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Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?
guardian.co.uk ^ | 8 October 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

He is the latest Tea Party favourite to burst through in the increasingly heated race for the Republican presidential nomination and see their poll numbers rocket them to frontrunner status.

However, unlike previous rightwing darlings such as Texas governor Rick Perry and Minnesota congresswoman Michele Bachmann, wealthy businessman Herman Cain, 65, can claim to be cut from a very different sort of cloth from the average Republican candidate.

First, he is not actually a politician. Cain, whose CV includes being a radio show host, a navy ballistics expert, a Baptist minister and a Federal Reserve official, has never held elected office in his life. His most famous job was as chief executive of the fast-food firm Godfather's Pizza.

Yet none of that seemed to matter to the cheering crowds at the Values Voter Summit in a Washington DC hotel late last week. There was much to celebrate. A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.

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Video of Cain's speech at the Values Voter Summit:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SummitAfter/start/5769/stop/9318

1 posted on 10/09/2011 5:21:10 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion
“A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race”

Being that I am a port-sider, concerning handedness not politics, I am observant when it comes to this trait in others. So, I noticed the other day that Herman Cain is left handed as well. Thereby, the odds of him becoming our next president has increased dramatically as four of our last five presidents have been left handed. Good news for sure!

2 posted on 10/09/2011 5:34:18 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I’ve never heard of Cain being a Baptist minister. He attends a Baptist church, but I don’t think he’s ever been a minister.


3 posted on 10/09/2011 5:38:14 AM PDT by Atlantan
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To: snoringbear

Oh, no! I hadn’t noticed that. Obama is left-handed. May have to reconsider my support.


4 posted on 10/09/2011 5:38:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Atlantan

IIRC, he’s an associate pastor at his church.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 5:41:18 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?

Four out of five ain't bad.

6 posted on 10/09/2011 5:45:45 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Cain is great on everything. The main fly in his ointment is the scrutiny he will get for his 9-9-9 plan.

I’ve already posted several threads on this and I see even CONSERVATIVES showing opposition and having serious questions and reservations.

If he can truly defend it and show that it works, he will truly deserve the presidency. If not, he will be shown to be a mere idealist not worthy of consideration.

Unfortunately, the 30 second sound byte debate isn’t going to do justice to his complicated tax plan. In fact, the attacks in the next debates are SURELY going to come his way instead of Perry’s.

He better be prepared.


7 posted on 10/09/2011 5:48:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Barack B H Soretoes-Obama: community disorganizer, non-functioning senator, PRESIDENT?


8 posted on 10/09/2011 5:50:18 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Had this guy pegged way back in May. I had never used my hard earned money to go to a candidate before but did for him. It’s about time we run this country like a business. I think he’ll be the Repub candidate, I also said Obama would be the candidate back when Hillary was way ahead and took some heat for that!! :) I just thought that because I went into Books A Million and his books were everywhere and there were signs here in SW Mo for Obama in people’s yards. Was very odd.

05/23/2011 POS Debit POS PUR FROM CHK FRIENDS OF HERMAN CAIN , GA


9 posted on 10/09/2011 5:51:19 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: BarnacleCenturion
If he doesn't win this year, we need to make sure this man is groomed to be president in the future. As it is, he will be a great Vice-President; more qualified than our current one, for sure, and he won't fit the “stupid” trope that the press gives Republican VPs.
10 posted on 10/09/2011 5:52:27 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Atlantan

He’s an “Associate Minister” (I believe was the term I heard), but I don’t know the difference.


11 posted on 10/09/2011 5:54:55 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: snoringbear

Given he has never held elected office, or been a general, his chances seem slim to none.


12 posted on 10/09/2011 5:55:23 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

https://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

I saw people last night saying at least we know what Rick Perry stands for but what does Herman Cain stand for and I have to laugh, we all have the internet, not too hard to figure out what he stands for, he has a website! :)

Folks need to do their homework before knocking him.


13 posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: SeekAndFind

I am against the 9-9-9 plan, but his site has now stated that it’s to be used as a transition to the FairTax. As I understand it the idea is to incrementally cross over to the FairTax, (part national sales tax, part income tax, then only sales tax). I disagree with the 9-9-9 plan, but support Cain. He said he was trying to unite FairTaxers and Flat Taxers (it will not), and I think he got flack for it, and has now decided to move back to the FairTax (When the 9-9-9 site first came out, it had no mention of the transition to the FairTax—Phase 2—my guess is that the 9-9-9 was decried and he re-evaluated that position, or possibly he had the idea the whole time).

I still like Cain, but that doesn’t mean I agree with every idea his campain (or just him, for that matter) puts forward.


14 posted on 10/09/2011 5:59:14 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

15 posted on 10/09/2011 5:59:55 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

“Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?”

Well heck, George Washington was a farmer, surveyor, general, and brew master.


16 posted on 10/09/2011 6:00:57 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: PghBaldy

I believe 9 (could be 8, saw the list on another thread), of our Presidents never held an elected office. That’s pretty substantial, and many, many Americans are tired of politics as usual.


17 posted on 10/09/2011 6:02:11 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Whether for the primaries or for the national election, should he happen to win the nomination, Cain has the least political experience of anyone on the debates stages.

We already have one novice in the Oval Office, but even he has a couple of elective political jaunts.

Running a corporation is much different than being president of the Nation.

I just don’t have enough confidence that Cain can do the job to jump on his band wagon. He is too much of an unknown quantity, politically.


18 posted on 10/09/2011 6:02:57 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ozarkgirl

He got more than double the votes of Romney, and more than triple that of Perry in the Zogby poll mentioned in the article. That’s pretty substantial.


19 posted on 10/09/2011 6:04:30 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235
Most of us at F.R. agree that we need a different tax plan but most everybody disagrees on how to do it. That may be true of the general population of people who actually pay taxes as well. Factor in that 47% that are net tax takers as well and are happy with the system as is and you will have a huge problem getting any part of the tax system changed whatsoever.
20 posted on 10/09/2011 6:05:17 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: JDW11235

amen.

Cain OR ANY of the declared are 200000 times better than the marxist slug in the white house now

Either of my dogs could be a better president than O


21 posted on 10/09/2011 6:05:51 AM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Atlantan

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/03/22/herman-cains-story-of-gods-healing-power.aspx

Apparently he is a minister.

Herman Cain: I’m a Baptist preacher. A lot of people don’t know that.

I’m one of the Associate Ministers there because I was called to the ministry.


22 posted on 10/09/2011 6:06:07 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: TomGuy
but even he has a couple of elective political jaunts.

Neither of the elective offices that Obama held were "effective". He is 100% the result of affirmitive action and did nothing in his prior offices.

23 posted on 10/09/2011 6:09:10 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: TomGuy

***We already have one novice in the Oval Office, but even he has a couple of elective political jaunts.***

Rephrasing:

We have an idiot in the Oval Office - who was elected simply because he had been processed three times through the Chicago sausage machine.


24 posted on 10/09/2011 6:09:20 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you.)
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To: ozarkgirl

Here’s another article stating he is a minister. Hey, it’s from FR! lol

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1100784/posts


25 posted on 10/09/2011 6:10:21 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: TomGuy

Sorry, I misread the word you used as “effective” and you actually wrote “elective”, there is a hugh difference, my apologies to you.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 6:12:11 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: TomGuy

Totally agree


27 posted on 10/09/2011 6:12:16 AM PDT by NYC-Conserv (Back on FR after 2 Year Hiatus (though lurking throughout))
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem with 9-9-9 is that, once Congress gets their hands on it (assuming it is ever approved -- which I doubt it will ever be), they will modify and add to it until it becomes 10-10-10 or 20-50-90 or some other unrecognizeable creature.

In 50 years of Congressional finagling, you would not recognize the resulting Tax Code.

Can't happen?

==

It only took Congress two years to begin finagling the original IRS rates.

Early IRS rates:

Year $10,001 $20,001 $60,001 $100,001 $250,001 $500,001 $1,000,000
1913 1% 2% 3% 5% 6% 7% 7%
1914 1% 2% 3% 5% 6% 7% 7%
1916 2% 3% 5% 7% 10% 12% 13%
1918 16% 21% 41% 64% 72% 76% 77%
1920 12% 17% 37% 60% 68% 72% 73%

28 posted on 10/09/2011 6:12:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: JDW11235

On-line poll? Really? When did we start taking those seriously? On yeah, when they return the desired result.. Else, it’s Zogby special sauce


29 posted on 10/09/2011 6:13:33 AM PDT by NYC-Conserv (Back on FR after 2 Year Hiatus (though lurking throughout))
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To: NYC-Conserv

Actually there have been many, I merely mentioned the one in the article. Check the sidebar for further polls.


30 posted on 10/09/2011 6:14:55 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: ozarkgirl

Thank you for the link.

Several months back, when I first heard Cain I was impressed.

His idea-—9-9-9—seems reasonable, seems like the end result would take the powder away from the glib, Leland Gaunt-types pandering to envy & greed.

From his website:
“Government spending is like taking a bucket of water from the deep end of the pool, pouring it in the shallow end. Then they HOPE that the water level will CHANGE.”

I like how he incorporated HOPE-CHANGE...I like too his sense of humor, although those in the media, those guardians with their superior wisdom and virtue went to Defcon-One and launched the missiles when he was comedic. Heh!

Something like Reagan...”the missiles launch in 5-minutes... or whatever it was...hilarious.


31 posted on 10/09/2011 6:15:10 AM PDT by Retch_Sweeney (Men to whom God is dead worship one another...Harry Crews)
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To: PghBaldy
Given he has never held elected office, or been a general, his chances seem slim to none.

What's the difference between never having held elective office and never fulfilling the duties of the one someone is elected to. Ten minutes as Ill. state senator before being elected to the US Senate and fifteen minutes later running for POTUS, voting "present" all along the way.

32 posted on 10/09/2011 6:15:50 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: DollyCali

And they can at least communicate (albeit in a limited form) WITHOUT a teleprompter, lol.


33 posted on 10/09/2011 6:15:51 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: TomGuy
Cain has the least political experience of anyone

That's a good thing!

Running a corporation is much different than being president of the Nation

Yes, because they have to live within their means - very, very different than our federal government.

He is too much of an unknown quantity, politically.

What do you want to know? His positions are stated at his website.

34 posted on 10/09/2011 6:15:55 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: SoJoCo

I’ll take five out of five to be saved from having to vote for a two faced “moderate” again.


35 posted on 10/09/2011 6:19:27 AM PDT by Nucluside (ready)
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To: Graybeard58

As one of the net tax payers, I agree. If the Federal government were shrunk down to the level of it’s Constitutional Authority, the funds (and therefore taxation) required to run it would be so tiny and insignificant, that the source wouldn’t be quibbled over. But the income tax wasn’t really instituted to fund the government, so much as to surpress the economy (and thus influence) of the middle class over time, making us all to be eventually wards of the state (the entire aim of Progressives), serfs in poverty.


36 posted on 10/09/2011 6:21:11 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister, race-baiter, Romney puppet.
President? Umm, no thanks.

37 posted on 10/09/2011 6:22:17 AM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin & Sowell do.)
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To: Graybeard58

I said the source wouldn’t be quibbled over. To correct myself, it probably still would be, but it wouldn’t be as pressing an issue, and most everyone would prosper more than they are now anyway. The greatest fleecing in all of mankind (economically), is the U.S. income tax and paycheck witholding. Trillions upon trillions stolen before it was ever even seen.


38 posted on 10/09/2011 6:23:11 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
A Zogby opinion poll had just boosted Cain into first place in the race, with 38% of the vote, compared with 18% for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Perry trailed in third place with 12%. The study even showed Cain beating President Barack Obama in a match-up by 46% to 44%.
That simply cannot be. I'm telling you that cannot be. Because there are too many FReeper brothers and sisters on here saying that Herman Cain is unelectable. The polls are wrong. (/s)
39 posted on 10/09/2011 6:23:30 AM PDT by no dems (The HERMANator in 2012 !)
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To: Retch_Sweeney
I like too his sense of humor, although those in the media, those guardians with their superior wisdom and virtue went to Defcon-One and launched the missiles when he was comedic. Heh!

I think you have to have a sense of humor to be a good leader - i.e. your reference to Reagan. First you have to get people's attention, then you have to have the substance behind it to accomplish your goals. Herman Cain has both, he's proven it his entire life, VP of Pillsbury at 34?

Reagan's trickle down philosophy wasn't immediately effective, apparently he was encouraged several times to give it up but he stuck by it - he was tenacious and that's an excellent quality for a President.

40 posted on 10/09/2011 6:24:22 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: jla

“race-baiter”

For a moment there, I thought you were referring to Rico “don’t like their last name” Perry. I mean, I know we’re “heartless” and all...


41 posted on 10/09/2011 6:25:55 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: PghBaldy

That’s one of Cain’s biggest advantages. People are fed up with politicians.


42 posted on 10/09/2011 6:25:59 AM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: VanDeKoik; All
“Herman Cain: pizza boss, radio host, ballistics expert, minister. President?”
Well heck, George Washington was a farmer, surveyor, general, and brew master.


***BUMP***

THAT observation bears repeating until it sinks in to those who "just don't get it".

Well said FRiend!
43 posted on 10/09/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: JDW11235
"He got more than double the votes of Romney, and more than triple that of Perry in the Zogby poll mentioned in the article. That’s pretty substantial."

Are you seriously citing a Zogby poll as any kind of authority? Seriously?

"Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Following an Election Day prediction that Democratic candidate John Kerry would win more than 300 electoral votes and the presidency, one of America's most well known polling firms continued the job Wednesday of explaining its flawed projection.

Shawnta Watson Walcott, communications director for Zogby International, joined a group of liberal Democrats at a faux congressional hearing focused on whether fraud influenced the Nov. 2 (2004) outcome.

"... it has become increasingly clear that this election has produced unprecedented levels of suspicion regarding its outcome, and we join this panel discussion in an attempt to find a resolution to these issues," said Walcott, who represented the firm's president and long time political pollster John Zogby at the forum sponsored by Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee.

On Election Day, Zogby predicted that Kerry would win 311 electoral votes. For much of that afternoon, he also rated the state of Virginia as too close to call. Not only did President Bush end up winning Virginia by 9 percentage points over Kerry, he won 286 electoral votes, over 3.3 million popular vote more than Kerry and, of course, re-election.

But with a Rayburn House Office Building meeting room as the backdrop, Judiciary Committee Democrats, liberal special interest groups and individuals like Rainbow PUSH Coalition founder Jesse Jackson Wednesday alleged that the election had been marred by fraud and malfunctioning voting machines.

Walcott told the group assembled that Zogby International had questions of its own pertaining to the election. -- Zogby Polling Seeks Damage Control After Election Day Flub


44 posted on 10/09/2011 6:32:08 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: ozarkgirl
What do you want to know? His positions are stated at his website

Anybody can say anything until they are confronted with the actual decision that counts. Just like a lot of people think it would be easy to run a business until they actually have to do it. He would be surrounded with "experts" to help him make those decisions just like "The Won" and they would be leading him around by the nose in no time at all.....just as they are doing with Obama.

45 posted on 10/09/2011 6:32:18 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: ozarkgirl
Cain has the least political experience of anyone

That's a good thing!


Actually, it isn't. It takes political 'savvy' to get anything done in Washington. A president has 535 Hill politicians, thousands of lobbyists, and hundreds of governmental bureaucracies to deal with.

The position is the most powerful on the planet. Someone whose expertise is delivering pizzas probably would find the position overwhelming in short order.


46 posted on 10/09/2011 6:32:56 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: IbJensen
Barack B H Soretoes-Obama: community disorganizer, non-functioning senator, PRESIDENT?

You beat me to it.

That anyone could question Cain's readiness with the implicit support of an obvious doofus already occupying the White House is laughable.

ML/NJ

47 posted on 10/09/2011 6:34:20 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: JDW11235
"Check the sidebar for further polls."

And of those polls, the only recent one done with any kind of statistical validity was the CBSNews poll, which showed Cain tied with Mittens 17%-17%.

48 posted on 10/09/2011 6:34:48 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: JDW11235
As was previously on this site explained, the "heartless" remark was not directed to the general public per se. Watching the debate would clarify this, by why let the truth get in the way of you smearing a genuine American such as Rick Perry.

By the way, do you Cain supporters share your man's zeal and admiration for Mitt Romney?

49 posted on 10/09/2011 6:34:48 AM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin & Sowell do.)
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To: meatloaf

I’d like to see a list of major candidates (Democrat or Republican) who never held an elected office, and then made it to the general election and lost to someone who had held an elected office (not lost to someone else who held never held one either). We know that 8 or 9 (I believe it was 9) who never held elected office WON the Presidency, so I’m interested in how many made it to the big vote but didn’t make it, if any even exist. I’m betting it’s none. Which would mean that whether or not someone has held elected office has never been a factor in a General election. But I hope to see the numbers either way.


50 posted on 10/09/2011 6:36:02 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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