Posted on 07/05/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by freebird5850
Morning all, didn't see a thread for today so I created one.
Xanax = Zanny the Nanny
“Woman wants to go out partying, can’t get anybody to babysit, goes out anyway, places baby in trunk, ties baby up and duct tapes baby’s mouth shut so nobody hears the ruckus in the trunk while Mom is inside the Club partying”
I would add: Has been doing this for two years with approval of clueless enabling grandparents.
Baby getting old enough to say “Mommy gave me medicine and put me in the trunk.”
Baby must be silenced forever.
“the beautiful life...with Bestial Betty, my cellmate”
I see Casey’s pathology pretty reflective of our culture today. I buy into the suggestion of a faith column I read that we are in an era of “cultural narcissism”. Regretfully, we are all affected by it. Religious practices, churches, our schools, from tots to PHD’s have been subverted to the feel good experiences, esteem, basically, the “I’m okay, you’re okay” philosophy of the 60’s.
To the point of Casey, a circumstantial case looks like to me a “reasonable doubt” situation every time, so I don’t believe she will get the ultimate penalty. It looks like felony murder (death by abusive act)to me is the answer, if you believe the chloroform was used. But this could be a hung jury and cause for a new trial. Can you believe it? !!! In any case, phase two is the supreme court. The verdict seems to be only the beginning of the next phase(s).
Mr. Miller and his group are well respected and you could tell that he was just sick over the fact that their time was wasted due to no cooperation from Casey and the fact that they put searches for others who had missing loved ones on hold to look for this little girl.
You’ll have to watch for the part where JB points a finger at Mr. Aston and says something like, “or are you going to believe that laughing man right there!” Then Asthon yells objection and while he’s still talking the judge says sustained and come to the sidebar. Fireworks!
Aston=Ashton
LOL! Yep- and I have the $5 black forest ham every couple of weeks.
I saw that - the look on Tim Miller’s face told it all! For a man to devote his life to helping find missing people - knowing every single day is so sad and stressful - to realize you were wasting your time, energy and resources like that had to be so maddening!
Prolly both of you are right; makes it intentional instead of recklessly, rottenly, negligent. Guess I don’t want to think any human can be THAT evil.
In my opinion, she’s likely a sociopath who uses people and manipulates situations to suit her. Though her parents appears dysfunctional I think it is a function of trying to deal with a daughter who is deeply flawed. Perhaps they were supporting her and then at some point insisted that she get a job. The pregnancy might have been intentional so as to keep them “on the hook”. Once the baby was of little or no use she was gone. She didn’t need Mom & Dad any longer as she had the new boyfriend.
I see people living in a fantasy world everyday on Facebook.
Every search is important to him. Mr. Miller started Texas Equisearch after his own daughter went missing and was eventually found in an area around here that became known as the killing field. Several young women's remains were found there over a period of years and no one has ever been charged with the killings.
Thanks. I suspected as much but hadn’t heard the testimony.
Honestly, I’d be ok with life without parole, but from what I saw, she would get life with the possibility of parole, which to me is unacceptable.
I think that life in prison may be worse than death for someone like her.
The term “reasonable doubt” is a tricky one though. It does not mean “beyond any doubt”. I believe she did it, I definitely do not believe that George did it.
Aside from all the circumstantial evidence, the fact that she didn’t take the stand and say she didn’t kill her daughter speaks volumes to me. I know a juror isn’t supposed to consider that, but screw that.
If someone accused me of killing my child, and I didn’t do it, they would have to physically bind my mouth in order to prevent me from declaring my innocence at my trial throughout the length of my trial.
If I am to be put to death, then the people deciding such will hear those words from me come Hell or high water. I simply do not care if the prosecution makes me look like a fool, or a liar, or anything else. Being that I am innocent, I will declare such in open court without fear of consequence.
She is not innocent.
I think social pathology and promiscuity go together.
Based on that it could easily have been an accident that she tried to cover up. Perhaps the jury will struggle with the premeditation piece.
I have to take a nap. Putting hubby on verdict watch while I do. Will bbl Verdict today I hope
I realize all children develop at different rates, but my daughter was speaking in paragraphs at age 3! Not baby words, not two or three words - the girl could talk!
My son, not so much.... ;^)
I have the same question on Casey’s upkeep. She lied about having a job for two years at Universal? Astounding. There must be more to the numerous stolen checks from the mother, the SS of the grandfather in the nursing home, and at least one stolen from a girl friend.
I am with you on Wendy Murphy. I heard that, when she said that both sides suppress what they don’t want to deal with. That penetrated. I just can’t imagine that, especially in the death of such an innocent toddler. I understand attorneys have to have a victory at all costs because their careers are measured by it. But, really?
There are videos of Caylee saying Mommy and Daddy (if I heard it clearly). I’ve wondered who she thought Daddy was. Probably poor George.
Circumstantial has come to mean ‘unsubstantial’ in many people's minds, and that is a bad thing.
MOST evidence in EVERY case is circumstantial. People rarely commit crimes in full daylight in front of witnesses.
Based on that it could easily have been an accident that she tried to cover up. Perhaps the jury will struggle with the premeditation piece.
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Just discussed this with my husband (attorney). If a reasonable person would expect that their actions could/would cause death (like drugging and duct taping the mouth) then even if the intent wasn’t death, it would still be premeditation according to the law.
So, by that standard, casey’s actions are premeditation to murder.
My question about Zanny the Nanny is this:
Did Casey use the Xanex on Caylee the entire time she was supposed to be working? Not daily, but on those occasions she had something she wanted to do and didn’t want to be bothered with Caylee? I was under the impression she told her parents she was taking her to the babysitter who was called Zanny.
Or did she come up with this Zanny during the 31 days?
She was employed by a theme park before Caylee was born and then she claimed she went back after her maternity leave. Did she drug Caylee with Xanex for those two years?
According to the Judge’s instructions, an accidental death that occurs during the commission of an act of child abuse is the same as premiditated murder — a death penalty crime.
But, the computer searches on how to make chloroform occurred 3 months before Caylee’s disappearance. Definitely premeditated.
I looked at the time line at the link posted above — somethingrose. According to that, Casey’s personal laptop had been wiped clean of anything before June 15th. I remember reading that Lee’s computer was also confiscated by the cops.
My understanding of computers is that you can never “wiipe them clean” of anything without removing the hard drive and smashing it with a hammer. I wonder how hard the police tried to pull up the missing info from Casey’s personal computer?
Knowing now how often folks lie under oath, I think the circumstantial evidence holds more weight.
Actually, I couldn’t listen to all the defense close, at least for now. JB is too painful to listen to. I did see the laughing man bit (I saw that earlier today, it’s posted on youtube).
I’ve gone on to the prosecution rebuttal and I love this line (referring to the defence claim that the duct tape was placed on the child’s face after she was already dead, from “drowning”):
“People don’t make accidents look like murder. That’s absurd!”
Cindy is the ultimate “control freak”. She is smart, gainfully employed, rigid and proper, perhaps to a fault, (recall she never took Casey to a GYN util she was 19) and Cindy was demanding. What’s not right with that picture? Cindy out performed her daughter, probably her husband too, and was the provider with power over the household, and Casey and Calee. The resentment for these circumstances was screaming from Casey and the incessant desire to escape and party. Add to that Casey’s clinical narcissism and you have a storm coming. Calee paid the price how ever it was horribly done.
I agree with you that Cindy wants to control the outcome, as usual, and spare herself the realization that she is the mother of a “monster” and is dealing with how stupid she was to believe so much fantasy from Casey for so long. Can’t get over that Casey said for two years, she had a job at Universal. Never happened.
My daughter said hardly anything at all until around 18 months then it was full sentences! The boys were closer to 24 months before they began to speak more than a word or two. There seems to be a difference between boys and girls.
I agree with every word you said. To the “T”. Especially your second paragraph.
Not even a special smoke break.
OH Yeah, they are as serious as a heart attack. GREAT.
I agree with your #165. I too would declare my innocence, no matter what “the rules of the game” are.
There must be more to the numerous stolen checks from the motherOne of the local TV stations got the transcript from one of the sidebars, and Ashton warned Biaz that the prosecution had hundreds of Cindy's checks that Casey had forged, and that if Casey took the stand, they could and would bring that into the trial.
Apparently, that was part of the reason they decided not to have Casey testify.
I think what happened was that Casey looked up chloroform to learn how she could drug her daughter to go out partying
She would dope her up and let her sleep in the truck, while mommy was out partying.
A little too much and she’s dead- didn’t mean to kill her, but it’s still felony murder
So... do what she always does- lie and put off the inevitable
Remember hwo she keept beggin her mom for “one more day” before calling the police?
That’s interesting, though it still might be a struggle for the jury to “work through”, so to speak. Maybe she did it before - drugging, duct tape over the mouth (not nose), etc. and her past experience leads her to believe the baby wouldn’t die. Of course, that would not negate your point about a reasonable person. A reasonable person could certainly expect that this would cause death.
Baby getting old enough to say “Mommy gave me medicine and put me in the trunk.”
Baby must be silenced forever.
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I know you don’t need a motive. But that is EXACTLY why I think Caylee had to be eliminated.
And yes, there is often a difference in girls and boys in verbalization (my husband says girls never stop talking once they start!)
Didn’t Murphy say something about “mob hit”, or “mob influence” during that diatribe on Geraldo? I can’t quite remember, but something put that visual in my head.
I’m with you on your gut feeling that it is a terrible thing to think about them suppressing ANY evidence in a case like this.
But, of course Cindy has been proven to be almost as big a liar as Casey. There is someting on that ...rose... website that references Cindy saying that the DA is up for re-election, needs a big case, etc.
True! Although, if you’ve ever watched the Law & Order UK version, they solve EVERY case with video! lol They must have a camera on every single street from every angle!
The area was flooded. As we found out from Kronk. She was in a low area.
Tim said that they had already lost an ATV. He didn’t want to :
1) have any of the searchers injured
2) take the chance of running over the body and destroying evidence.
Plus Georges friend told him that George thought the answer was in that room (CASEY’s). And as we know she wasn’t talking. Well she was talking, but it was all lies.
Toxicology testing never revealed any drugs
A reasonable person could certainly expect that this would cause death.
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Exactly. Which is also why the defense played the not competent card again last week. By the fact she is competent to stand trial, she must therefore be competent to know that her actions could have caused death.
And I agree, that she probably did it before (at least the drugging) and nothing happened so she kept doing it.
I remember hearing about a case several years ago, where a woman went on a date to a drive in movie and put her kids in the trunk of the car (with snacks) while she was on her date and they suffocated. She got murder one.
” .....Ashton warned Biaz that the prosecution had hundreds of Cindy’s checks that Casey had forged, and that if Casey took the stand, they could and would bring that into the trial.” ====
That must explain it. But that is certainly a lot of money for Cindy not to know about. Cindy must have kept Casey in style to a large extent. Pride thing with Cindy.
They have to draw the line in some things that really make no difference. The State couldn’t bring in all of the theft by Casey, even from Amy during those 31 days! That was prejudicial - so the defense got a break there. Something as simple as a photo of Caylee with a “I love my Mommy” statement printed on it would be prejudical. So just using that term doesn’t automatically mean something like porn.
I can’t say that I recall all the outrageous scenarios and implications Murphy regirgitated. She did allude to child pornography also, but she is such a broad flame thrower I didn’t internalize all that she said but for the attorney suppression business, which I have to believe she largely distorted and enlarged. Wendy may be windy.
I could envision Cindy asking Caylee about her play day with Zanny, or any of the many non existent folks and caylee saying “who?”
Tim Miller, Texas Equusearch, will be on Fox News shortly.
Me too..civil trial...only 6 jurors...2 day trial..we got the case at 11AM on the 3rd day....went into the jury room..were all agreed to vote for the defendant..but three ladies wanted their lunch...so we waited until after lunch..gawd..
I can pretty much guess why the jury hasn’t come back convicting the sociopathic freak yet..juror #4 and juror #5(The Miss I refuse to judge anyone juror) I bet those two jurors are holding up the entire jury
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