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Santorum and Gingrich Scramble for the Conservative Vote
nytimes.com ^ | January 15, 2012, 12:20 pm | MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

WASHINGTON — Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romney’s march to the Republican presidential nomination.

Mr. Santorum said the Republican contest needed to quickly narrow to a two-person race between Mr. Romney and someone else, but he declined to explicitly call on the other candidates to drop out.

“I’m not going to tell anybody to get in or out of a race; I think that’s their decision to make,” Mr. Santorum said on Fox News Sunday. But he added, “We need to get this eventually down to a conservative alternative to Mitt Romney.”

Mr. Santorum said the vote of support for his candidacy by Christian conservative leaders on Saturday in Texas should persuade Republicans in South Carolina that he deserves to be that alternative.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: alternative; conservative; gingrich; mitt4romney; mittromney; newtgingrich; notromney; ricksantorum; romney4romney; santorum; southcarolina; vote
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To: BenKenobi

I read that Susana Martinez likes to shoot guns and holds a conceal carry permit so the MSM will call her fat and that she clings to her bible and guns while they overlooked MO’s BFass.


151 posted on 01/15/2012 3:51:47 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: dfwgator
If we say ‘hello’ to four more years of Obama; then we can as readily; say ‘Good-bye’ to America and for as many years; as we might imagine in our worst nightmare. Not sure what part of ‘irretrievable’ many Repubs do not get. The handwriting is far beyond the ‘wall’; our Constitution is being dismantled; as we speak!
152 posted on 01/15/2012 3:52:03 PM PST by cricket (<I>Obama the Occupyer</I> must go. . .and Newt must win. . .)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

As she is a TX gal, I think I’m obligated to kick the ass of everyone who calls her fat.

I’m sure it’s in the TX constitution.


153 posted on 01/15/2012 3:53:59 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rick Santorum - "The Force is strong with this one")
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To: mylife
“If I were voting today it would be for Santorum.” TGO Mark Levin 1/10/2012
154 posted on 01/15/2012 3:56:45 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Newt Rick or Rick cuz four more with the Twit will put America in the....")
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To: altura
Speaking of getting out, I’m wondering about Ron Paul. I don’t wish him ill, but he’s old and he looks horrible. He’s suddenly gone back to Texas and no one knows why. If he should drop out for health reasons, I wonder who would get his votes. He has a lot of them right now.

Obama, the only person who hates America near as much as the surrender monkey does.
155 posted on 01/15/2012 4:14:00 PM PST by John D
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To: TitansAFC
I respectfully ask that you reconsider.

I think Rick Santorum ought to sit down and reconsider. Same for Rick Perry.

Neither of them has the voter support to knock off Mitt Romney in South Carolina, and by both of them pig-headedly staying in the race, one or both of them will ensure that Romney becomes the nominee, thus giving us four more years of Obama.

To anyone thinking of responding, I'm well past the vetting stage with all of the candidates, so please don't bother trying to make the case for Santorum or Perry based on that.

The fate of our country may hinge on what happens in this one primary state next Saturday. It's time to drop the egos, the promises, the back room deals, or whatever else is muddying people's vision, and rally around the one candidate who can, will, and by all rights should defeat Romney and Obama - Newt Gingrich.

156 posted on 01/15/2012 4:25:08 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: bereanway
Perry is far and away the most solid of any candidate on this issue. He takes a sledgehammer to the issue.

Good to hear; a sledgehammer is what it needs. . .does that make Perry a viable candidate for President; a job that includes 'world acumen' as well? Don't think so; unless you think the site of Obama chewing Perry up in a debate; and spitting him out; is a winning strategy for Repubs.

(Sorry; but Perry is STILL flubbing his lines; and getting his info wires crossed. He needs to go back to Texas; where they need him; and he can help Conservatives, from 'afar'. . .)

157 posted on 01/15/2012 4:43:39 PM PST by cricket (<I>Obama the Occupyer</I> must go. . .and Newt must win. . .)
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To: BenKenobi
Santorum polls better vs Obama than Newt, btw <<

Yup...All the liberals I know told me that too!....They'd vote for Rick over Newt if it were just the 2 or ‘em!!...

That tells me alot about liberal thinking...and even more about how I should vote!

158 posted on 01/15/2012 5:16:36 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: BenKenobi

“Oh, BTW - Just so you know.....” it’s screw you.


159 posted on 01/15/2012 5:42:11 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: altura
Nothing would ever be built without eminent domain.

Equine feces. The Great Northern Railroad was built entirely without it, nor with government land grants.

It doesn’t take that much land and the owners are well compensated.

Bull. The number of cases of redevelopment agencies using eminent domain to deny speculative value are so numerous as to become legendary.

The TTH was a bright idea and showed Rick Perry’s thinking outside the box as they say.

It was inside the pocket, not outside the box.

Perry took chances when he believed in something. He’s taken chances with a couple of stances in this race, as when he wouldn’t support corn gasoline in Iowa just to get votes. Santorum did.

That's laudable and was noted. I guess I place his pandering for demographic suicide a little higher than you.

He knows he’s taken an unpopular stance on the troops also, but it’s what he believes. He doesn’t trust Iran and he doesn’t think our troops should have given years of their lives only to be pulled out as a political ploy.

But once out of Iraq, it's not our decision whether to go back in without setting one very ugly precedent.

160 posted on 01/15/2012 5:45:45 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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161 posted on 01/15/2012 6:09:57 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Carry_Okie

I don’t agree with you on anything, but I’m too tired to fight tonight.

Maybe tomorrow.


162 posted on 01/15/2012 6:33:53 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

PNE OF THEM NEEDS TO GET OUT AND STOP SPLITTING THE CONSERVATIVE VOTE

Perry is done and needs to drop out tomorrow and we then can stop the establishment from getting their guy.


163 posted on 01/15/2012 7:56:00 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Rick Perry talks way too fast and and appears to be extremely bright.

And what a stellar memory!

Seriously, Folks in SC...if you’re thinking about voting for Perry or Santorum you might as well save some time and vote directly for Willard.


164 posted on 01/15/2012 8:45:10 PM PST by proudpapa
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To: cricket
Rationalize anything? So; he figured out the 'global warming' scam - and better late than never.. .Have you heard Perry on this? Mitt?

Oh it's a bit more than AGW, consider (hat tip to AuntB):

“When I first ran for Congress I was the natural candidate of most environmental groups…” Newt Gingrich, “Winning The Future,” Page 168

“If the United States challenged Europe and Japan to join it in financing a world biodiversity refuge system and tied foreign aid into the process of maintaining biodiversity, we could probably save a very high percentage of the earth’s biological richness…” Newt Gingrich, “Winning The Future,” Pages 170-171

“As a young professor at West Georgia College, I taught in the second Earth Day in 1971 and coordinated an interdisciplinary environmental studies program.” Newt Gingrich, “Real Change,” Page 196

“That is why I worked so diligently as Speaker of the House to protect the Endangered Species Act, historic legislation that has been mired in controversy…The Endangered Species Act is an excellent example of the value of civility, consultation and collaboration.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages XII & 51

“For that reason, we have supported its (the Endangered Species Act’s) continuation against all challenges by private citizens, interest groups, and congressional opponents.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 53

“The U.S. government operates endowments for the humanities and the arts…Perhaps, it is time we consider a new endowment for conservation and the environment.” “Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 115-116 [NOTE: As Speaker, Gingrich told conservatives he wanted to eliminate the wasteful National Endowment for the Arts. Now he cites it as an example of a government spending spree that needs to be duplicated.]

“Significant resources should be set aside to protect hallowed sites such as the Galapagos Islands, the Virguna Volcanoes in Central Africa, and Georgia’s Okenfenokee Swamp, to name a few.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 117

Where does that end?

John Muir, for most of his adult life, experienced nature in spiritual overtones…He even favored using the armed forces to enforce environmental law…However, with the inexorable advance of the urban realm, the defense of forested land assumes a greater urgency as we strive to sustain the highest-quality standards for our nation’s air, water, and land.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 127

“Our national parks and wildlife reserves require more vigorous protection. With an eye toward strengthening his environmental legacy in the 2007 federal budget, President Bush requested the largest increase for national park funding in our nation’s history. We should expect nothing less than excellence from our national park system.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 130-131

“Far from becoming a new source of global discord, environmentalism, which binds nations to a common concern, will be the best thing that’s ever happened to international relations.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 149-150

“We will need to organize a series of high-level global conferences that focus on specific [environmental] problems…” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 158

“…the type of arduous research that produces real breakthroughs can only be funded by astute governments.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 167

“America used to be that kind of government [that spent millions of tax dollars on “energy research” welfare programs,] but our commitments have wavered in recent years so government incentives for energy research will be issues in future political campaigns.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 1 +667

“Mobilizing other countries to join us will not be as easy as it may appear. Many of the countries that signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol are lagging behind on their commitments.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 168

“The act [Endangered Species Act] has been, by any measure, a very successful guardian of wildlife and habitat and any attempt to weaken it should be resisted.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 170

“…our children, according to Louv, run the risk of acquiring ‘nature deficit disorder,’ a malady that he describes as a contributing factor to a recognized mental health construct, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. Nature deficit disorder, not yet acknowledged by scientists or clinicians, is a working hypothesis that Louv believes helps to explain the onset of ADHD, and he proposes that exposure to nature should be offered as a therapy for children who have difficulty attending to stimuli and learning in conventional classrooms. His call for research in this domain is compelling.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 182

“Local governments operate much closer to the origin of environmental problems, and they have begun to provide tax incentives and large cash rewards for environmental compliance…While the motivation is driven by the application of tax dollars, the effect is rewarding rather than punitive…” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 194

“…our government, at all levels, must be modernized to successfully partner, let alone compete, with the private sector.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 196

“In spite of the demonstrated liberal leanings in academia, we have nothing but respect for the nation’s scientists. They represent America’s best hope to protect the environment. We support a dramatic increase in science and technology research and development because we desperately need to understand global climate change and other environmental phenomena.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 201

“Needless to say, an appropriate and significant investment of public and private funding to renew the earth will pay dividends.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 202

Now, lest you think I don't give a crap about the Environment, you couldn't be more wrong. I have been restoring native plant habitat to an unprecedented degree for twenty years, gratis, upaid, that's ZERO tax dollars. Our grasslands have achieved (I am told by the director of the local arboretum and the President of the California Native Grasslands Association) to a degree of purity unmatched in North America.

I regard the environmental philosophy of "preserving nature," in other words, NO PEOPLE, as espoused by our universities and adopted by Mr. Gingrich, is perhaps the most destructive idea in human history. What was once a continent managed intensively by people for thousands of years is to be abandoned to "nature" out of the wishful thinking that so many exotic introductions won't destroy native biodiversity, all evidence to the contrary.

Which is why I've written two books on the topic.

So, if you think for one minute I'll accept a lame hand-wave like that from you, well, you can forget that idea.

We know Newt can lead; and that he can debate; and hold his own with world Leadership. We know his vision for America.

No we don't know his vision, because he is an opportunist who will turn on a dime. Oh but he'll have a great explanation!

Good Grief; Reagan was not perfect; nor a saint; nor Bush, for that matter; why does any Repub imagine we must have a Saint? Certainly, NONE exists per running for 'this' job. Nor, should we want one, for that matter.

Oh, so it's "character doesn't count"? Where did I hear that before... I think it was 1992...

165 posted on 01/15/2012 9:26:36 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: TitansAFC
" Why is it Santrorum voters are perfectly content to voting for the guy who is way behind Romney instead of strategically voting for the guy who is statistically tied with Romney? I asked this same question in 2008, when Huckabee tried riding a strong Iowa finish through an entire national primary process. " ..............

Right, right, right, bla, bla, bla, that's all we hear from the Newt Toots.

" But, but, Newt is ahead statistically in the polls and can beat Romney " but, the Newt Toots bash the very same polls if your guy Newt is not ahead of the lower tier canidates.

Yeah, we know how you guy's play this game...


You keep harping like a broken record about how Newt can beat Romney, but fail to actually look at the real votes.

Santorum actually won in Iowa ( but, Iowa does not matter unless Newt actually won ) .

Yeah, Santorum needs to get out because Newt is better, bla, bla, bla... forgetting that Santorum beats Newt in delegates, and actual votes....
NH was basically a tie between Newt and Santorum.

" But, But, But, Newt will win SC !! "

Yeah, that's according to the very same polls that YOU GUYS bash, unless ? Newt is ahead in the polls... you guys are so pathetic.

I hope by the grace of God that not only Rick Santorum beats Romney in SC... but, that Rick Santorum beats Newt by a wide margin in SC so you guys will shut up...
Even if Rick Santorum goes on and wins SC and Florida, you guys will still be whining that Rick needs to drop out and Newt should be the nominee.


166 posted on 01/15/2012 10:16:56 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Blah blah blah Iowa blah blah blah

Same Iowa sh*t, different election. Presidents Robertson, Huckabee, and Gramm will see you now.

Iowa is a JOKE and ALWAYS is. Only suckers try to turn an Iowa bump into a nomination. It’s the Fool’s Gold of the GOP Primary season, and has been for a long time.

Every freaking election, same sh*t.


167 posted on 01/15/2012 10:25:46 PM PST by TitansAFC (Rick Santuckabee is 2012's version of Mike Huckatorum. Avoid Conservicide voting; support Newt!!)
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To: TitansAFC
" Iowa is a JOKE and ALWAYS is. Only suckers try to turn an Iowa bump into a nomination. It’s the Fool’s Gold of the GOP Primary season, and has been for a long time. "

Righhhhhhhhht, keep telling yourself that, ... it would be a totally different story if Newt came out ahead in Iowa...
What a way to treat the voters of the midwest and Iowa... bash them until you need their votes....
The American Idol presidential candidate Newt.. he's so awesome, so brilliant, in your eyes ( the Newt supporters ) he is so awesome that he is god like.... but guess what ? Pride goes before a fall.... the bible says so...
And go ahead and bash " Those Social Cons " ... that is ? until you need their votes....
We get it, we get it, YOU SOCIAL CONS need to get at the back of the bus , sit down and shut up.... yeah, we get it.... the message we get is ? " We don't need God in the GOP " ... so go ahead and ignore the social cons at your own peril..
168 posted on 01/15/2012 10:40:07 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC
Hey ? why should you care anyway ? as YOU GUYs have said that our guy does not have a chance, so I don't have a horse in this race.....

169 posted on 01/15/2012 10:55:01 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC
So what are the Newt supporters going to say about SC ( the one state that Newt will supposently make his stand ) IF ? Newt does not do well there ?

What you going to say ? SC is bad, SC is a joke, onto Florida yeah ! go Newtie ! head onto Florida !!
170 posted on 01/15/2012 11:23:22 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Carry_Okie

"This way please Mr. Gingrich" The other folks at the home miss you."

171 posted on 01/16/2012 7:42:34 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Happy Rain

I hope you are correct in your beliefs


172 posted on 01/16/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: gogogodzilla

IIRC Huntsman got out this morning...tossing his support to Romney.


173 posted on 01/16/2012 12:13:50 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Super PAC War: FEC Data Indicates Only Gingrich Can Afford to Keep Up With Romney
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2833292/posts


174 posted on 01/16/2012 12:46:34 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Well, then. The choice is clear.

If you want a small-government conservative that isn’t a loon...

...you have to throw out Romney, Paul, and Santorum.

Leaving Newt and Perry.

And if you don’t trust Newt... then your choice has been made for you with Perry being the only one of the candidates thatfits the bill.

One may not like his ‘heartless’ comment... but there are no other choices left.


175 posted on 01/16/2012 2:44:35 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla
Newt or Perry would make fine presidents. Santorum is less exciting than cleaning the litter box and he stands NO chance of winning anything.

Alas, if only Santorum had the wisdom and love of country to GTFO of the running.

176 posted on 01/16/2012 3:16:12 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
WASHINGTON — Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich both pleaded with conservatives on Sunday to unite behind their candidacies in a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romney’s march to the Republican presidential nomination.

Not even 5% of the delegates have been awarded and the MSM is portrying South Carolina as a "last-ditch effort"?

My God the MSM is scared that Mittens is not going to get the nomination.
177 posted on 01/16/2012 6:40:57 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

I agree but in Fla. a campaign needs bucks and the only candidate with bucks-Perry is down in the polls.Yet many will scream for all but Newt to get out.The super Pacs are confusing.


178 posted on 01/16/2012 9:05:33 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
I agree but in Fla. a campaign needs bucks and the only candidate with bucks-Perry is down in the polls.Yet many will scream for all but Newt to get out.The super Pacs are confusing.

Actually Perry has been burning through a lot of money with Iowa and SC. He's not even close to what he had earlier last year.

The Super PACs are confusing, but making things interesting. Romney, Gingrich, and even Perry and Santorum have well-funded Super PACs, and at least Romney, Gingrich, and Perry have some folks with very deep pockets tossing money into those Super PACs.

I don't necessarily like them, but I don't want a situation like what Romney wants where limits are taken off of individual contributions to campaigns. That invites the richest or most well-funded to walk away with the nomination, and let's face, the establishment GOP has the kind of money that they could use to pigeon-hole Conservatives.
179 posted on 01/16/2012 9:23:54 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Santorum is no conservative. Just examine his voting record.

No one still in the race is any more conservative.


180 posted on 01/16/2012 9:41:40 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Anyone who would violate private property rights by using eminent domain for the benefit of a foreign corporation is an opportunist, not a conservative.

I think traitor is a better term for that kind of action of course i’d use traitor to describe using eminent domain for American corporations as well. It’s funny, when a corporation is selling something they want what ever the market will bear but they won’t pay the price to acquire land in many cases.


181 posted on 01/16/2012 9:49:21 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Cannot challenge Newt as 'inauthentic' when it comes to his love of animals and safe habitats. No doubt; you aware that when he was ten years old; he went to his City Council to petition for a 'zoo' - in his hometown of Harrisburg, Pa.; and that he wanted to be a 'zoo director' or a paleontologist when he grew up. (As it happens; to our greater benefit; he also fell in love with history and our Constitution.)

Why go back and 'pick bones' from twenty or thirty years ago? No question; some of his views have changed; and no question as well; for as extreme as you would like to paint him; he nonetheless; never lost touch with his belief in Capitalism or our Constitution.

/Here; a review comment from Amazon per Newt's- shared authorship - 'Contract with the Earth':

The authors alternately brand their approach mainstream and entrepreneurial environmentalism—mainstream because it rejects alarmist projections based on what they perceive as activist science and hysterical journalism, and entrepreneurial because they reject the notion that free enterprise and a cleaner world are opposing forces.

Book ultimately; a disappointment to hard-core environmentalists.

Newt is not only a 'teacher' but a student; who continues to learn and evolve. His leadership; by his record; cannot be honestly challenged.

Great you wrote two books; Newt has written 'many'; many books; and suggest if you read even a few of them; while you may find something to 'pick'; as likely; you would find a great deal more, that is substantial and meaningful.

Newt's appreciation of American and world history; has him determinedly on the 'right side' of it; and he is determined that we not embrace and revisit the worst of it.

Attacking his 'character' because you imagine his views do not somehow comport with American ideals is just an error in the making; but of course; you are entitled to you opinion.

182 posted on 01/17/2012 6:26:08 AM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: gogogodzilla
There are many Repubs in Texas who recognize Perry as a 'bobblehead'. It works for Texas; it will not work for 'world leadership'; particularly when the 'gateway' requires debating skills. Unfair; maybe; but we know what they say about life being fair. . .
183 posted on 01/17/2012 6:31:49 AM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: cricket
Book ultimately; a disappointment to hard-core environmentalists.

That's like hard core Marxists saying that fascists are "right wing."

Compare Newt's reviews to mine.

Newt is not only a 'teacher' but a student; who continues to learn and evolve. His leadership; by his record; cannot be honestly challenged.

Then he could learn something from me. The first thing I would tell him is that this continent is an anthropogenic landscape; i.e., his whole idea of "preserving nature" is a destructive paradigm. Worse, trying to care for land through government is inevitably to put control of ALL resources in the hands of the politically dominant, usually the extremely wealthy.

Attacking his 'character' because you imagine his views do not somehow comport with American ideals is just an error in the making; but of course; you are entitled to you opinion.

Anyone who demonstrably and repeatedly violates his most solemn oath before ending those agreements is ultimately untrustworthy. Newt is so hungry for power and acknowledgment that he will do whatever it takes to attain both. Remember: even Zero thinks that what he is doing is for our own good.

184 posted on 01/17/2012 8:03:52 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: cricket

I’m just sayin’ that the number of candidates that aren’t a lunatics or Romney is dwindling.

And if want a small government in Washington, you can’t countenance Santorum.

Which leaves just Newt or Perry.

And for those that can’t trust Newt because of the global warming commercial with Pelosi (and for some reason, there are many that won’t)... then those voters have only *ONE* choice left.

Perry is it for ‘em, regardless of how much they didn’t like his ‘heartless’ comment. (and those that didn’t like his ‘heartless’ comment are probably the selfsame thin-skinned idjits that object to Newt because of that commercial)

As for me, I’m happy with either Newt or Perry. Newt has better ideas, but needs someone to sometimes reel him in when he goes too far. And Perry would need a debate coach.

(well, come to think of it, he really wouldn’t if he made President - as how many Presidents go out debating?)


185 posted on 01/17/2012 2:17:08 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Personally; not going to judge Newt on 'two' failed marriages. At least he married - and divorced - them. Not everyone gets it right. Newt came from a tumultuous childhood; sans birth mother; I 'judge not' on this one. I appreciate 'the' Newt; I see today; and what he brings to the table; as our Country implodes from vile agendas and sick, unenlightened leadership. I appreciate what Newt accomplished politically, as Speaker of the House.

Our Country faces such huge problems; and of course; there is no 'PERFECT person' no PERFECT candidate. There are some talented ones; with varying degrees of expertise and unique talents. There is however, ONE candidate; more talented and experienced - and accomplished; than any of the others; and who can articulate (as the others cannot); America's problems; and as well; offer solutions.

Of course; do not expect to sway anyone who cannot discern the authenticity per 'patriot' Newt; versus the attributes of a thoroughly 'fraudulent' human being; one who proudly displays his anti-patriotism and whose truth, is nothing more than an empty Marxist-Alynsky-Maoist suit walking.

(Meantime; and no doubt; you could debate, wisely; knowledgeably with Newt per your expertise and issues; but America is hanging by a thread right now; and 'environmental issues' while saturated in deception and needing dedicated exposure; this issue is not in the pack of immediate, make - or break - agendas that so threaten our nation and our future.)

186 posted on 01/17/2012 2:42:07 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: cricket
America is hanging by a thread right now; and 'environmental issues' while saturated in deception and needing dedicated exposure; this issue is not in the pack of immediate, make - or break - agendas that so threaten our nation and our future.

This is precisely wrong. What the hell do you think is holding us up from developing domestic resources, from oil to rare earth minerals to even FOOD??? If Newt "goes green" on us, as seems likely given his history and propensities, we can kiss off long term national survival, militarily or economically.

187 posted on 01/17/2012 6:20:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: gogogodzilla
And Perry would need a debate coach.

Sorry; but we need leadership that is ready at the 'moment'; to LEAD.. .no debate coach; no coaching per 'on the job training; or coaching per names of foreign countries; their Presidents; customs; protocols; and NO geography lessons; no learning of why NOT to bow to foreign kings. NOOOOOO. No LEADERSHIP training! No PC obligatories. . . No 'Islam for Dummies'! NO 'Learn our Constitution' self-help manuals!

WE should have voted for the one who has 'it'; knows it; and is ready to roll on Day ONE. . .

We have suffered enough embarrassment; loss of 'world face'; loss of confidence; loss of power that invites the worst of power to move against us.

These folks - who are still learning - can do 'other things'. They CANNOT expect to earn the world-class title of President of the United States of America!

All to say; NO freaking 'bobble heads' should apply or try to earn this critical, power position!

Period/end of discussion! (Among others; Rick Perry; are you listening?)

Most of our candidates ARE good; per their 'talk the talk' - though even here; weakness is apparrent. Know the talk; an 'walk the talk'; an MO that DEMANDS authentic leadership.

Can only say. . . 'Go Newt'; may the best man win. I pray he does.

188 posted on 01/17/2012 6:47:28 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: Carry_Okie
If Newt goes Green? Oh, for God's sake; read his platform; and 'get' that his belief in IN America; and not in strategies to destroy it. You think he does not support our Military? Guess you think he is a 'poser' when it comes to protecting our Constitution; as well. A total charlatan, is what you see.

Personally, think your political filter needs cleaning. All too bad; if not ridiculous to the extreme, IMHO.

As I mentioned earlier; anyone who compares Newt to the fraud that is Obama; cannot otherwise be convinced.

Not everyone liked or approved of Winston Churchill either; or Margaret Thatcher; or Ronald Reagan. . .certainly it was not l00% through the gates, without a scratch. . .but there can be no denying their contributions; their greatness; and their positive impact on history.

189 posted on 01/18/2012 9:10:38 AM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: cricket
Oh, for God's sake; read his platform; and 'get' that his belief in IN America; and not in strategies to destroy it.

I DID READ WHAT HE WROTE IN MULTIPLE BOOKS, and I don't give a crap what he says in a primary campaign. Here is the difference between you and me: I don't believe what he says BECAUSE HE IS A PROVEN SERIAL LIAR, and if you don't think it takes a serious degree of dishonesty to carry on a lengthy adultery I've got news for you.

Ask a leftist if they believe in America and they will tell you they will. The question is: In which vision of America do they believe? At that point, you have to look at his WHOLE record and what it says isn't good from a regulatory environmental perspective.

Personally, think your political filter needs cleaning.

I'm not filtering, you are. You are choosing to disregard WHAT HE WROTE IN MULTIPLE BOOKS.

Not everyone liked or approved of Winston Churchill either; or Margaret Thatcher; or Ronald Reagan. . .

This is such an inaccurate analogy as to be dishonest. So congratulations, you're a perfect fit for Newt.

190 posted on 01/18/2012 11:19:34 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing popular indenture since 1832.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Even if Rick Santorum goes on and wins SC and Florida, you guys will still be whining that Rick needs to drop out and Newt should be the nominee.

He should drop out; because he CANNOT win should he stands opposite Obama. I like Rick - but not for Prez. He LOST in home state; like Algore; what the heck qualifies him to be leader of Free World?

191 posted on 01/18/2012 1:22:50 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Even if Rick Santorum goes on and wins SC and Florida, you guys will still be whining that Rick needs to drop out and Newt should be the nominee.

He should drop out; because he CANNOT win should he stands opposite Obama. I like Rick - but not for Prez. He LOST in home state; like Algore; what the heck qualifies him to be leader of Free World?

192 posted on 01/18/2012 1:22:50 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Even if Rick Santorum goes on and wins SC and Florida, you guys will still be whining that Rick needs to drop out and Newt should be the nominee.

He should drop out; because he CANNOT win should he stands opposite Obama. I like Rick - but not for Prez. He LOST in home state; like Algore; what the heck qualifies him to be leader of Free World?

193 posted on 01/18/2012 1:22:50 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Even if Rick Santorum goes on and wins SC and Florida, you guys will still be whining that Rick needs to drop out and Newt should be the nominee.

He should drop out; because he CANNOT win should he stands opposite Obama. I like Rick - but not for Prez. He LOST in home state; like Algore; what the heck qualifies him to be leader of Free World?

194 posted on 01/18/2012 1:22:50 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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To: Carry_Okie
This is such an inaccurate analogy as to be dishonest. So congratulations, you're a perfect fit for Newt.

Better to explain 'why' you think this is dishonest (???). . .

As for Newt; if you cannot vote for someone, because they were 'imperfect' per their marriage - then just say so. I believe 'vows' do mean things; and if the marriage becomes something that is antithetical to those vows and the two people who made them; then there well may be 'no real marriage' to violate. Bigger point; is no can judge a marriage; unless it is your own; and beyond that; see no reason to go there. Newt has matured; found a more meaningful Faith (oh; probably lying here too; so scratch that; as I am sure you will . .)

Newt certainly 'not perfect'; but if you can name a candidate who is; or an esteemed Leader - from anywhere; beyond the Pope - perhaps(?). . .Mother Theresa or the Dali Lama (?) - then please do.

Meantime; to name just a few books by Newt; if he an inveterate liar; then these books would have to so 'laced'. But; of course; in truth; they are not written by a liar; as you would have to otherwise conclude by your premises.

Perhaps, instead of getting totally hung up per your 'anti-Newt' you should try reading more of him or as an author yourself; just try to appreciate his prolific literary contributions. Most people cannot help but be impressed. . .

(No hint of a communist in this woodpile of books; and to name just a few):

These are Times that Try Men's Souls: A Novel of George Washington and the Fight for American Freedom

A Nation Like No Other: Why American Exceptionalism Matters (6/12/2011)

To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine (5/16/2010) by Newt Gingrich

And then there is "Valley Forge"; Gettysburg with co-Author and so many more; that speak to the history - and soul and future - of our Country.

195 posted on 01/18/2012 2:47:28 PM PST by cricket ( We have occupiers in our White House. Vote them out (and vote Newt in).)
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