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To: BarnacleCenturion

Cain is great on everything. The main fly in his ointment is the scrutiny he will get for his 9-9-9 plan.

I’ve already posted several threads on this and I see even CONSERVATIVES showing opposition and having serious questions and reservations.

If he can truly defend it and show that it works, he will truly deserve the presidency. If not, he will be shown to be a mere idealist not worthy of consideration.

Unfortunately, the 30 second sound byte debate isn’t going to do justice to his complicated tax plan. In fact, the attacks in the next debates are SURELY going to come his way instead of Perry’s.

He better be prepared.


7 posted on 10/09/2011 5:48:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am against the 9-9-9 plan, but his site has now stated that it’s to be used as a transition to the FairTax. As I understand it the idea is to incrementally cross over to the FairTax, (part national sales tax, part income tax, then only sales tax). I disagree with the 9-9-9 plan, but support Cain. He said he was trying to unite FairTaxers and Flat Taxers (it will not), and I think he got flack for it, and has now decided to move back to the FairTax (When the 9-9-9 site first came out, it had no mention of the transition to the FairTax—Phase 2—my guess is that the 9-9-9 was decried and he re-evaluated that position, or possibly he had the idea the whole time).

I still like Cain, but that doesn’t mean I agree with every idea his campain (or just him, for that matter) puts forward.


14 posted on 10/09/2011 5:59:14 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The problem with 9-9-9 is that, once Congress gets their hands on it (assuming it is ever approved -- which I doubt it will ever be), they will modify and add to it until it becomes 10-10-10 or 20-50-90 or some other unrecognizeable creature.

In 50 years of Congressional finagling, you would not recognize the resulting Tax Code.

Can't happen?

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It only took Congress two years to begin finagling the original IRS rates.

Early IRS rates:

Year $10,001 $20,001 $60,001 $100,001 $250,001 $500,001 $1,000,000
1913 1% 2% 3% 5% 6% 7% 7%
1914 1% 2% 3% 5% 6% 7% 7%
1916 2% 3% 5% 7% 10% 12% 13%
1918 16% 21% 41% 64% 72% 76% 77%
1920 12% 17% 37% 60% 68% 72% 73%

28 posted on 10/09/2011 6:12:36 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

I tink he’s on to somethig with 999 but I, too, want to see the details. He is a methematician and has talked about an economic team that he worked with t out it together..and I would like to see his list of assumptions that they used going in. Then it can be fairly evaluated.

I wouldn’t mind a Simposn-Bowles look, a Paul Ryan look, etc. Art Laffer (the Reaganomics guy) has commented favorably on it and WSJ had a piece a couple of weeks ago that was favorable. But yes, let’s get the details. And I also believe it is a work in progress.


191 posted on 10/09/2011 9:06:30 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain is great on everything.

Is Cain also "great" on Romney?

This Romney?

VIDEO clips of Romney/Kennedy Debates: Liberals For Romney - More Liberal than Ted Kennedy

The same Romney that Cain supported in 2008?

HERMAN CAIN'S ENDORSEMENT OF MITT ROMNEY PUBLISHED IN THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION PRIOR TO SUPER TUESDAY, 2008

But, Cain's support of Romney in 2008 was ancient history.

How does Cain stand, today, in 2011?

Cain is on constant attack against Perry but treats Romney with kid gloves. Cain will not even support Perry, in the GENERAL ELECTION if Perry were the GOP nominee ....... EVEN AGAINST BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.

But, guess what?

Cain WILL support his old buddy, Mitt Romney.

Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party's nomination. .... The former businessman said, for instance, that he could support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney....

"But, that's alright. The Great Cain is fighting hard to defeat Romney!"

Not really.

Cain was not taking winning the Iowa Caucuses very seriously.

Herman Cain's top Iowa staff resigns ..... Goff stated that she resigned because the Cain campaign refused to make a serious effort in Iowa, the home of the First-in-the-Nation caucuses.

Cain is not taking the campaign very seriously right now as he hawks his book instead.

Cain Campaign: Selling a Candidate or Selling Books? ..... But even as he enjoys the fickle embrace of the party’s social conservatives, doubts are being raised about the straight-talking businessman’s legitimacy, and even his motives. Instead of capitalizing on his newfound momentum by hitting the campaign trail hard, Cain this week opted to spend most of his time promoting his book, This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House, which just arrived in retail stores this week. Rather than visit diners in early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire, he’s signing books at Barnes & Noble outlets in Texas and Washington D.C., although his tour does also include several stops in South Carolina and Florida, two key primary states. .... Steve Deace, an Iowa-based talk show host, posed the question on the minds of many people aligned with the Republican Party: “Is that guy running for president or just lining up a book tour?” .... But, as Block also said, the campaign has just 30 staff members spread across five states, fewer perhaps than one of Cain’s former pizzerias. The candidate this week was scheduled for six book signings and just three traditional campaign events. .... An e-mail that went out to Cain supporters the day before his upset victory in the Florida straw poll wasn’t about one of Cain’s policy positions but instead offered them a chance to buy a collector’s edition box set of the book, complete with a red case and gold trim. “Consider giving a loved one a copy of This is Herman Cain,” it said. “You wouldn’t be giving them just a book. You’d give them a gift to open again and again.” ..... One GOP strategist said he didn’t think Cain’s book tour was bad strategy – business strategy, at least. Cain knows he isn’t going to win the nomination, despite his recent rise in the polls, said Rich Galen, a Republican consultant and former aide to House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is also vying for the nomination. “It’s very smart to leverage his political surge to sell more books,” Galen said. “He’s a smart businessman.”

Cain has left his old pal, Romney, to lock up key donors while he locks up his book sales at Barnes & Nobles.

Romney Rounds Up Backing Among Key G.O.P. Donors

Cain is a "great" Stalking Horse for Mitt Romney.

202 posted on 10/09/2011 9:26:16 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Cain is great on everything.

Yep. Cain is "great" on everything.

Take, for example, the issue of killing al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki. No matter what your position is on the matter, Cain agrees with you.

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Cain, May 5, 2011, Regarding the killing of al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki

"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen. If he's an American citizen, which is the big difference, then he should be charged, and he should be arrested and brought to justice."

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Cain, October, 2011, Regarding the killing of al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki

"Asked why he had backed off his opposition to the U.S. military's targeting Anwar Awlaki, the al Qaeda terrorist and American citizen who was killed Friday by a drone strike in Yemen, Cain denied that he had ever opposed taking out Awlaki. “I never said that [President Obama] should not have ordered [the killing]. I don’t recall saying that. I think you’ve got some misinformation," Cain said. "Keep in mind that there are a lot of people out there trying to make me sound as if I am indecisive."

207 posted on 10/09/2011 9:32:04 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One.)
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To: SeekAndFind

999 is just a selling slogan. Herman is realistic, reasonable, and solid enough to iron out the wrinkles.


270 posted on 10/09/2011 3:16:16 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cain’s first degree was a BS in Math if I have the detail right———He got his MS while he was doing ballistics work for the US Navy-——I’m just itching to watch a bunch of lawyers try to take him on with the numbers! It won’t even be a fair fight. Makes me think of one sheep dog with teeth herding a bunch of mutton that has nothing but butts and hair.


274 posted on 10/09/2011 3:36:00 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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