering on the 2004 campaign trail, and the ridiculous way Eliot Spitzer was seemingly instantly rewarded with a prime-time television show. Newts response was, in effect, that the only reason King and the rest of the media cares about his ex-wifes claims is that he is a Republican, not that it is inherently newsworthy.
Of course, Gingrichs dudgeon leaves a few questions open: If a former spouse of a presidential candidate makes a head-turning claim, should the media not report it? Should they not ask the candidate about it? And, if its outrageous to make this topic the first question of the debate, how many minutes into the debate should the subject have been broached?
Gingrich even cast his victory as a message to the media in his victory speech on Saturday night: In the two debates that we had here in Myrtle Beach and then in Charleston people reacted so strongly to the news media. I think it was something very fundamental that I wish the powers that be in the news media would take seriously.
A great many Republicans believe that the media is their real foe, or at least that the media is primarily responsible for Obamas victory in 2008. But voters outside the Republican base may be much, much less concerned with the issue of media bias, and its doubtful that the low-information independent and swing voters who tend to decide elections share that fury.
Three: The continuing irrelevance of Iowa. In the Hawkeye State, Rick Santorum pulled off the most unlikely of upsets, presented a feel-good underdog story in the first major contest of the 2012 cycle, and . . . he saw a relatively small impact on his numbers in New Hampshire. (They were raised from about 3 percent to 9 percent). Perhaps that can be explained historically: Iowa and New Hampshire rarely agree, and Granite State Republicans are usually extremely reluctant to confirm Iowas choice. But in South Carolina, Santorum jumped from 3 percent to 20 percent . . . and then slid down to around 12 percent in the final polls, finishing with an acceptable but uninspiring 17 percent on Saturday night.
Santorum seems to be repeating the experience of Mike Huckabee, who also couldnt translate an Iowa win into many significant victories in the subsequent states. This cycle has given critics of Iowas prominence a great deal of ammunition, but even if the states turnout had been higher and the count had been clear and no ballots had been lost, a definite pattern would remain: The rest of the country just isnt all that enamored with the candidates Iowa likes best. Perhaps the states love of retail politicking and lavish personal attention from candidates is to blame, since candidates obviously cant duplicate their 99-county tours in subsequent states.
Four: Ron Pauls Achilles heel is not his foreign-policy views, it is closed primaries. Ron Pauls support among veterans in South Carolina, according to exit polls, was 12 percent. His support overall: 13 percent.
That said, Ron Paul won 21.4 percent of the vote in the open caucus and 22.9 percent in the open primary, and then tumbled to just 13 percent in South Carolinas closed primary. Open presidential primaries remain in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Hawaii, Indiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Other states are considered semi-closed or permit voters to change their party affiliation on Election Day.
Ron Paul is going to end the 2012 Republican presidential primary with a big pile of delegates. He came in second in ten states last cycle and third in 17 others. (Delegate-allocation rules for each state can be found here.)
Five: South Carolina presented the Republican-turnout surge weve been waiting for. At first glance, the stage seems set for a GOP fired up like never before: A president who many Republicans see as the breathing embodiment of liberalism sits in the Oval Office; an energetic grassroots movement to fight back spontaneously formed in the tea parties; the 2009 races in New Jersey and Virginia, the special election in Massachusetts, and the 2010 midterms all showed that Republicans can win (and win big) almost anywhere when they tap into that passion; the presidents record consists of enormously unpopular nationalized health care and a stimulus that didnt make a dent in high unemployment. Throw in scandals such as those involving Solyndra and Fast and Furious, and Obamas presidency represents the nightmare that every Republican would presumably be highly motivated to end.
The good news for Republicans is that, in 2012, turnout has been modestly higher, but less than one might think in this seeming perfect storm for conservative outrage. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the modest increases over the 2008 records appeared to have been driven mostly by Ron Pauls not-really-Republican voters.
But in South Carolina, that energized grassroots finally appeared at polling places in big numbers: With 13 precincts still uncounted Sunday morning, 601,166 votes already were recorded, topping 2000s record turnout of 537,101 and well ahead of 2008s 445,499 voters. Earlier in the week, officials had projected a moderate turnout about equivalent to the 2008 primary. Both Gingrich and Romney won more votes than John McCain did when he won the state in 2008.
Five thoughts about the Republican presidential primarys next big contest: Florida, on January 31.
One: So far, this election cycle is validating state efforts to move their primaries earlier. Each cycle, candidates, campaigns, media, and voters lament that the campaigns start ever earlier and that the general-election battle stretches on for too many months. But not only has no force in politics figured out how to stop this trend, but the current punishments imposed by the Republican National Committee have no significant effect.
The RNC punished five states that went too early by taking away half their delegates New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, Arizona, and Michigan and yet no candidate pursued these states voters any less intently. Nor are there signs that anyone within those states seems to mind. (Iowa does not lose its delegates, because they are not officially allocated until the state convention in June.) The candidates showered New Hampshire with as much attention with twelve delegates at stake as they would have with 24 delegates at stake.
What is coming to fruition is what we hoped for when we moved Floridas date up to January 31, said state representative Dean Cannon, the speaker of the Florida house of representatives. The first three states are effectively whittling down the field, and Florida will be the one that ultimately decides the nominee. We are raising Floridas prominence in deciding the nominee.
Supporters of Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman, and Rick Perry outside the first three states never got a chance to cast a meaningful vote for their candidate. While all of the remaining candidates declare theyre in it for the long haul, those pledges can turn to vapor. (See Huntsmans declaration in New Hampshire that he had a ticket to ride.) The race will undoubtedly go on beyond Florida, but the Sunshine State will either reestablish Romney as the frontrunner, or deliver a devastating defeat.
Two: Running for president in Florida is on an entirely different scale than the preceding states. South Carolina represents the end of the primary seasons period of retail politicking. Last cycle, roughly 800,000 people voted in the GOP contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina; and then 1.9 million voted in the Republican primary in Florida. Already this year, the number of absentee ballots mailed in ( 185,000) exceeds the total number of votes in this years Iowa caucus (122,000). Moreover, Florida has 4 million registered Republicans.
Were incredibly diverse, the fourth most populous state in the country, and you have to run a real broad-based popular campaign organization, grassroots, media, TV, phones, the works, Cannon says. Were an extraordinarily diverse state, economically, demographically and geographically. Youll see everything in Florida, from debates about controlling federal spending to Social Security to national defense we have a large number of military bases to strong views on immigration. We are a great composite of every major issue that will confront the nominee in a national campaign.
Three: Expect attention to return to the economy, particularly the housing market. While South Carolina had high unemployment rates, Florida Republicans are likely to be even more focused on jobs and the economy, particularly the troubles in the housing market, the high rate of foreclosures, and the overall difficulty Americans have in buying and selling homes.
As Bloomberg reported, Floridas economic health has declined by 12.4 percent since the first quarter of 2009, when Obama was inaugurated, according to the Bloomberg Economic Evaluation of States. The states home prices have declined 22.5 percent in the period. Mind you, by 2008, the housing bubble had already burst.
Four: Expect Newt Gingrich to be aiming squarely at retirees. Newt Gingrichs best age demographic in Iowa: those 65 and older (17 percent, second only to Romney).
Newt Gingrichs best age demographic in New Hampshire: those 65 and older (14 percent, third behind Romney and Huntsman).
Newt Gingrichs best age demographic in South Carolina: those 65 and older (47 percent, winning by a wide margin).
In 2008, one third of Floridas Republican primary electorate was age 65 or older. Romney lost that demographic; he garnered 31 percent of the vote, compared with 41 percent for John McCain.
Five: Primary Day is really Primary Week. As mentioned above, early and absentee voting has been swift. Perhaps 10 percent of all of the Florida primarys ballots were filled out before the South Carolina results.
Early voting began on Saturday, which means that at least one days worth of early votes were cast before news of Gingrichs big win arrived last night.
With early voting continuing through Saturday, the impact of late-breaking arguments, debate performances, television commercials, charges, gaffes, and other events lessens slightly with each passing day.
Thus, if Romney and Gingrich intend to go on the attack, there is no point in delaying: The pool of persuadable GOP-primary voters will shrink slightly each day. Expect fireworks at Mondays debate on NBC. On Thursday, CNN hosts another, which may be the last shot for whoever is in second place in this weeks polls to close the gap.
Jim Geraghty writes the Campaign Spot on NRO.
What Gingrich’s S.C. Romney-stomping means for FL’s ‘battle royale’
Mitt needs a new campaign theme song:
The Beatles - Can’t Buy Me Love (Live)
It’s tough to be a warrior for the people. Newt knew exactly what he was in for. He has been very determined. I don’t think he’ll quit, they’ll have to take him out.JMO.
I was just referring to him resigning in 1998. I definitely don’t think he’ll quit the primary unless they have to carry him out on a stretcher. I think he’s battle-tested from the ‘90s and ready to deal with anything that’s thrown at him.
Newt needs to refer to these statements by Romney when Romney brings up the housing collapse and Freddie Mac:
Romney says foreclosures should “hit the bottom”
In an interview published Tuesday ahead of presidential debate, Romney told Las Vegas Review Journal’s editorial board that solving the foreclosure crisis would require letting banks proceed against homeowners who have defaulted on their mortgages. New investors could then rent out the homes until markets adjusted.
“As to what to do for the housing industry specifically and are there things that you can do to encourage housing: One is, don’t try to stop the foreclosure process. Let it run its course and hit the bottom,” Romney said.
He's also destroyed his political career.