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Nebraska Birther Bill May Be DOA
Nebraska State Paper ^ | 3/11/11

Posted on 03/11/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by jamese777

The birther bill is probably dead for 2011.

Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial presented his version Thursday of a bill that would require a presidential candidate to prove he or she is “a natural born citizen” of the United States.

The Government, Military and Veterans Affairs Committee is unlikely to advance the proposal (LB654) which goes even further than those introduced in 11 other states this year.

(Excerpt) Read more at nebraska.statepaper.com ...


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KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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1 posted on 03/11/2011 4:27:32 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
I have to wonder why someone would vote against having any prez candidate show proof of eligibility. Seems that it should have always been that way.
2 posted on 03/11/2011 4:37:12 PM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: MPJackal

If they kill it then it is totally disgusting. Can’t at least one of the 57 states pass one of these bills? Sick. Polie state and slimy country.


3 posted on 03/11/2011 4:38:41 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: MPJackal
I have to wonder why someone would vote against having any prez candidate show proof of eligibility. Seems that it should have always been that way.

Little Jameeeeseeee7777, they guy who posted this thread, would vote against presidential eligibility laws with glee.

4 posted on 03/11/2011 4:41:42 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

What in hell are they afraid of?


5 posted on 03/11/2011 4:51:02 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MPJackal

I’ve e-mailed the committee members thanking them for the chance to testify at the hearing and asking whether the vote has been taken yet. I asked them to let me know how they voted and why. Should be interesting to see what they have to say.

My description of the hearing is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/committee-hearing-for-nebraska-lb-654/

The next step in this process is to network to find people who would be willing to collect signatures all over the state for a ballot initiative something like this:

“Any registered Nebraska voter shall have legal standing to challenge in expedited state court proceedings the legal eligibility of any candidate on the Nebraska ballot, provided that the legal challenge is filed before the beginning of the term of office the candidate is seeking through placement on that ballot.”

What the courts and now the legislature are saying is that it is none of our business whether the Constitution and laws are followed. If it’s not our business then why do we even vote? That whole idea that we should give the government our money and then go away, shut up, and let them do whatever they darn well please is against everything this country and this form of government are all about.


6 posted on 03/11/2011 4:52:14 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: jamese777

This rag has has nothing going for it except Sam McKewon, a sports writer & since it’s distributed on the University these replies in this rag are from little sniveling students who think Big Ears is the greatest they are tearing this guy apart. IMO this was a state that should require the long form. This anti-American Muslim can’t produce. End of story.


7 posted on 03/11/2011 4:59:13 PM PST by newfrpr04 (Don)
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To: newfrpr04

Ah, that might explain why my comment there hasn’t been approved yet. Simply said:

The rest of the story: http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/committee-hearing-for-nebraska-lb-654/

I suppose that will be too offensive for them to print. lol.

The Daily Nebraskan wouldn’t print a concise, factual summary when they had an inaccurate article about this issue.

And the Lincoln Journal Star said they sent me a registration confirmation e-mail so I could post and it didn’t arrive in my inbox until about 8 hours later. Of course, that could be because my e-mails are being sorted through and some of them snatched away before my very eyes...


8 posted on 03/11/2011 5:05:24 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Got an e-mail saying it was approved but it’s not on that page when I refresh it. I guess we’ll see.


9 posted on 03/11/2011 5:10:06 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Don Corleone
What in hell are they afraid of?

The "honor" of 4 incontinent counties, apparently.


10 posted on 03/11/2011 5:10:22 PM PST by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (Incidentally, one can get beaten up in school simply by referring to oneself as one.)
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To: Frantzie
If they kill it then it is totally disgusting. Can’t at least one of the 57 states pass one of these bills? Sick. Polie state and slimy country.

I thought for sure that Arizona would pass it, but from what I saw last week it is dead there too. 0bamao is pulling out all the stops -

11 posted on 03/11/2011 5:21:08 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: butterdezillion
Got an e-mail saying it was approved but it’s not on that page when I refresh it. I guess we’ll see.

Good news for once. Lets hope it's true, and that it backfires on the little OBot thread poster who celebrated with glee after reading the article's headline.

12 posted on 03/11/2011 6:16:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777
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13 posted on 03/11/2011 6:34:25 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Red Steel

I THOUGHT I recognized the troll!

Thanks, Red Steel!


14 posted on 03/11/2011 7:32:56 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: butterdezillion

butterdezillion, I don’t know how you keep your sanity.
I appreciate all the research you have done.

The time has PASSED to abide by the law...our GOVERNMENT doesn’t even do it.

I suggest removing the tax payer funded “entitlement” to Viagra for WELFARE recipients in New York, and giving it to our congresscritters...........

THEY NEED IT. (EXCEPT Michelle Bachmann.)


15 posted on 03/11/2011 7:41:35 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: bushpilot1

16 posted on 03/11/2011 7:46:42 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Red Steel

Good news for once. Lets hope it’s true, and that it backfires on the little OBot thread poster who celebrated with glee after reading the article’s headline.


Here’s a link to the Associated Press coverage of the Nebraska bill:
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/d43749240cae49e2bdb943c140471591/NE-XGR—Birth-Certificate/


17 posted on 03/11/2011 8:13:56 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel

Good news for once. Lets hope it’s true, and that it backfires on the little OBot thread poster who celebrated with glee after reading the article’s headline.


Here’s a link to the Associated Press coverage of the Nebraska bill:
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/d43749240cae49e2bdb943c140471591/NE-XGR—Birth-Certificate/


18 posted on 03/11/2011 8:14:00 PM PST by jamese777
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To: butterdezillion

I just read your blog and you gave excellent testimony Butter. Well measured and the right tone. :-)

A statewide petition would be a good idea. In Colorado, for a statutory initiative, “the number of valid signatures required for a successful petition effort is equal to 5% of the total number of votes cast for the office of Secretary of State in the preceding general election. The number of signatures required is the same for constitutional amendments, statutes, and referenda. “

I see that the total votes casted was 317,083 in 2010 for the office of Secretary of State. So 5% of 317,083 of the votes casted is a little over 15,000 signatures needed.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Colorado_signature_requirements

Lets see what’s required for Kansas...


19 posted on 03/11/2011 8:20:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Tex-Con-Man

My NEW favorite photo!


20 posted on 03/11/2011 8:21:40 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777

OBot, all we need is one punch to land as in one state to pass an eligibility bill that would result in an Obama knockout for 2012.


21 posted on 03/11/2011 8:23:46 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Little Jameeeeseeee7777, they guy who posted this thread, would vote against presidential eligibility laws with glee.


Nah, I have no problem at all with states having presidential eligiblity laws.
I know that the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution will prevail and any official proof of birth that any state authorizes will be accepted by every other state or the District of Columbia and that would include the state of Hawaii’s Certificate of Live Birth. I know that any eligibility law that passes and is signed into law by a governor will pass constitutional muster.

I would hate for the conservative presidential candidate with the best chance of defeating Barack Hussein Obama II in 2012 to be a person who happened to be born in a state that has a current Democratic governor who might refuse to issue a long form birth certificate to that candidate; which could keep him or her off the ballot in some states.
Whatever a state says is an official record of birth will work in every other state.

Article Four/Section One would make the above impossible.


22 posted on 03/11/2011 8:32:10 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Nah, I have no problem at all with states having presidential eligiblity laws.

Nah we don't believe you BOt.

A case in point by arguing this BS.

I know that the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution will prevail and any official proof of birth that any state authorizes will be accepted by every other state or the District of Columbia

You or any other leftist BOTs would not have any standing to sue in a court of law unless you are the candidate who was denied to be put on a presidential state ballot.

23 posted on 03/11/2011 8:41:05 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

OBot, all we need is one punch to land as in one state to pass an eligibility bill that would result in an Obama knockout for 2012.


But Obama won 365 Electoral College votes from winning in only 27 states plus the District of Columbia. McCain won 24 states.

Please explain how only one state could make such a huge difference in the Electoral College outcome?

Wouldn’t you need for Obama to not be on the ballot in some states that might actually go for Obama?


24 posted on 03/11/2011 8:44:44 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Mortrey

Somebody on my blog is trying to say that I haven’t kept my sanity. lol.

I think Soros knew what he was doing when he threatened the media companies. It was a bold move, set all his chips on the table right then and there, letting everybody know it was a fight to the death. Soros rules like his buddies the Islamists, and nobody strayed from the script for fear of what he’d do.

I think there are people who may have courage, but it takes a different kind of skill and courage to fight when there’s a gun held to the head of your wife and kids. I think that’s where America is at.


25 posted on 03/11/2011 8:44:44 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Red Steel

Thank you. There’s so much that could be said and so little time. I was glad they asked good questions.

Turns out the AP jumped the gun. I contacted my senator and asked if they had voted yet and he said they would probably vote on it next Wednesday. So there is still time to urge these senators to do what’s right. And pray.

If God can speak through the mouth of a donkey.... lol

I was just praying I wouldn’t botch things too badly, and I think the prayers of people who knew I was going to be there did make a difference.

I had looked up the numbers for Nebraska and now I’ve forgotten what they were. I’ll have to look again. The signatures have to be so many from each county too, so it’s not something I could just do where I’m at; we’d need people to go all over the state.


26 posted on 03/11/2011 8:51:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: jamese777

There seems to be something strange going on if a Government and VETERANS Affair committee bottles this up.


27 posted on 03/11/2011 8:53:31 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Red Steel

“Nah we don’t believe you BOt.
A case in point by arguing this BS.”


I could care less what you believe

“You or any other leftist BOTs would not have any standing to sue in a court of law unless you are the candidate who was denied to be put on a presidential state ballot.”

The legal entity that SHOULD have challenged Barack Obama’s eligibility in court and that WOULD have legal standing to sue him is the Republican National Committee.

The legal entities that WILL sue and WILL have legal standing to sue are the Democratic Party of any state that passes an eligiblity law, as well as the Democratic National Committee and the Obama Administration Justice Department.


28 posted on 03/11/2011 8:56:46 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
I would hate for the conservative presidential candidate with the best chance of defeating Barack Hussein Obama II in 2012 to be a person who happened to be born in a state that has a current Democratic governor who might refuse to issue a long form birth certificate to that candidate; which could keep him or her off the ballot in some states. Whatever a state says is an official record of birth will work in every other state.

The lastest BS spin you are being feed. LoL.

Don't worry Troll-BOt, that is not going to happen anytime soon. Because any real conservative would be happy to show his birth certificate in court (as he likely has one or two on file) or to any state, or sign any document stating he has 2 citizen parents so to be placed on a state ballot.

And if he would be denied by some hair-brained liberal Demo Gov after providing legitimate credentials and bonafides, or some home state dingbat, libural Gov - LOL again! - refused to provide him any of his personal records, he would easily sue and win in court because he would have standing. And any denial of records for a would be conservative presidential candidate by a liburuul Dingbat gov, duh Gov would get slam dunked in the world of public opinion.

You sure dream up some nonsensical BS.

29 posted on 03/11/2011 8:59:33 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

From my booklet:

(Argument): “Full Faith and Credit/Short-Form is Good Enough for Passport Office.” Others say that if a COLB is good enough to get a passport it should be good enough for anything, and that not accepting another state’s COLB at face value is a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

That’s not what the Dept of Health and Human Services Inspector General said in a 1999 report (19) on birth certificate fraud. That report specifically recommends that states NOT take any single document at face value because it is so easy to get authentic documents from fraudulent documents – especially since half of the state registrars reported that someone in their system had been caught falsifying records. Each state is allowed to decide what kind of evidence it requires for specific claims and is strongly encouraged to always require more than one form of proof for claims, as well as implementing means to detect fraudulent documents.

An expert in electronic document fraud adds (20)that fraud is so very much easier to accomplish now that records are stored electronically, and can be manipulated remotely by hackers – in which case what is printed out electronically would seem legitimate to anybody looking at it. The only way to know the fraud that had happened would be by looking at the detailed history of the record, the embedded transaction log for the electronic record. It’s harder to fake an original long-form than an electronic record, because a fake paper record involves physically replacing the record in the Vital Records Office, whereas an electronic record can be altered remotely and leave no signs of tampering.

It is known that the passport records of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were all illegally accessed (21) in early 2008 – Obama’s 3 separate times. Several investigations of the breaches have been done (internal DOS investigation mentioned here (22) and OIG report here (23)), but according to the descriptions none of them seemed to involve checking to see whether those passport files had been altered. All were concerned about the security of the system and how the breach happened or internal disciplinary issues, not the potential result of the breaches.

Imagine that the only birth or citizenship record for Obama was in his passport file, and that file had been accessed by “birthers” who changed his record to say he was born in Indonesia. Checking the genuineness of records that could be compromised is a necessary protection for everyone – especially in a politically-charged climate where the stakes are high and opponents abundant.


30 posted on 03/11/2011 9:03:37 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: jamese777

Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :

(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.

First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.

Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.

Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .


31 posted on 03/11/2011 9:08:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: jamese777
I could care less what you believe

Virtually everyone here don't care what you believe toad. I'm sure they would like to see your butt get tossed by Zotting.

The legal entity that SHOULD have challenged Barack Obama’s eligibility in court and that WOULD have legal standing to sue him is the Republican National Committee.

Hello dingbat you're not making any sense as usual. LoL.

The legal entities that WILL sue and WILL have legal standing to sue are the Democratic Party of any state that passes an eligiblity law, as well as the Democratic National Committee and the Obama Administration Justice Department.

So the Demo party or the Obama Justice Dept could be refused to be placed on a state presidential ballot sport because of a would be state eligibility law? I didn't know a political party was a human entity or a Federal bureaucratic department could run as a president let alone to be place on a state presidential ballot. LoLoL!! You're are a dingbat.

32 posted on 03/11/2011 9:13:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: noinfringers2

I was hoping the reference to Lt Col Lakin giving up most likely at least $3 million worth in savings, salary, benefits, and retirement benefits, as well as having his reputation trashed and being in jail for 6 months ,,, would not be lost on them. This is what this man’s oath to protect and defend the US Constitution meant to him.

To his Commander-in-Chief it was not worth 2 minutes of his time to authorize the release of documents he claimed to have already disclosed, in order to allow Lakin to serve in good conscience.

One of the senators asked me about Nebraska having to foot the bill to defend the law in a legal challenge, and I mentioned that I didn’t think our vets should have to spend $3 million of their own personal money to do what the government should take care of procedurally anyway.

I hope the name of their committee was on their mind as I said that.


33 posted on 03/11/2011 9:16:07 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Red Steel; patlin

The judge in the Haw Haw case ruled..”Joyce claimed British citizenship”

Joyce was born in the US.

Obama claimed British citizenship..it is on his website.

Both fathers British subjects.

This means both were not born subject to the jurisdiction.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=SuUdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OE4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=5038,713432&dq=born+subject+to+jurisdiction&hl=en


34 posted on 03/11/2011 9:20:18 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Red Steel

Virtually everyone here don’t care what you believe toad. I’m sure they would like to see your butt get tossed by Zotting.
Hello dingbat you’re not making any sense as usual. LoL.
So the Demo party or the Obama Justice Dept could be refused to be placed on a state presidential ballot sport because of a would be state eligibility law? I didn’t know a political party was a human entity or a Federal bureaucratic department could run as a president let alone to be place on a state presidential ballot. LoLoL!! You’re are a dingbat.


Well, time will tell. We’ll all just have to wait and see if any presidential eligibility bill is passed in any state and signed into law by any Governor. Then we’ll have to see who sues, if anyone and if any lawsuit is granted standing by a judge.


35 posted on 03/11/2011 9:34:07 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel

The lastest BS spin you are being feed. LoL.

Don’t worry Troll-BOt, that is not going to happen anytime soon. Because any real conservative would be happy to show his birth certificate in court (as he likely has one or two on file) or to any state, or sign any document stating he has 2 citizen parents so to be placed on a state ballot.

And if he would be denied by some hair-brained liberal Demo Gov after providing legitimate credentials and bonafides, or some home state dingbat, libural Gov - LOL again! - refused to provide him any of his personal records, he would easily sue and win in court because he would have standing. And any denial of records for a would be conservative presidential candidate by a liburuul Dingbat gov, duh Gov would get slam dunked in the world of public opinion.

You sure dream up some nonsensical BS.


That’s very interesting. So these laws will allow an unauthenticated long form to be used?

I’m sure that if Barack Obama needs a long form to get on a state ballot, his former honorary Hawaii campaign manager who is now the Governor will be happy to have his administration in Hawaii print one up for Barry.


36 posted on 03/11/2011 9:38:36 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
Please explain how only one state could make such a huge difference in the Electoral College outcome?

If one state passes one of those Obama is not eligibility ballot laws - what is Obama going to do? He has 4 choices: bypass the state or cross the RubiCON and come up with a real birth certificate, which we know he does not have, or pass off a forgery (a high risk adventure) or not run for a 2nd term. If Obama bypasses by not running in that state, the media will be forced to ask how come? The conclusion would be obvious. Poor widdle Obama, even for the Obama media, that he does not have the bonifides to pass the state ballot eligibility law and is therefore not qualified to be president.

Wouldn’t you need for Obama to not be on the ballot in some states that might actually go for Obama?

Nope. It would become crystal clear that your Oboma would be crap in the wind even for the most obtuse independent voters that Obama lied to the country. He would lose big time. And if one punch does land in a pres. state eligibility law, other states would soon follow. It would be monkey see monkey do. Other states watch what other states legislatively do and usually follow suit. Obama would be bypassing a few other states - hence Obama is toast.

37 posted on 03/11/2011 9:39:37 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion

Also from my booklet, which might be good for you to just read altogether. It’s at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/why-lb-654-is-needed-revised1.pdf :

(Argument:) Unavailability of long-form birth certificates. Some say there are states which don’t disclose long-form birth certificates.

First off, this bill provides alternative forms of documentation for that situation, if it arises.

Secondly, the claims that no long-forms are available are largely hype. For instance, in October of 2008 the Hawaii DOH claimed that they no longer disclose long-form birth certificates but there is video (17) of a woman at the HDOH office in the summer of 2010 ordering a certified copy of a long-form BC and being told that she would receive it in 2 weeks. All the HDOH claims amount to is the fact that unless you request a long-form the default is to get a COLB. Common knowledge to everybody in Hawaii, but
nobody in the media bothered to report it; it only surfaced because of diligent BLOGGERS, who are steadfastly ridiculed by the so-called “credible” media.

Thirdly, even in electronic form, the data is stored and can be put to paper. The CDC has a model birth certificate (18) which contains all the items from the old long-form birth certificates and more, and the states all have that model form or something basically equivalent, so they can report that information to the CDC. They collect and store that information. Whether the information is stored on paper or electronically, that information can be disclosed on paper and certified by Vital Records Office staff. At the federal level, FOIA and The Privacy Act allow individuals to get copies of their own records, and most states have similar provisions, so even if the records are not routinely issued, they can be accessed through FOIA/Privacy Act requests .


We’ll all have to wait and see if any state law passes and how any candidate responds to any law and with what documentation.


38 posted on 03/11/2011 9:40:50 PM PST by jamese777
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To: butterdezillion
I had looked up the numbers for Nebraska and now I’ve forgotten what they were. I’ll have to look again. The signatures have to be so many from each county too, so it’s not something I could just do where I’m at; we’d need people to go all over the state.

That's more complicated than Colorado. Most of Kansas is red so it looks like it can be done.

39 posted on 03/11/2011 9:44:01 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion

From my booklet:

(Argument): “Full Faith and Credit/Short-Form is Good Enough for Passport Office.” Others say that if a COLB is good enough to get a passport it should be good enough for anything, and that not accepting another state’s COLB at face value is a violation of the Full Faith and Credit Clause.

That’s not what the Dept of Health and Human Services Inspector General said in a 1999 report (19) on birth certificate fraud. That report specifically recommends that states NOT take any single document at face value because it is so easy to get authentic documents from fraudulent documents – especially since half of the state registrars reported that someone in their system had been caught falsifying records. Each state is allowed to decide what kind of evidence it requires for specific claims and is strongly encouraged to always require more than one form of proof for claims, as well as implementing means to detect fraudulent documents.

An expert in electronic document fraud adds (20)that fraud is so very much easier to accomplish now that records are stored electronically, and can be manipulated remotely by hackers – in which case what is printed out electronically would seem legitimate to anybody looking at it. The only way to know the fraud that had happened would be by looking at the detailed history of the record, the embedded transaction log for the electronic record. It’s harder to fake an original long-form than an electronic record, because a fake paper record involves physically replacing the record in the Vital Records Office, whereas an electronic record can be altered remotely and leave no signs of tampering.

It is known that the passport records of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama were all illegally accessed (21) in early 2008 – Obama’s 3 separate times. Several investigations of the breaches have been done (internal DOS investigation mentioned here (22) and OIG report here (23)), but according to the descriptions none of them seemed to involve checking to see whether those passport files had been altered. All were concerned about the security of the system and how the breach happened or internal disciplinary issues, not the potential result of the breaches.

Imagine that the only birth or citizenship record for Obama was in his passport file, and that file had been accessed by “birthers” who changed his record to say he was born in Indonesia. Checking the genuineness of records that could be compromised is a necessary protection for everyone – especially in a politically-charged climate where the stakes are high and opponents abundant.


My money is still placed on if there was any alteration of the Barack Hussein Obama II birth record, it was done at the request of Madeline and/or Stanley Dunham during the first week of August in 1961 through a bribe to a Hawaii Health Bureau records clerk or a clerk at Kapi’olani Hospital.


40 posted on 03/11/2011 9:44:28 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
That’s very interesting. So these laws will allow an unauthenticated long form to be used?

You have a twisted and illogical mind. Your conclusions are silly. It was you who dreamed up that some Liberal governor from a home state would or could refuse a conservative presidential candidate his birth certificate.

Speaking of unauthenticated. It is that Obama's Internet COLB that Hawaii has refused to authentic.

I’m sure that if Barack Obama needs a long form to get on a state ballot, his former honorary Hawaii campaign manager who is now the Governor will be happy to have his administration in Hawaii print one up for Barry.

Pot smoking Abercrombie couldn't find any long form birth certificate after running his mouth for over 2 years how he was going to get those "Birthers". I see you are hoping Hawaii state sponsors an Obama forgery.

41 posted on 03/11/2011 10:01:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: bushpilot1; patlin

“The judge in the Haw Haw case ruled..”Joyce claimed British citizenship”

Joyce was born in the US.

Obama claimed British citizenship..it is on his website.

Both fathers British subjects.

This means both were not born subject to the jurisdiction.”

Lord Haw Haw could have been tried for treason in the US too. Split allegiances.

Combine this case with Kawakita v. United States makes a powerful argument to the addition to the other encyclopaedia size amount of evidence that Obama cannot be a natural born citizen (only one state allegiance) in accordance with the US Constitution.

As I recall, Wong Kim Ark also was in violation of the Empire of China by accepting US citizenship where the punishment could have been death if China prosecuted him.

Split allegiances again can cause bad things to happen.


42 posted on 03/11/2011 10:11:30 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

To: jamese777
still waiting, jamese777

Please show us where Dr. Fukino’s statements have been used by every single judge.

173 posted on Wed Feb 23 2011 13:53:21 by Brown Deer


43 posted on 03/11/2011 11:19:18 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777; Red Steel; Fantasywriter; Brown Deer

jamese777: “Governor Lingle didn’t lie, at worst she misspoke..”

jamese777: “Dr. Fukino’s two media releases have been enough information for the courts”

jamese777: “I’m talking about scores of different local, state, and federal courts all across America. Do you really think that any attorney representing Obama or any other defendant in an Obama eligibility lawsuit wouldn’t submit Dr. Fukino’s two statements and a transcript of Governor Lingle’s radio interview with their legal briefs for judges when they are seeking dismissals of lawsuits?”

edge919: “Show us which attorney representing Obama has presented the two statements or a transcript of Lingle’s lie.”

jamese777: “I don’t have access to the briefs”

jamese777: “I’ll look through the defense briefs that have been scanned and put online and see what I can find for you.”

jamese777: “Still searching the scribd.com web site.”

Jamese where are the documents?


44 posted on 03/11/2011 11:35:39 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777

He (jamese777) has to be watched at all times, bushpilot. I’ve seen him corrected over and over on numerous propaganda points, and yet he will go right ahead and repost the same false claims in another thread a few days or weeks later.

Truth means nothing to him. He’s got a pro-0bama ax to grind [which he disguises under the rubric just stating the ‘facts’] and it doesn’t matter how many times he’s shown to be in error.

He just keeps on pushing to see how much misinformation he can get away with spreading.

He’ll no doubt modify his comments after being called on the Fukino/legal issue, but he won’t stop. He’ll just be more cunning and more disingenuous. I wish he’d get the zot. I don’t see the point in allowing someone to post, day after day, either outright lies or else information clearly designed to obfuscate the truth. True Freepers shouldn’t have to spend so much time countering the same old misinformation posted over and over again.

Alinsky:

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

The point of posting lies is to keep readers confused, and distracted from the main issue; topic dilution.

“Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding/misdirection, it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues.

“This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity.

” If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’

“In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. - It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’”

316 posted on Fri Mar 04 2011 04:19:07 GMT+0800 (China Standard Time) by LucyT


45 posted on 03/11/2011 11:41:05 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; jamese777
Jamese where are the documents?

Yeah Jamieeee, where are those documents? LoL.

And yoohoo little Jammee, we already have a potential presidential candidate who is willing to wave her real birth certificate in front of the public. What's Obama gonna do? Wave that forgery! LoL.

Rep. Michele Bachmann -

"I'll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table," she told radio personality Jeff Katz on Boston's Talk 1200 Radio Station."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2687541/posts

46 posted on 03/11/2011 11:52:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Considering that 0bama carried only 11 states (153 electoral votes) with at least 60% of the vote in the last election, and his approval rating has already dropped over 20 points since then, he doesn't have much of a chance next year.


47 posted on 03/12/2011 12:24:25 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jamese777; Brown Deer; Red Steel; Fantasywriter
jamese777: "In 2009 and early 2010 when I was researching a bunch of different Obama eligibility lawsuits, both the defense and plaintiffs briefs were available at scribd.com In the last few days I just searched using the search terms “obama” and “fukino” together and while I can find plaintiffs’ briefs, I still haven’t been able to locate any defense briefs still on the site." "But I’m still looking." Photobucket
48 posted on 03/12/2011 3:42:00 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; jamese777

Up until recently recently, Jamese, I assumed you must be a secular humanist. This is because, while proponents pretend it’s a warm and fuzzy belief system, they are in fact some of the meanest, most unpleasant and unhelpful people alive. They are big on forcing their beliefs on others, and they never rest in that effort. It’s pretty ugly to observe in action.

Now you say you are a Christian. Jamese, true Christians live by the Golden Rule. Yet on eligibility threads, from which you’ve been invited countless times to vacate the premises, all you do is snark and irritate people with (among other things) repetitious posts that added nothing to the discussion the first time you posted them, let alone the 10,000th time.

Iow, your actions [which speak louder than words] give no indication of Christ-like love and respect for others. I suppose you could be so immature as to imagine, were the positions reversed, you’d actually like having someone such as yourself harass you and even lie to you. Since moral equivalence is one of the most immature belief systems in the world, I suppose this is actually a very real possibility.

At any rate, it’s something to think about. If you’re going to drag Jesus’ Name into it, you might consider the results of your actions. Jesus didn’t spend countless hours annoying people. He did a lot of healing and feeding of the hungry—and He proclaimed the Good News of the Gospel. If He is your example, then more emulation of Him—and less emulation of the Devil’s Advocate—would behoove not only you but all concerned.

After all, in the judgment scene Jesus described, harassing your political opponents isn’t one of the commendable activities. Jesus said, ‘You fed Me when I was hungry; you visited Me in prison; you clothed Me when I was naked’, etc.

He didn’t say you, ‘You harassed Me day after day on a site specifically set up for ***conservatives***, when you knew for a fact you were no kind of conservative at all.’


49 posted on 03/12/2011 7:36:14 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Red Steel

Yeah Jamieeee, where are those documents? LoL.

And yoohoo little Jammee, we already have a potential presidential candidate who is willing to wave her real birth certificate in front of the public. What’s Obama gonna do? Wave that forgery! LoL.

Rep. Michele Bachmann -

“I’ll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table,” she told radio personality Jeff Katz on Boston’s Talk 1200 Radio Station.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2687541/posts


That’s nice, good for Michelle.
Here are a few “documents” for you, enjoy!

“President Obama posted a copy of his birth certificate on his former campaign website.”==Dr. Chiyome Fukino (Former) Director of Health, State of Hawaii
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf


“The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there, that’s good enough for me.,”—Representative John Boehner, Speaker of the House of Representatives
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/143737-boehner-on-birthers-its-not-my-job-to-tell-the-american-people-what-to-think

“[the President’s eligibility]“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all. It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Representative Eric Cantor, Republican Majority Leader, House of Representatives

“”I don’t[question the President’s faith or eligibility] and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”—[former]Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin

“A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional eligibility may be protected by the First Amendment. But a Court’s placement of it’s imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is friviolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court Judge Clay R. Land, Middle District of Georgia
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19809978/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-13-ORDER-denying-3-Motion-for-TRO-granting-8-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ordered-by-Judge-Clay-D-Land-on-09162009-CGC-Entered-0
(the statement quoted above is found at the bottom of page 13 and the top of page 14 of the Judge’s order.)


50 posted on 03/12/2011 9:39:43 AM PST by jamese777
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