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Why Are Ron Paul's Followers So Touchy?
Townhall..com ^ | January 2, 2012 | Michael Brown

Posted on 01/02/2012 12:19:23 PM PST by Kaslin

I know that every candidate has passionate supporters, but it’s obvious that Ron Paul’s followers are especially passionate to the point of being downright touchy whenever he is strongly criticized. Or am I being unfair in my assessment?

Last week, I received an email via Townhall from an apparent Ron Paul supporter. He wrote, “You want war with Iran send your own [expletive] kids, not mine. Stop sucking up to Isreal [sic]. What a piece of [expletive] this Townhall spews. One can clearly see your [sic] for the Tea Party of Hate. I know becuase [sic] of your hate for Ron Paul.”

Now, the funny thing is that, in several dozen Townhall articles written in 2011, I mentioned Iran a total of twice (in passing, at that), I mentioned the Tea Party twice (in the space of one article, without criticism or endorsement), and most importantly, I never once mentioned the name of Ron Paul. Not once! Yet somehow I am fashioned a Ron Paul hater.

Obviously, this is just one email from an anti-Israel, anti-Tea Party, profanity-using, spelling-challenged reader, and in no way do I judge Ron Paul or the rest of his supporters by one foolish email. Of course not. And yet, there’s something all too familiar about this pro-Paul email, specifically, its unusually rabid tone.

It is an open secret that no one has supporters who are more devoted, loyal, or committed than Ron Paul, and if other candidates had followers as dedicated as his, the current political landscape would look very different.

So is that the answer to my question? Is it simply that Paul’s followers are more passionate than others, implying that they will also be more defensive and even touchy?

Or is this overly simplistic? Perhaps the real issue is that, for years, the media has seemingly failed to give Paul his due, giving other candidates more coverage and attention and even time to respond in public debates. And so Paul’s followers have simply had it with being slighted, becoming especially sensitive to criticism.

Or maybe Paul’s supporters have emulated some of his own style, being more didactic than dynamic and more cantankerous than charismatic? Maybe this is one the reasons they are attracted to him?

Or could it be that as a libertarian, he gives voice to causes and stands up for values that few other candidates believe in or espouse? Although he is a long-time politician, he is also outside the main stream on many key issues, and so, he is not only embraced as a political candidate but also as a champion of the people, an anti-establishment hero to be defended and backed with tenacity and zeal. It’s not every candidate who writes a book on “Revolution” and really means it. (Hey, when he talks about the need for revolutionary change, he’s speaking my language too.)

Or is it something else? Could it be that his positions are so extreme that it leaves his followers vulnerable and defensive? After all, when your candidate downplays the threat of radical Islam (even though its adherents probably surpass the adult population of America in number), when he chooses not to recognize the very real danger of a nuclear weapon in the hands of Iran (despite all the blood currently on Iran’s hands), when one of his former senior aides, Eric Dondero, claims that Paul is anti-Israel, how can his supporters not be hyper-sensitive to criticism? (According to Dondero, while Paul is neither a racist nor an anti-Semite, he is “most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. . . . He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.”)

I actually have no axe to grind when it comes to Ron Paul, nor do I have a dog in this fight. Is he really anti-Israel, or is there a solid answer to the charges against him? Are his foreign policies naïve, or does he really understand the nature of anti-American “blowback”? Are some of his radical monetary proposals the very thing we need, or is he arguing for changes that can never occur? Has he been wishy-washy on important social issues like homosexual activism, or does he really espouse conservative morality? And is he a man of trustworthy character, or is he being dishonest when he disavows knowledge of many of his past newsletters?

These are questions for others to answer, and despite the hostile comments that can be expected in response to this article, I am not hostile to Ron Paul. My question has to do with his followers.

Why are they so touchy? Or am I being unfair?


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To: Fester Chugabrew

Post a thread about Reagan and we will talk, just stick to the issue which is Paul. Paul is delusional and dangerous based on his foreign policy ideas. I will not support him , I don’t support anti-Semites.
If you choose to support Paul, go right ahead, its a free country but do not try and change the subject to something other than Paul, best for you to get off the Paul is the only guy who can .....band wagon. Learn who he really is, based on what you have been posting, the man you think he is doesn’t actually exists.


101 posted on 01/02/2012 2:45:28 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Kaslin
as a libertarian

I think the word libertarian should be retired. It is more of an impediment to rational exchange of ideas than a useful tool.

All it is is a que to start fighting. Whatever emotional you attach to it, good or bad, when people hear it their adrenalin starts flowing, their heart beat increases, their frontal lobes shut down and they hunker down for a battle.

102 posted on 01/02/2012 2:51:11 PM PST by DManA
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To: mnehring
At least Paul has the ability to recognize failure and continues aiming for smaller government. If anything he should be commended for sticking to his guns. In case you haven't noticed, he is not a one man show. You, not so much. You seem disappointed that people who truly want smaller government are increasing in number. Why is that? Do you want smaller government, or a big government that grows more slowly? Which of the two ideas is more conservative?
103 posted on 01/02/2012 2:53:42 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; mnehring
Paul has the ability to recognize failure

That is hysterically funny, if Paul actually recognized failure he would have stopped running for President two decades ago.

104 posted on 01/02/2012 2:58:45 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

Is that what you teach the children in your life? Go ahead and try but then give up.


105 posted on 01/02/2012 3:01:55 PM PST by DManA
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To: Windflier

Easy calling someone a idiot because someone made a minor grammar mistake.
No ownership I get it.
Otherwise, as I have said before I am still recovering from my public school education.


106 posted on 01/02/2012 3:05:49 PM PST by Leep
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To: Kaslin

Anyone would probably be touchy if their favorite candidate was dismissed offhand as a nut.


107 posted on 01/02/2012 3:23:50 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: DManA; Fester Chugabrew; mnehring
Ok ok ok D. I was responding to FC's claim that "at least Paul recognizes failure", my children or the dog for that matter have nothing to do with what I said.

The poster commented on Paul which is what I responded to, don't change the subject.

FC said that Paul has the ability to recognize failure

I simple said: That is hysterically funny, if Paul actually recognized failure he would have stopped running for President two decades ago.

108 posted on 01/02/2012 3:24:30 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw; mnehring

I’m surprised him and his buddies weren’t zotted on that other RP thread.


109 posted on 01/02/2012 3:27:05 PM PST by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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To: svcw

At least Nader only runs when he needs a new polyester suit.


110 posted on 01/02/2012 3:28:19 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Well, he is a nut, plus he sounds like a mouse


111 posted on 01/02/2012 3:32:02 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Republican Wildcat

They’re all guilty of pork barrel spending all the while trying to claim to being the most fiscally sound politician in Washington. They go around town with their pointing finger pointing outward at everyone else.


112 posted on 01/02/2012 3:33:20 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: svcw

Actually, that *was* funny. Brilliant in a way.


113 posted on 01/02/2012 3:35:15 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Kaslin

They’re a mindless cult, just like Obamabots.


114 posted on 01/02/2012 3:46:10 PM PST by stratman1969 (Anyone but Obama or Romney in 2012)
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To: Sacajaweau

Because they are “bat-guano-crazy”.

Ron Paul is the American Khadaffy.


115 posted on 01/02/2012 3:49:03 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: svcw

You are criticizing Paul for not quitting. I think my comment was apt.


116 posted on 01/02/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by DManA
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To: Kaslin; BillyBoy; South40

Perry supporters (on here at least) are also extremely touchy.


117 posted on 01/02/2012 4:52:59 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: svcw

Oh Christ...look...if all you say is “Ron Paul is a nutter” w/o citing any reason to back it up, I think you’re an asshole. Does this help all of you?


118 posted on 01/02/2012 5:36:15 PM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: Skip Ripley

I have never said Paul was a nutter, I have said he is dangerous and delusional.
I may be an a$$hole, but that has nothing to do with Paul’s delusions.
The point being again is that people post Paul musings all of the time, you must have just missed them.


119 posted on 01/02/2012 5:39:26 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

I haven’t missed them ...at all. I’ve said he’s as dangerous a candidate I’ve seen on this forum. I’m simply saying that the Paulies get touchy because so many people call the man a nut and leave it at that. Perhaps...just perhaps...if more people took the time to say, “I think he’s a nut because he believes Iran has the right to close the Strait of Hormuz in response to economic sanctions.” Or
“I think he’s a racist because he published a newsletter stating all young black males are fast” It might make the Paulites less reactionary and force them to do somehting other than saying “You’re a nut because you support the Reblocrats...”

maybe I’m just tired of this site...

And I wasn’t calling you specificaly an asshole...thatg was intemperate of me. sorry...


120 posted on 01/02/2012 6:10:15 PM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: svcw

I haven’t missed them ...at all. I’ve said he’s as dangerous a candidate I’ve seen on this forum. I’m simply saying that the Paulies get touchy because so many people call the man a nut and leave it at that. Perhaps...just perhaps...if more people took the time to say, “I think he’s a nut because he believes Iran has the right to close the Strait of Hormuz in response to economic sanctions.” Or
“I think he’s a racist because he published a newsletter stating all young black males are fast” It might make the Paulites less reactionary and force them to do somehting other than saying “You’re a nut because you support the Reblocrats...”

maybe I’m just tired of this site...

And I wasn’t calling you specificaly an asshole...thatg was intemperate of me. sorry...


121 posted on 01/02/2012 6:10:15 PM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: Skip Ripley
but I know I’d be a bit touchy if my candidate (if I had one) was off handedly dismissed as a nut w/o explanation.

Simply stating “Ron Paul is a nutter” without any evidence to support that statement

Surely, you jest. No evidence? The whole reason Freepers think he's nuts is because of the mountains of evidence that he is loopy.

122 posted on 01/02/2012 6:25:49 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: momincombatboots
The problem is that many people, such as yourself, think that because Paul has good ideas in one area or even several areas, that makes him a good candidate and those who criticize him are therefore "liberals" and the enemies of his good ideas, conservaqtism and the Constitution. Sorry, but that's a load of crap. Paul's foreign policy ideas are nuts, he has no understanding of the type of war we're in, he's a darling of Code Pink and he encourages truthers. Those things are unacceptable and would ensure a landslide for Obama. Oh, and he's so full of himself he thinks Rick Santorum is a liberal. For these reasons, I wouldn't vote for Paul in the primnary even if he and I agreed on every single domestic issue in detail.

I'm not angry, but I have to tell you (as one of the most ardent Ron Paul critics on this forum) that it's rather bizarre to have a bunch of Ronulans tell me that I don't care about the Constitution I swore an oath to, and their sole piece of evidence for that is that I'm not enamored with their naive, Ahmadinejad loving, DC game-playing, pork-delivering Code Pink darling. Really? Time to get a grip, folks.

123 posted on 01/02/2012 6:39:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: jpsb
Borrowing 43 cents for every federal dollar spent makes some people upset. 16 trillion in debt with unfunded liabilities for another 75 trillion makes some people upset. No knock laws, hate speech laws, property seizures and now warrentless searches makes some people upset, go figure.

Good, let's nominate a candidate who can beat Obama and fix those problems. Ron Paul, game-playing space cadet, is not that candidate.

124 posted on 01/02/2012 6:43:39 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: mnehring; jpsb

Not to pile on (especially since I already responded to jpsbonce) but I don’t think someone is a Constitutional purist or even in the same solar system as fiscal conservatism if they put in federal earmarks for theater renovations and shrimp marketing campaigns. How much money was borrowed from China for the wild shrimp marketing campaign?


125 posted on 01/02/2012 6:47:57 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Persevero
Myself I have decided Perry is my #1. However I acknowledge he has faults and don’t get all huffy is someone else has a different #1.

Agree 100%, though the other Rick is my first choice. Glad Santorum is doing so well in Iowa, and glad Perry will probably do very well in SC.

126 posted on 01/02/2012 6:50:14 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: mnehring; Fester Chugabrew

Funny how many Paulestinians are quick to quote Reagan’s 1984 endorsement of Paul for Congress, but never his own later comments on Reagan. Reminds me of the Reagan administration officials (like Stockman) who pop up on NPR now and then to tell us how Reagan would be fully behind Obama’s economic plans.


127 posted on 01/02/2012 6:54:43 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: momincombatboots
People cheered when the President said let’s assassinate a US citizen.

I'm sorry, but this is moronic.

The "young man" in question was a sworn enemy of the United States who said that it was the duty of all Muslims (yes, all 1 billion or so of them) to destroy our nation, and published a magazine designed to help Muslims in America and other Western countries to mount attacks inside our borders. Al-Arabiya called him the bin Laden of the Internet. Would you be weeping for bin Laden if his mama had birthed him here in the USA?

The fact that there are members of the Mumia wing ofthe GOP treating this like Lincoln had Robert E. Lee lynched right after Appomatox shows that you don't understand what's going on and probably don't want to. And it certainly makes people tune out when you make broader arguments about government power. It's like talking about Miranda procedures and DUI checkpoints after freaking out because a cop shot a serial killer. At that point, credibility is lost.

128 posted on 01/02/2012 7:10:10 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: reaganaut; svcw

Tagline change.


129 posted on 01/02/2012 7:12:34 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I have to agree that, insofar as Ronald Reagan failed to implement a reduction in government, he was a failure. The conservative idea is “smaller government.” Get it? Not a government slowly gowing bigger. Get it? Or is that another “koncept for kooks?”

Where do the federally funded theater renovations and shrimp marketing campaigns paid for with borrowed Chinese money fit into this "smaller government" idea? Please educate me.

130 posted on 01/02/2012 7:14:19 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: DManA
I think the first 10 posts answer the question pretty eloquently.

OK, quick qiz. First question:

Considering Bradley Manning to be a patriotic person: Nutty, or not nutty?

131 posted on 01/02/2012 7:17:48 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; mnehring
You seem disappointed that people who truly want smaller government are increasing in number.

You seem to be smacking some strawmen around nicely. Serious question: If a person with Ron Paul's (supposed) position on smaller government came out to the podium at one of the debates in a Batman costume and insisted the moderator address him as "The Dark Knight" or "Mr. Wayne," would you vote for him?

No, right?

Well, when Ron Paul comes out and acts like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a sane and logical person who can be deterred by MAD policy like some Politburo official drinking vodka in his dacha on the weekend, that's as crazy to me as coming out to the podium in a Batman suit. Now, if you want to call that reaction a fear of smaller government, feel free, but you're just making more crazy to go with your candidate's crazy if you do.

132 posted on 01/02/2012 7:26:53 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Anyone would probably be touchy if their favorite candidate was dismissed offhand as a nut.

Good thing that hasn't happened to Ron Paul. He's been dismissed as a nut only after providing a montain of evidence to support that contention.

133 posted on 01/02/2012 7:28:46 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I deny you the right to quiz me.

It is irrelevant anyway. The question of the thread is why are Paul supporters touchy. The answer is obvious to anyone not possessed by the ugly spirit of hatred.


134 posted on 01/02/2012 7:34:29 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
Whether I have the right to quiz you is not yours to determine. Whehther I have that right in general is decided by the First Amendment; whether I have it on this site is decided by JimRob. Some constitutionalist you are!

The good news is, whether you refuse to answer the question and remind everyone why your candidate is a knob is completely in your wheelhouse.

135 posted on 01/02/2012 7:42:19 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: svcw

Fester’s getting kinda touchy, eh??


136 posted on 01/02/2012 7:42:22 PM PST by gibsosa
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To: gibsosa
Fester’s getting kinda touchy, eh??

Side effect of following a candidate with whacked-out poo-brain.

137 posted on 01/02/2012 7:43:56 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Ron Paul is to the Constitution as Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Sorry, it takes two to quiz. Don’t go crying to the Supreme Court or JimRob if I refuse to play your silly gamne.

Your assertion that I support Paul is a foolish assumpton.


138 posted on 01/02/2012 7:47:22 PM PST by DManA
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To: Mr. Silverback

Are you 6 years old?


139 posted on 01/02/2012 7:49:26 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA; Mr. Silverback

And there you have it Silver - the good ol’ “hatred” card....
Someone (don’t remember who) said they were irritated by the tin foil rubbing on their scalps that is making them touchy, I am beginning to think that isn’t actually where they wear it.


140 posted on 01/02/2012 7:50:24 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

I call it like I see it. Your screens must be caked with spittle. Your pal just said Paul had a “whacked-out poo-brain”.

Ok it’s not hatred. It’s infantile and stupid.


141 posted on 01/02/2012 7:55:32 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA; svcw; Mr. Silverback

Ok it’s not hatred. It’s infantile and stupid.

- - - - -
No it is accurate and polite considering some of the other things said about Paul.

I see you are class of ‘98. Have you always been a Libertarian or is this a new development because of Ron Paul?


142 posted on 01/02/2012 8:00:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: DManA; svcw; Mr. Silverback

Oh and thank you for proving the point of the thread. We sane people appreciate it.


143 posted on 01/02/2012 8:03:38 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Kaslin

Cause they’re high all the time.


144 posted on 01/02/2012 8:04:03 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DManA

And so do I, ;-)


145 posted on 01/02/2012 8:11:04 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: DManA

With every flaw that Ron Paul has, he is still heads above anything that has been served up. I would take my chances with him over Romney or Gingrich. Ron Paul is the only Candidate that can beat Obama.


146 posted on 01/02/2012 8:11:39 PM PST by Afronaut (It's 1984)
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To: 50mm; TheOldLady; Jim Robinson

Ping to #146 and surrounding posts. Getting fun over here.


147 posted on 01/02/2012 8:15:15 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Afronaut

You forgot your sarcasm marker. Just a heads up - no need to thank me.


148 posted on 01/02/2012 8:16:40 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: reaganaut

Hey, you beat me to it! I was just thinking someone should call in an air strike!!


149 posted on 01/02/2012 8:20:05 PM PST by gibsosa
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To: gibsosa

I forgot to ping the mod though.


150 posted on 01/02/2012 8:24:48 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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