Posted on 09/25/2011 5:04:26 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
Me too, a VAT is the worst possible tax. However, 9-9-9 has nothing to do with a VAT. They are completely different.
When did Cain switch from supporting the “Fair Tax” to his 9-9-9 Plan?
Any links to his explanation for making the change?
Thanks!
Our future compeitiveness in the global economy will rest largely on how well we can educate more than half of our children. The prognosis is bleak given past performance. Tossing more money at it won't solve the problem. Our educational system is broken, especially in the inner cities. Demography is destiny.
Okay, RL, I stand corrected.
But I’m not playing baseball on a football field here.
A VAT tax is a Value Added Tax and I know that this means that a tax is added on at EVERY level of production, from raw material to production to final sale.
As MNJ states, and assuming MNJ is correct which he likely is, Cain’s tax would only be a national sales tax on the final product.
I did state I needed more information and y’all are providing some, I appreciate it.
That being said....sales taxes are not bad things though I know right now we’re all raising tax weary, I get that.
But sales taxes tax that money which is NOT earned fairly via employment, such as drug money, money paid under the table, that kind of thing. Please do not assume I am in any way or fashion espousing such a thing because for now, like y’all, I’m so opposed to any kind of tax increase for the waste of money spent by the gubmint that my eyes roll around.
Assuming that we didn’t have a federal gubmint paying out millions to dead people, bailing out failed industries for fakery jobs that were never there or going to be there....a sales tax has its merits. If any kind of tax can be considered a merit but you know what I mean.
Whatever the case and whatever Cain’s stance, I will be forever in admiration that he has a plan, he’s not a coward to come out with it, I got wide open ears and mind but the mind is not so open that my brains fall out.
Boortz addressed that indicating that if Cain is elected, he will roll out the Fair Tax after implementing the 9-9-9 plan.
I think he states this on his website.
As I understand it, Cain's plan rips the tax code out by the roots, lowers the corporate tax to 9% (from 35%) taxes any level of income at the same 9% and eliminates deductions and other "loopholes".
I have been looking for where he said it. i think it was in his interview here with Mark Levin. 9-9-9 is step 1 to the Fair Tax.
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-interview-on-mark-levin-show/
Palin will not accept number 2. No way. Cain probably would. I’m almost sure he would accept a veep with Palin or anyone he felt to be a kindred soul... probably just with Palin.
Listening to the show comments on Cain's victory, it is very clear none of them gets it.
WE WANT TO PICK OUR OWN CANDIDATE THIS TIME AND IT ISN'T WHO YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING ON US.
Also clear from their comments, they don't realize in their echo chambers just how ascendant the TEA Party is in the general population!
I first heard Cain a couple years ago on the radio filling in for Neal Boortz and immediately said ‘That man needs to be President!’. Had no clue what race he was.
“even though I couldn’t make his speech people were very impressed. He could beat Obama and the debates would be worth the price of admission.”
You’re right, Bray - people are ALWAYS impressed by his speeches. By far, Herman and Newt are the most consistently eloquent speakers, and both are (imho) the ONLY ones who could whip BHO in debates. Come the general election, those debates will be a critical deciding factor with the masses, and why I’ve always said we must have a nominee who’s up to that, who can dish it back to BHO without faltering or getting rattled. Mittens isn’t the guy. I’ve seen Sarah get shaken by the MSM various times as well. Perry might be up to it if his people would stop over-handling and restraining him, because the few points we purist conservatives disagree with him on, BHO couldn’t very well knock.
The couple of times Cain faltered early on, he quickly studied up and rarely if ever repeats the same mistake twice. He just needs to elaborate more, as some here have stated, on his good talking points - AND he really needs a quick education on radical Islam (and the Koran in general) so that he can argue it in detail and confidently defend his stance on sharia law, conflict between Islam and our Constitution, and not appointing Muslims for that reason.
“Brit Hume: “Unless the Republicans nominate some freak.””
LOL - I immediately wondered if he meant Ron Paul.
My take on Cain is that it won’t take much to get him up to date on a few more topics. And it won’t take a political argument to up date him; it will take only a rational argument and I think he’ll get it immediately.
I think he’s for REAL. I sure hope so.
” but his pushing a total tax reform is not going to be a winner among the huge middle group of voters in our country.”
I think it would be, IF they’re educated properly to the fact that almost HALF of the country pays NO income tax. Also, most taxpayers I know despise the IRS and think the current tax code needs to be greatly revised or scrapped. Everyone I’ve talked with for years favors either a uniform flat tax or reasonable sales tax - INSTEAD OF federal income tax with all its complexities and loopholes.
Seems very ambitious to think such a radical change like that could pass through this very divided congress and senate.
I’m not saying in the totality it’s not fair-er, or a better mouse trap, but I got my doubts that something so different and such a big change won’t be pooh-poohed to oblivion causing one of two things to happen. The plan will poof, disappear once Cain is elected, assuming. OR it’s just a talking point for a political campaign but hey, I think it’s a talking point worth...eh, talking about.
Gets that 35% tax versus 9% out there and makes people aware of just how much these millionaires, billionaires and corporate jet owners are paying in terms of tax percentages.
I just thought of another accidental good side effect of having Cain be one of the top two Republican candidates.
The bleeping Republican Establishment will need to do all they can to suppress Cain because he is NOT one of their stooges.
One of the bad things the Establishment does is have our primaries “open” to independents and they do it so that their favorite “moderates” (leftists) have the advantage of independent votes. How did we get McCain after all?
Assuming that Obama isn’t challenged in the primary or hasn’t resigned by then, black voters would be free to vote in ours. Usually that would be good for the Establishment because they would pick the most far left candidate we field. But what if a large number of them voted race...
We might just get closed primaries most places and WE (black, white, brown, yellow REPUBLICANS) could pick OUR candidate.
I think I just hear CNN’s F’reak Zacaria say about Obama’s ‘Pass this bill’, a “gimmicky and inadequate plan to fund it”. This should get interesting if he elaborates on it.
So I write a column for The Morton Report, on competetive reality TV. The X Factor is now the latest and greatest and as part of my position as scribe to the swanky on this site I get to participate in a conference call with Simon Cowell.
Now I’m a bit too new and cowardly to have asked any questions at the time because it was all I could do as an old dog with a new trick to get onto the conference call, plug in my number, respond as to “who” I represent which left me so flummoxed I almost said, you should smile, FreeRepublic. I did say “The Morton Report” and they actually heard of me so there’s a hoot.
Below, between the dashed lines, Simon Cowell’s response to the question as to just what was the difference between finalists who will make it on The X Factor versus finalists on, just throwing it out there, American Idol. Copied and pasted directly from the transcript of this conference call so you know I’m not making it up.
So Simon laments that too many finalists on AI got there more for popularity than talent and I must suppose there’s some truth to this.
Anyway, more of the Simon Cowel X Factor finalist criteria....
S. Daily If I were to ask you what it would take to make The X Factor work I’m sure you would tell me a great amount of talent and good singing. But since this is a television program and we’re here to entertain people as well how important are the backstories that the contestants are going to share to the success of making this a successful television show?
S. Cowell Personally I think they’re crucial, because I get to meet the contestants for the first time when they audition and we have no background information on them at all, which I don’t want to know. And if they’re interesting to me when I’m asking them questions then I think they’re going to be interesting to people who watch the show.
Normally when I ask them what’s the most interesting thing that’s happened in your life and they start droning on about singing at the age of three or four I’m honestly not interested. I expect all of them to say that they wanted to be a singer; that’s obvious. I really am interested in their backstories; if they got divorced why did they get divorced, if they’re married are they happy being married, if they’ve left college how do their parents feel about them leaving college to pursue a music career. So really obviously number one on the list is talent, but number two is you really, really have to be an interesting person and have a very good backstory.
Further, I don’t know if any of you saw the show and I did, of course, do a review on it, link below.
http://www.themortonreport.com/entertainment/television/three-big-red-xs-for-the-x-factor/
But you don’t have to read my review, just let me offer that they had this single mother on there, dear Lord, it was boo-hoos all over the place, she had two children to whose father she was not married. She had singing talent but you’ll just have to take my word on it, she sang an Aretha song and she screeched half of it.
She probably deserved to go on, I grant, but those judges practically kissed her feet and damn, she wasn’t that good.
Another contender had been a drug addict, drug free on the night of his audition, for....get this...SEVENTY DAYS!
Seventy days drug free and they think this guy should get in line for a five million dollar prize? AND...hold on...he also wasn’t all that talented. He was okay but bear in mind this is Simon Cowell we speak of, the fellow who was considered the toughest and the meannest but give him a sob story and all of a sudden you’re sent on to win the grand prize.
There was another 12 year old, again, good voice. She told some sob story about how she lives in a little house with her family, only two bedrooms....what does this have to do with anything?
Anyway, the writers at The Morton Report are so liberal and I’m doing my darndest to not talk politics though they all irk me to no end. I got into a big brouhaha with another writer who does nothing but write columns about stupid things Michelle Bachmann says and in ire one day I responded, on the private journolist if you will, that she ought to pay attention to the liar in chief and the stupid stuff he says. I then listed a lot of stupid things he said as I was in the throes of a rant.
Man I got a whipping from the Morton Site owner for daring to talk bad about our president...well there’s more to it than that....and not all bad.
turned out that the site owners want me to write a political column what with the election and I said I’d think about it.
See....it’s how life works folks. Because while the other writers might be liberals....stand up and cheer right here...
I’M THE ONE BRINGING IN THE HITS!!!!!
Heh.
Yeah, me the conservative boob. I put up a post and I get hits in the thousands, I don’t know why. I like it though and they can’t beat me up too much because in the end, power is about who benefits who.
The review I wrote about X Factor went on a rant about just that, this reverence of single mothers who could, as I threw it out there, GET MARRIED or NOT GET PREGNANT!
That post went up and stayed in the top ten posts for three straight days.
Still, the X Factor, where even talent becomes an experiment in socialism. Consider this a heads up.
Oh, I'm sure he's hoping for a big turnover from RATs and RINOs to TEApublicans in Congress. If the public elects him on that platform, they will give him one post haste.
I got my doubts that something so different and such a big change won’t be pooh-poohed to oblivion
Oh, you can take that to the bank. The RATagandists will be all over him.
Gets that 35% tax versus 9% out there and makes people aware of just how much these millionaires, billionaires and corporate jet owners are paying in terms of tax percentages.
Well, it absolutely tell entrepreneurs to have businesses instantly spring up, or relocate to the US, and bring millions of jobs to the people. This would give the US one of, if not THE lowest corporate taxes in the world. And after all, businesses don't pay that tax, you do, as it is built into the cost of their products.
Hopefully somebody will dare state that if you can think well, speak well, and move your arms, you probably could and should be doing something productive as a form of paid or volunteer employment.
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